ockers Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 https://cgi.ebay.com/NORTHERN-SOUL-The-Drif...1QQcmdZViewItem one already gone this week for £205 one last week for £127 the boot also went for $130 worth £200??? what about Ben Moore i got the winner in you or major lance dont you know that i love you..possibly better records??? dig them out now before they escalate too!!! any mor ehidden 70ss gems anyone? anyone know lois lee one night stand 7 on steady from 1972??
Pete S Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 That price for the Drifters really is berserk. £40 tops. Okay maybe £50.
Guest Bearsoul Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 SURE I'VE GOT AN ACETATE OF THIS....YEP..IT'S ON A 'SONY MUSIC STUDIOS' 12" .........ANY IDEAS OF VALUE??? CHRIS M
Tsu Tomatoes Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Is the Ben Moore on a 7"? I've only seen the LP. It's been played for a while at MonuMental - great record
ockers Posted March 17, 2006 Author Posted March 17, 2006 Is the Ben Moore on a 7"? I've only seen the LP. It's been played for a while at MonuMental - great record Ben Moore is lp only both in uk and also in us difffent title of album slow cancing on roadshow fantastic track and far superior to drifters
Guest Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 I'm a big Drifters fan. I remember the record as a new release. I never got one. It was a pretty weak release then and it's pretty weak now. Pleasant but nothing to write home about. A classic example of sheep paying large amounts for something because it's 'rare'.
Makemvinyl Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 agree pretty weak but at 50p off the market on demo pleased as punch still dont play it though leave that to the 7ts guys elsc Sat 18th wid me East Lincoln Soul Club March 18th See events
Guest Bearsoul Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 (edited) agree pretty weak but at 50p off the market on demo pleased as punch still dont play it though leave that to the 7ts guys elsc Sat 18th wid me East Lincoln Soul Club March 18th See events WOULD 70TS GUYS BE LIKE...GUYS IN THERE SEVENTIES ????????? IN WHICH CASE THEY'D BE PLAYING 'I'VE HAD IT' BY 'THE SEPTUAGENERIANS' ON EXIT RECORDS Edited March 17, 2006 by bearsoul
Guest Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Eight tracks, all cheap....or are they ? Are they good... or bad? You decide.
ockers Posted March 17, 2006 Author Posted March 17, 2006 I'm a big Drifters fan. I remember the record as a new release. I never got one. It was a pretty weak release then and it's pretty weak now. Pleasant but nothing to write home about. A classic example of sheep paying large amounts for something because it's 'rare'. i think youre being harsh and your last sentence is a little arrogant its a great little mover underrated underplayed and yes it is rare but so what?? its a great little record a shame there arent more copies ot go round perhaps some of the sheep who like it might just listen to your show on starpoint?
Guest Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Not supposed to be arrogant so apologies if that how it comes across. I just think the only reason people are paying that much money for it is beause it's perceived to be a rare record and not because its a good record. It's probably the least interesting 45 released with The Drifters name on it and at best is a weak Disco record that sounded tired and dated even when it was released. The group line up is unclear to me by this time but i beleive it was at the time when Johnny Moore, who had been singing lead with the group on most of the 'Bell' hits had somehow lost that right. Isn't it a Biddu production? He made much better records. There are PLENTY of UK released (and recorded) 45's that are as good if not better but no one is interested because they are more visible. It's the same with The Pioneers "My Good Friend James" which some got excited about- it's very avarage, was released twice but isn't that easy to find although I suspect there are a fair few lurking somewhere in piles of unwanted 70's reggae records. But the price went up because it was perceived to be 'rare'.
Codfromderby Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 https://cgi.ebay.com/NORTHERN-SOUL-The-Drif...1QQcmdZViewItem one already gone this week for £205 one last week for £127 the boot also went for $130 worth £200??? what about Ben Moore i got the winner in you or major lance dont you know that i love you..possibly better records??? dig them out now before they escalate too!!! any mor ehidden 70ss gems anyone? anyone know lois lee one night stand 7 on steady from 1972?? put a lois lee on ebay late last year, made a fiver :angry:
Guest Posted March 18, 2006 Posted March 18, 2006 This is from "The Metropolitan Soul" column in 'manifesto' magazine last May- "Tim Brown mentioned a Major Lance track, "Don't You Know I Love You" on Contempo 2045 which was earmarked for future inclusion here. I can't find my copy which means it was one that was lost in a move in the late 80's (dammit) but what is still here is this version... THE FABOULOUS ECHOES -DON'T YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU / IF YOU MOVE YOU LOSE - CONTEMPO C2 -7" This early 1973 release, the second ever on the label when it was Decca distributed, states that it was arranged and produced by Tom Tom Washington and Carl Davis, which of course makes it a Chicago recording. It's the instrumental backing track of the song which Tim mentioned but was released before that one. The flipside is another good instrumental and I suspect somewhere there's a vocal for this too. It's a nice instrumental anyway. As Major Lance was in the UK a lot at this time I think it might be safe to assume that his vocal was recorded here in the UK over the existing Chicago backing track. The first Contempo 45 was the Major's version of 'The Right Track' which after having a re-listen to today doesn't sound as bad as I remember it.
Soul-Brother Posted March 18, 2006 Posted March 18, 2006 Simon, Any chance of some titles and artists? lol..lazy so & so Barry
Bigsoulman Posted March 18, 2006 Posted March 18, 2006 I'm a big Drifters fan. I remember the record as a new release. I never got one. It was a pretty weak release then and it's pretty weak now. Pleasant but nothing to write home about. A classic example of sheep paying large amounts for something because it's 'rare'. Ditto, try Follow Me which I have on UK black Atlantic, now thats soul and cheap as well but try finding a copy now Lenny
Mark B Posted March 18, 2006 Posted March 18, 2006 Not supposed to be arrogant so apologies if that how it comes across. I just think the only reason people are paying that much money for it is beause it's perceived to be a rare record and not because its a good record. It's probably the least interesting 45 released with The Drifters name on it and at best is a weak Disco record that sounded tired and dated even when it was released. The group line up is unclear to me by this time but i beleive it was at the time when Johnny Moore, who had been singing lead with the group on most of the 'Bell' hits had somehow lost that right. Isn't it a Biddu production? He made much better records. There are PLENTY of UK released (and recorded) 45's that are as good if not better but no one is interested because they are more visible. It's the same with The Pioneers "My Good Friend James" which some got excited about- it's very avarage, was released twice but isn't that easy to find although I suspect there are a fair few lurking somewhere in piles of unwanted 70's reggae records. But the price went up because it was perceived to be 'rare'. hi simon aggree withn you on these points much better stuff knocking around i do not beleive either of the two mentioned are that rare just stuck in the wrong collections as you say, mark
Guest Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 Simon, Any chance of some titles and artists? lol..lazy so & so Barry How about making a guess at some ? I'll give you some clues- theres a Drifters track in there, a track by a Drifters lead singer, a track by a very well known Soul man, a track by by the the singer of the biggest selling single of 1974 (I think it was) and track by a reggae act -plus a few more !
Dave Pinch Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 was clyde brown the vocalist on pour your little heart out? he was certainly in the group and it sounds like him to these ears. it seems "pour" is harder on the stock copy but then i have that with a crappy plastic label. but outside of the one on ebay other week they all seem to be demos dave
ockers Posted March 19, 2006 Author Posted March 19, 2006 Not supposed to be arrogant so apologies if that how it comes across. I just think the only reason people are paying that much money for it is beause it's perceived to be a rare record and not because its a good record. It's probably the least interesting 45 released with The Drifters name on it and at best is a weak Disco record that sounded tired and dated even when it was released. The group line up is unclear to me by this time but i beleive it was at the time when Johnny Moore, who had been singing lead with the group on most of the 'Bell' hits had somehow lost that right. Isn't it a Biddu production? He made much better records. There are PLENTY of UK released (and recorded) 45's that are as good if not better but no one is interested because they are more visible. It's the same with The Pioneers "My Good Friend James" which some got excited about- it's very avarage, was released twice but isn't that easy to find although I suspect there are a fair few lurking somewhere in piles of unwanted 70's reggae records. But the price went up because it was perceived to be 'rare'. I take your point Simon there are much better records try flipping over now is the time by jimmy james as an example want you so much nice choon and written by biddu... theyre all rare though arent they?? this one ius a uk copy only i dont think its that bad a record but im staggered someone would pay £200 for it it is a biddu production and a uk production as far as im aware the major lance track is a much better soul track agree with you on the pioneers i think that is average but is rare what time is your show on starpoint by the way must tune in thanks sean www.seasidesoul.co.uk
Guest Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 (edited) I don't know who sings lead on "Pour Your Little Heart Out". Clyde appears in a publicity photo with Bill Fredricks and Johnny Moore from around the same time, but the three are billed as "Johnny Moore and Slightly Adrift" which I assume came about when they couldn't use the Drifters name- so something tells me it isn't Clyde on the Epic 45. I had the picture as an avatar recently. It came with a copy of Johnny's single on Towerbell, "Your Broken Heart". Edited March 19, 2006 by Simon White
Guest Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 Wierdly enough I was playing the Jimmy James 45 at home here last week- now I can't f*****g find it anywhere.
ockers Posted March 19, 2006 Author Posted March 19, 2006 Wierdly enough I was playing the Jimmy James 45 at home here last week- now I can't f*****g find it anywhere. worth checking out as is teri de sario..............
Them Posted March 20, 2006 Posted March 20, 2006 Got this Drifters on UK Epic for sale, PM me if interested.
ockers Posted March 21, 2006 Author Posted March 21, 2006 Eight tracks, all cheap....or are they ? Are they good... or bad? You decide. Im probably in a minority view but sorry but most of these are quite poor to be honest The Drifters and the Ben Moore tracks are much stronger
Guest Posted March 21, 2006 Posted March 21, 2006 How about making a guess at some ? I'll give you some clues- theres a Drifters track in there, a track by a Drifters lead singer, a track by a very well known Soul man, a track by by the the singer of the biggest selling single of 1974 (I think it was) and track by a reggae act -plus a few more ! George McCrae was 1974s top seller and track no 2 does sounds like him. I quite like all the songs!
Guest Posted March 22, 2006 Posted March 22, 2006 Im probably in a minority view but sorry but most of these are quite poor to be honest The Drifters and the Ben Moore tracks are much stronger The moral of the story is- one man's meat is another man's poison ! I was listening to Ian Levine playing The Drifers at Togetherness a while back and one of the tracks I've posted up was pointed out to me as having a similar feel to 'Pour Your Little Heart Out'. I don't know the Ben Moore at all, only the UK 45 from the album "Slipping Away/Love Music" which I reviewed in 'manifesto'. Anyone have a sound clip on Ben Moore?
ockers Posted March 23, 2006 Author Posted March 23, 2006 The moral of the story is- one man's meat is another man's poison ! I was listening to Ian Levine playing The Drifers at Togetherness a while back and one of the tracks I've posted up was pointed out to me as having a similar feel to 'Pour Your Little Heart Out'. I don't know the Ben Moore at all, only the UK 45 from the album "Slipping Away/Love Music" which I reviewed in 'manifesto'. Anyone have a sound clip on Ben Moore? Ben Moore album is slow dancing on roadshow did mr levine play the new version of looking over my shoulder by any chance?
Willow Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 I'm a big Drifters fan. I remember the record as a new release. I never got one. It was a pretty weak release then and it's pretty weak now. Pleasant but nothing to write home about. A classic example of sheep paying large amounts for something because it's 'rare'. Hi Guys, Did you know that the Drifters Pour your little heart out was played in the film The Bitch with Joan Collins!!! You can hear about 25 seconds of it as she walks through the disco
ockers Posted March 23, 2006 Author Posted March 23, 2006 (edited) Hi Guys, Did you know that the Drifters Pour your little heart out was played in the film The Bitch with Joan Collins!!! You can hear about 25 seconds of it as she walks through the disco and its on the soundtrack too yes indeed... Edited March 23, 2006 by ockers
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 This is from "The Metropolitan Soul" column in 'manifesto' magazine last May- "Tim Brown mentioned a Major Lance track, "Don't You Know I Love You" on Contempo 2045 which was earmarked for future inclusion here. I can't find my copy which means it was one that was lost in a move in the late 80's (dammit) but what is still here is this version... THE FABOULOUS ECHOES -DON'T YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU / IF YOU MOVE YOU LOSE - CONTEMPO C2 -7" This early 1973 release, the second ever on the label when it was Decca distributed, states that it was arranged and produced by Tom Tom Washington and Carl Davis, which of course makes it a Chicago recording. It's the instrumental backing track of the song which Tim mentioned but was released before that one. The flipside is another good instrumental and I suspect somewhere there's a vocal for this too. It's a nice instrumental anyway. As Major Lance was in the UK a lot at this time I think it might be safe to assume that his vocal was recorded here in the UK over the existing Chicago backing track. The first Contempo 45 was the Major's version of 'The Right Track' which after having a re-listen to today doesn't sound as bad as I remember it. ...Major's vocal is great and it was indeed voiced over here. Just thought I'd mention, though how great (and how much better) Jackie Wilson's version of "Don't You Know I Love You" is. Criminally and unbelievably underplayed for years, I'm sure its time will come eventually. I'll be playing it myself at May's edition of MonuMENTAL simply because I like it. Y'all can't say you weren't warned! TONY
ockers Posted March 23, 2006 Author Posted March 23, 2006 ...Major's vocal is great and it was indeed voiced over here. Just thought I'd mention, though how great (and how much better) Jackie Wilson's version of "Don't You Know I Love You" is. Criminally and unbelievably underplayed for years, I'm sure its time will come eventually. I'll be playing it myself at May's edition of MonuMENTAL simply because I like it. Y'all can't say you weren't warned! TONY lovely version on the beautiful day album....
Guest dundeedavie Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 Eight tracks, all cheap....or are they ? Are they good... or bad? You decide. right ...... all my opinion of course ... numbers 1,2,6 and 8 are crap , 4 and 7 are poor 5 is very good and 3 is excellent .. Davie
jonbuck Posted March 23, 2006 Posted March 23, 2006 I'm a big Drifters fan. I remember the record as a new release. I never got one. It was a pretty weak release then and it's pretty weak now. Pleasant but nothing to write home about. A classic example of sheep paying large amounts for something because it's 'rare'. Best thing the Drifters Ever done was "Harlem Child", Last record @ The Leighton Buzzard Allnighters.... Jon Buck
Steveh73 Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 George MccRae ! Yep thats one down- seven to go. No 1 is William Bell - Passion No 2 is Horace Faith - I Can't Understand It Both excellent, by the way! Cheers Steve
Guest Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 Ben Moore album is slow dancing on roadshow did mr levine play the new version of looking over my shoulder by any chance? Which new version? he did a version on Ebony Allayne himself I think. No 1 is William Bell - Passion No 2 is Horace Faith - I Can't Understand It Both excellent, by the way! Cheers Steve Thats two more off the list then !
Modernsoulsucks Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 Oh dear,oh dear!! I can't really believe people are discussing this Drifters 45 as anything to do with the Northern scene in any way. It's an old beach music biggie as are things like the Futures "Party time man". I must have taken 25+ copies of that 45 to the Carolinas and traded them off over there. It is rarish though. Their other Epic 45 "Closely guarded secret" is a similar beat and was equally in demand then. No doubt some enterprising dj with no taste whatsoever will be giving that a spin too. ROD
Guest Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 I'm going to take a couple of guesses. No 4 "I Can't Get Away From You" sounds like Billl Fredricks so I think that this is the Drifters track! No 3 "I'm Just Nobody"- Clyde Brown??? No 5 "My Love Won't Wait- the singer sounds so familiar yet I can't get it - I'm seeing the AVCO lable and Van McCoy- Am I warm?
Modernsoulsucks Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 I think #3 is Johnny Moore "Still can't shake your love" on Magnet. Sure I took this to Carolinas as well but not bouncy enough to shag to. If anyone out there does like that drifters then look out for a 45 by Spooky on UK Decca from 70's, Norma Lewis on some small label or other. The titles escape me but they're kinda bouncy Northern. ROD
Guest Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 I'm going to take a couple of guesses. No 4 "I Can't Get Away From You" sounds like Billl Fredricks so I think that this is the Drifters track! No 3 "I'm Just Nobody"- Clyde Brown??? No 5 "My Love Won't Wait- the singer sounds so familiar yet I can't get it - I'm seeing the AVCO lable and Van McCoy- Am I warm? 4 is The Drifters and I too think it's Bill Fredricks on lead although. 3 isn't Clyde Brown...and nope Van Mcoy was nowhere near the studio for number five !
Guest Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 I think #3 is Johnny Moore "Still can't shake your love" on Magnet. Sure I took this to Carolinas as well but not bouncy enough to shag to. If anyone out there does like that drifters then look out for a 45 by Spooky on UK Decca from 70's, Norma Lewis on some small label or other. The titles escape me but they're kinda bouncy Northern. ROD Yep Johnny's the boy on "Still Can't Shake Your Love". Was the Norma Lewis 'When Lovin You" on ERC ?
Modernsoulsucks Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 Yep Johnny's the boy on "Still Can't Shake Your Love". Was the Norma Lewis 'When Lovin You" on ERC ? That was it!! I wish I could remember some of the other stuff I took over there as it was all 70's boppy dancers. Some I only ever found single copies. Last time I heard the beach lot only played CDs so 45s must be for sale over there now. ROD
Guest Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 "When Loving You" was booted on a 'Queen City' label ! Must have been for the beach scene.
Guest Posted April 1, 2006 Posted April 1, 2006 BBC Breakfast TV just did a totally pointless and confusing piece on songwriters royalties using bits of film of The Drifters from the early/mid 70's and singing their early 60's hits. They interviewed a guy, Peter Lamarr, credited onscreen as "The Drifters" and presumably a current group member as if he might have been involved in writing some of the songs ! Nothing seemed to be relevant to anything else in the piece at all.
slimharpo Posted April 1, 2006 Posted April 1, 2006 I'm a big Drifters fan. I remember the record as a new release. I never got one. It was a pretty weak release then and it's pretty weak now. Pleasant but nothing to write home about. A classic example of sheep paying large amounts for something because it's 'rare'. Their other 45 on EPIC - I'm Not That Kind Of Guy is MUCH better than 'Pour' and worth tracking down.
Guest Posted April 1, 2006 Posted April 1, 2006 That price for the Drifters really is berserk. £40 tops. Okay maybe £50. Not even worth that. Most of the copies I picked up were sent over to the Carolinas as a beach sound. It seems that if it's a UK only release people start building it up as the next best thing. It's pretty ordinary and not woth chasing. Far better records out there,
Guest Posted April 1, 2006 Posted April 1, 2006 Oh dear,oh dear!! I can't really believe people are discussing this Drifters 45 as anything to do with the Northern scene in any way. It's an old beach music biggie as are things like the Futures "Party time man". I must have taken 25+ copies of that 45 to the Carolinas and traded them off over there. It is rarish though. Their other Epic 45 "Closely guarded secret" is a similar beat and was equally in demand then. No doubt some enterprising dj with no taste whatsoever will be giving that a spin too. ROD "Closely guarded .." is on Arista but what the hell, they're all in the same vein. Pleasant but that's about it. Sounded pretty drab as new releases though.
Modernsoulsucks Posted April 1, 2006 Posted April 1, 2006 "Closely guarded .." is on Arista but what the hell, they're all in the same vein. Pleasant but that's about it. Sounded pretty drab as new releases though. I meant to write "Im not that kinda guy" and not "Closely..." but they're not exactly high on my list of 45s worth remembering. Did get a lot of good Northern 45s tho in trade over there for those titles and others. Does seem that some people are kinda plundering the 70's Beach sound and passing it off as Northern ROD
slimharpo Posted April 1, 2006 Posted April 1, 2006 I meant to write "Im not that kinda guy" and not "Closely..." but they're not exactly high on my list of 45s worth remembering. Did get a lot of good Northern 45s tho in trade over there for those titles and others. Does seem that some people are kinda plundering the 70's Beach sound and passing it off as Northern ROD I'm not that Kind Of Guy is on Epic not Arista, not that you're bothered by the sound of it!
Modernsoulsucks Posted April 1, 2006 Posted April 1, 2006 I'm not that Kind Of Guy is on Epic not Arista, not that you're bothered by the sound of it! Yeah, I know that!! That's what last couple of posts were about. Why would I be bothered? I collect Northern and Motown not 70's pop-soul.There were a whole slew of Drifters soundalikes out at that time like the Majors MAGNET,True Expression EMI. No doubt to try and emulate the success of the Drifters in the UK Pop Charts with their Bell 45s, and they weren't Northern then and definitely not now. Apart from "You're more than..." Drifters didn't get hits with the later Arista or Epic stuff. Those two on Epic were hard to pick up and "Closely..." and "Looks like Im the clown again" on the plain blue Arista label were equally obscure. Hard to remember now what "Beach" 45s I traded over there cos not my cup of tea but I do remember getting Willie Tee NOLA, Reggie Sadler PANTHER and Arthur Willis [sold it to Butch as unknown] for 20 odd different Drifters 45s. Still got the Willie Tee but should have kept the other two with hindsight. Ta for pointing my mistake out again. I won't do it again. ROD
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