Guest andycambs Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 aka Sister lee instrumental Unreleased Goodie Andy
Pete S Posted March 14, 2006 Author Posted March 14, 2006 Unreleased Goodie Andy Don't be soft, it's f*cking phenomenal, listen to the drummer, he's a genius...Andy Rix thinks it could well be Benny Benjamin. Sorry Andy, but anyone who doesn't like uptempo detroit instrumentals needs their ears syringing, and that applies to everyone who is thinking of adding the comment "instrumentals aren't soul" blah blah blah
Guest andycambs Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Love instrumentals, just not this one Pete, sounds like a 20 second sound bite played on a loop, imo anyway Andy
Pete S Posted March 14, 2006 Author Posted March 14, 2006 Love instrumentals, just not this one Pete, sounds like a 20 second sound bite played on a loop, imo anyway Andy Oh well...so do you not like Sister Lee either then?? This sounds a lot like "hanky Panky" I think.
Guest Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Instrumentals seem to be my thing of the moment for some reason but I can't say I am keen on it
Guest Baz Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Not for me sounds like it could have been just made and put on a loop no break's or nowt in it.
Naughty Boy Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Don't be soft, it's f*cking phenomenal, listen to the drummer, he's a genius...Andy Rix thinks it could well be Benny Benjamin. Sorry Andy, but anyone who doesn't like uptempo detroit instrumentals needs their ears syringing, and that applies to everyone who is thinking of adding the comment "instrumentals aren't soul" blah blah blah well you will get em Pete...comments i mean.. cloth ears string to mind
Guest andycambs Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 well you will get em Pete...comments i mean.. cloth ears string to mind Cloth ears? Pete or the 39 members, myself included, who have listened to it and decided it's not for them or not worth commenting on? Ask yourself this, what reaction would the vocal get now if it turned up after years of only knowing the instrumental, it would be massive!! I don't think this version will have the same impact, time will tell eh! Andy P.S luv the vocal
Soulsmith Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 "instrumentals aren't soul" blah blah blah very Tin Pan Alley.
Pete S Posted March 14, 2006 Author Posted March 14, 2006 I know what your saying about it being repetitive and that, but at the end of the day, it's the instrumental to Sister lee and that makes it genius in my book that sound...phenomenal
Guest Dan Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 "instrumentals aren't soul" blah blah blah very Tin Pan Alley. have to agree with col pete i can't see how instrumentals can be soulful. they can be great - grow your own by the small faces, green onions, soul limbo, loads of others - but they're not soul in my book
Pete S Posted March 14, 2006 Author Posted March 14, 2006 have to agree with col pete i can't see how instrumentals can be soulful. they can be great - grow your own by the small faces, green onions, soul limbo, loads of others - but they're not soul in my book Who cares about soul? I'm talking about NORTHERN soul. Oh, and tell the Soul Brothers that they aren't soul musicians while you're at at
Simsy Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 have to agree with col pete i can't see how instrumentals can be soulful. they can be great - grow your own by the small faces, green onions, soul limbo, loads of others - but they're not soul in my book What about the Deadbeats - No secocond chance? Or Paradox?
Garethx Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Of course instrumentals can be soulful. Tell me John Coltrane's Alabama has no soul. Instrumentals like this, on the other hand, are the kind of 'music' that can make the scene look foolish in the eyes of ousiders: a basic, clearly unfinished rhythm track lacking anything in terms of musical interest such as modulation, harmonisation, changes in tempo etc. The practice of playing these things reached its nadir for me with the trotting out of the obviously unfinished backing tracks for such classics as She's Wanted In Three States and If You Can't Be True: who in their right mind would play these when they owned the finished vocal versions; the answer: a set of deejays who's interest is in showing the world what great connections they might have in order to obtain said tracks. I have no problem whatsoever with instrumentals that were fully conceived to be instrumentals, but I suspect that even the musicians who put down tracks like the one above would be faintly amused to think that people would be actively seeking and playing such items forty years later. They are mildly diverting historical curios, and are perhaps of academic interest to those who might be concerned with the studio processes of the great bands and producers, but to play them at dances is a bit desperate, if you ask me. But thanks, as ever, for posting it Pete.
Pete S Posted March 14, 2006 Author Posted March 14, 2006 (edited) Of course instrumentals can be soulful. Tell me John Coltrane's Alabama has no soul. Instrumentals like this, on the other hand, are the kind of 'music' that can make the scene look foolish in the eyes of ousiders: a basic, clearly unfinished rhythm track lacking anything in terms of musical interest such as modulation, harmonisation, changes in tempo etc. The practice of playing these things reached its nadir for me with the trotting out of the obviously unfinished backing tracks for such classics as She's Wanted In Three States and If You Can't Be True: who in their right mind would play these when they owned the finished vocal versions; the answer: a set of deejays who's interest is in showing the world what great connections they might have in order to obtain said tracks. I have no problem whatsoever with instrumentals that were fully conceived to be instrumentals, but I suspect that even the musicians who put down tracks like the one above would be faintly amused to think that people would be actively seeking and playing such items forty years later. They are mildly diverting historical curios, and are perhaps of academic interest to those who might be concerned with the studio processes of the great bands and producers, but to play them at dances is a bit desperate, if you ask me. But thanks, as ever, for posting it Pete. Thats as maybe. But the instrumental of Exus Trek is better than the vocal. Oh, and I appreciate the thank you Gareth Edited March 14, 2006 by Pete-S
Speedlimit Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 aka Sister lee instrumental hi pete great to here this again first heard this in late 70's early eighties along with inst too eddie's my name and afew others that cropped up at the same time
Guest Dan Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Of course instrumentals can be soulful. Tell me John Coltrane's Alabama has no soul. OK. John Coltrane's Alabama has no soul. Soul is in the voice.
Garethx Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Exus Trek is better than the vocal version in my opinion too. This very topic cropped up in the pub on Friday night.
Guest Dan Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Who cares about soul? I'm talking about NORTHERN soul. Oh, and tell the Soul Brothers that they aren't soul musicians while you're at at you anticipated comments saying 'instrumentals aren't soul' (which i what i said), not 'instrumentals aren't northern soul' (which i didn't) What about the Deadbeats - No secocond chance? Or Paradox? in what way is the deadbeats an instrumental, ian? or soul?
Pete S Posted March 14, 2006 Author Posted March 14, 2006 OK. John Coltrane's Alabama has no soul. Soul is in the voice. Dan...Ben E King once asked the question "What is soul", and the reply he got was "Soul is Bari Track you deaf git"
Simsy Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 in what way is the deadbeats an instrumental, ian? or soul? Can only locate vocal version (at work). Each to his own on the soulful issue I guess.
Guest Baz Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 OK. John Coltrane's Alabama has no soul. Soul is in the voice. Spot on Dan IMO. used to listen to house music a fair bit and people would discribe certain 'instrumental' tracks as soulful! (all though saying that a good sax can add some soul) bolocks soul is in the voice, the words, the pain that the singer is feeling! you cant say them things with an insturment, soulful house IMO is a track with singing in it its what makes it soulful, just because a instrumental record was made in the 60's by a black musision dont make it soulful IMO, never been a fan of them so i guess its just my own personal taste at the end of the day
Winnie :-) Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Spot on Dan IMO. used to listen to house music a fair bit and people would discribe certain 'instrumental' tracks as soulful! (all though saying that a good sax can add some soul) bolocks soul is in the voice, the words, the pain that the singer is feeling! you cant say them things with an insturment, soulful house IMO is a track with singing in it its what makes it soulful, just because a instrumental record was made in the 60's by a black musision dont make it soulful IMO, never been a fan of them so i guess its just my own personal taste at the end of the day ============ Agree with you and Dan about instrumentals, soul is within the voice. Far more emotive and expressive IMO, and lyrics make all the difference, I'm not sure you can communicate the anguish and despair within some records via instruments only. Instrumentals were great back in the day, pounding along, with ready made drop/spin breaks where the chorus used to be, but in general not for me these days. Winnie:-)
Chalky Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Love instrumentals, just not this one Pete, sounds like a 20 second sound bite played on a loop, imo anyway Andy boring and monotonous regardless of who the drummer is you gotta be under the influence of something to want to hear summat like this
Guest Dan Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Dan...Ben E King once asked the question "What is soul", and the reply he got was "Soul is Bari Track you deaf git" quality response peter i know you got soul, if you didn't you wouldn't be in here
Guest Dan Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Exus Trek is better than the vocal version in my opinion too. This very topic cropped up in the pub on Friday night. i usually find your arguments very well-reasoned and interesting gareth (and usually agree with them too) but i have to say you and pete must have been in the same pub taking the same mind bending drugs if you think exus trek is better than if it's all the same to you . as exus trek, it's a great tune - the sort of thing that would have been at home in a car chase scene in a 60s james bond film. as if it's all the same to you, it's one of the greatest northern soul records ever and it's a soul record, too. tempted to put this one to the poll as well, now that i've worked out how to do it
Pete S Posted March 14, 2006 Author Posted March 14, 2006 i usually find your arguments very well-reasoned and interesting gareth (and usually agree with them too) but i have to say you and pete must have been in the same pub taking the same mind bending drugs if you think exus trek is better than if it's all the same to you . as exus trek, it's a great tune - the sort of thing that would have been at home in a car chase scene in a 60s james bond film. as if it's all the same to you, it's one of the greatest northern soul records ever and it's a soul record, too. tempted to put this one to the poll as well, now that i've worked out how to do it The vocals on If Its All The Same To You ruin a damn good instrumental. And don't bother with the poll, it's always the same people who bother joining in
John Al Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 He has a point. And it was Exus Trek that got most plays originally. How about the vocal to "Lady Lady Lady" - Boogie Man Orchestra (yes I know it's modern and all that), but they too ruin a brilliant instrumental. John.
Pete S Posted March 14, 2006 Author Posted March 14, 2006 boring and monotonous regardless of who the drummer is you gotta be under the influence of something to want to hear summat like this You ought to have that printed on a t shirt cos you say it every time we talk about instrumentals He has a point. And it was Exus Trek that got most plays originally. How about the vocal to "Lady Lady Lady" - Boogie Man Orchestra (yes I know it's modern and all that), but they too ruin a brilliant instrumental. John. I didn't even know there was a vocal to Exus Trek til the mid 80's! By the way, Bari Track is better than I Miss My Baby as well. Ten times better. IMMB is good, but it's better as an inst.
Chalky Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 You ought to have that printed on a t shirt cos you say it every time we talk about instrumentals actually I usually say "there's no soul in an instrumental"
Pete S Posted March 14, 2006 Author Posted March 14, 2006 actually I usually say "there's no soul in an instrumental" I apologise
John Al Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Agree on Bari Track, and how about Strings A Go Go - much better as instrumental.
Pete S Posted March 14, 2006 Author Posted March 14, 2006 Agree on Bari Track, and how about Strings A Go Go - much better as instrumental. Ah...but great as it is, I don't think it's a 'soul' record...you know, like Wade In The Water is a soul instrumental. Northern Soul, no doubt about it. Frantic Escape is another great soul instrumental.
John Al Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Hmmm. ok, it's a dance record. How crap would vocal to Hank Jacobs sound though!!!
Naughty Boy Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Cloth ears? Pete or the 39 members, myself included, who have listened to it and decided it's not for them or not worth commenting on? Ask yourself this, what reaction would the vocal get now if it turned up after years of only knowing the instrumental, it would be massive!! I don't think this version will have the same impact, time will tell eh! Andy P.S luv the vocal applies to everyone who is thinking of adding the comment "instrumentals aren't soul" blah blah blah that is the point
Guest Dan Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 The vocals on If Its All The Same To You ruin a damn good instrumental. And don't bother with the poll, it's always the same people who bother joining in i won't bother with a poll pete but only because you'd just end up with one lot of people saying the instr was better and another lot saying the vocal was better. all i will say is mrs richards from fatty owls would be voting with you. as would van gogh and pinky the deaf juggler and unicyclist (https://www.pinkythejuggler.com/)
stomper45 Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 ============ Agree with you and Dan about instrumentals, soul is within the voice. Far more emotive and expressive IMO, and lyrics make all the difference, I'm not sure you can communicate the anguish and despair within some records via instruments only. Instrumentals were great back in the day, ... Winnie:-) Alrite Winnie yep the instrumental's have waned big time,tho has been said much rubbish was pushed out back then. "newer sounds" have gotton more soulful with great vocals. However prefer the Funk Bros versions of them supremes sounds, Junior Walker sang through his sax, It's the opening bars of tunes that normally grab me; Jades, Dean P, Carol Anderson and loads more.Sidra's theme dont need no vocals Tho agree this track is not great on my cloth likes either, sorry pete but thanks for posting. danny
Billy Freemantle Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Of course instrumentals can be soulful. Tell me John Coltrane's Alabama has no soul. Just in case somebody hasn't heard this very soulful recording, here is a live version.___Track04Re1.mp3
Billy Freemantle Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Another soulful instrumenatl by Clark Terry.Clark_Terry___Nahstye_BluesRe1.mp3
Soulsmith Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 (edited) Just in case somebody hasn't heard this very soulful recording, here is a live version. More tearful than soulful. Thankfully I no longer have a gas oven. Edited March 14, 2006 by Soulsmith
Soulsmith Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Don't be soft, it's f*cking phenomenal, listen to the drummer, he's a genius...Andy Rix thinks it could well be Benny Benjamin. Sorry Andy, but anyone who doesn't like uptempo detroit instrumentals needs their ears syringing, and that applies to everyone who is thinking of adding the comment "instrumentals aren't soul" blah blah blah I'd rather listen to Ronnie Verrell now he was a genius. He was the drummer in Frank Skinner's house band.........before that he did the 'drum licks' for Animal in the muppets.
Billy Freemantle Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 More tearful than soulful. Thankfully I no longer have a gas oven. Yes, it is a sad sound. A less harrowing piece which is very soulful in my mind is this lovely instrumental.Leaving_Rome___Jo_Jo_BennettRe1.mp3
Guest recordman Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 The only good modern soul record is a broken one... Well I wish you would break that load of old pants of an instrumental ...terrible record Sister Lee Sam Ward I would agree is great NS but please lets not degenerate into playing this sort of stuff next thing you will be playing R&B instrumentals ! God Help Us
Dayo Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Thats as maybe. But the instrumental of Exus Trek is better than the vocal. Agree. Ditto Festival Time. Colin
asboannie Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 (edited) Unreleased Goodie Andy Sorry got to agree with andycambs on this one. Edited March 14, 2006 by asboannie
jonbuck Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 (edited) "instrumentals aren't soul" blah blah blah Heard someone else say that Colin, I said what about Earl Wright Thumb a Ride....They said yea that's allright but that's all....then I said what about The Brothers Are You Ready for This....they said yea that ones OK to.....Also Steve Karmen Breakaway the Instrumental is better than the vocal & we could go on all night with this.... Jon Buck Edited March 14, 2006 by jonbuck
Pete S Posted March 14, 2006 Author Posted March 14, 2006 The only good modern soul record is a broken one... Well I wish you would break that load of old pants of an instrumental ...terrible record Sister Lee Sam Ward I would agree is great NS but please lets not degenerate into playing this sort of stuff next thing you will be playing R&B instrumentals ! God Help Us Sister lee is great - but the backing track to it is terrible. have you heard yourself???
Chalky Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Heard someone else say that Colin, I said what about Earl Wright Thumb a Ride....They said yea that's allright but that's all....then I said what about The Brothers Are You Ready for This....they said yea that ones OK to.....Also Steve Karmen Breakaway the Istrumental is better than the vocal & we could go on all night with this.... Jon Buck I wouldn't call them soul, northern soul yes.....there's a difference IMHO
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