Top Prices Or What?

[Mak]

Just been on www.popsike.com .

Who pays these prices , maybe I'm a little jealous.

THE MAGNETICS - LADY IN GREEN - BONNIE $8101

THE PROPHETS - HUH BABY - SHRINE $7600

EDDIE PARKER - I'M GONE - AWAKE $7200

MARGERET LITTLE - LOVE FINDS ME - GENEBRO x2 $6800 and $5920

THE POETS - WRAPPED AROUND MY FINGER - J2 $2902

Some of these were auctioned on ebay as far back as 2004 , what price now?

[Guest Dan]

Just been on www.popsike.com .

Who pays these prices , maybe I'm a little jealous.

THE MAGNETICS - LADY IN GREEN - BONNIE $8101

THE PROPHETS - HUH BABY - SHRINE $7600

EDDIE PARKER - I'M GONE - AWAKE $7200

MARGERET LITTLE - LOVE FINDS ME - GENEBRO x2 $6800 and $5920

THE POETS - WRAPPED AROUND MY FINGER - J2 $2902

Some of these were auctioned on ebay as far back as 2004 , what price now?

i would pay that for the prophets (if i could get the money somehow) though for the other side of course.

not many margaret littles about, or eddie parkers.

poets is too expensive but not absolutely mad IMO. magnetics is absolutely mad.

as to what price now - i think prices are coming down, so would say knock $1000 off the poets, at least $2000 off the others except the magnetics, which i'd knock $5000 off

[Chris L]

I guess there's only about 10 people anywhere paying this kind of money for records.

Needs their heads examined, no piece of vinyl (deffo not styrene) is worth that.

Stay the the music I say.

Chris L

[Chalky]

i would pay that for the prophets (if i could get the money somehow) though for the other side of course.

not many margaret littles about, or eddie parkers.

poets is too expensive but not absolutely mad IMO. magnetics is absolutely mad.

as to what price now - i think prices are coming down, so would say knock $1000 off the poets, at least $2000 off the others except the magnetics, which i'd knock $5000 off

Thought there was plenty of Eddie Parkers about in collections. Sure John Anderson had a box of at least 50 and he was saying he sold them for about a quid a piece.

I think the Poets would still fetch £1500 or thereabouts, maybe more, rarer than Eddie Parker IMO. Still only the 3 of Margaret Little, agree with the Prophets well worth it. I would never imagined the Magnetics going for what it did, I know it doesn't come up for sale very often but.....

[Wally Francis]

I know a guy with an original Eddie Parker framed and hanging on his wall,along with other soulfull memorabilia.I've asked a thousand times for it and he won't sell. :angry:

[Guest Dan]

Thought there was plenty of Eddie Parkers about in collections. Sure John Anderson had a box of at least 50 and he was saying he sold them for about a quid a piece.

I think the Poets would still fetch £1500 or thereabouts, maybe more, rarer than Eddie Parker IMO. Still only the 3 of Margaret Little, agree with the Prophets well worth it. I would never imagined the Magnetics going for what it did, I know it doesn't come up for sale very often but.....

i must admit i was surprised by the price that that eddie parker fetched at the time but if there was ever going to be a flood of them onto the market i would have thought it would have happened after that

[Simsy]

Popsike not as up to date as you'd think either. Couple of Mark Loyd's that have sold in the recent past that don't show up on there at all.

People are still paying over the odds on Ebay. Comparing Gino - Paper Moon last night between what M- copies had sold for and the VG++ that went through last night. Mighty Lover went through for big bucks earlier.

You cant whack being at a soul do imo, have the vinyl in yer hands, listen to it sometimes if they have a turntable. And of course some low grade haggling.

[Gene-r]

Actually, those prices come as no surprise to me, as I think it's quite reflective of the rarity of the records listed above.

But just how many copies of Margaret Little have actually surfaced? I always believed there was perhaps just 1 or 2.

[Tony Smith]

Actually, those prices come as no surprise to me, as I think it's quite reflective of the rarity of the records listed above.

But just how many copies of Margaret Little have actually surfaced? I always believed there was perhaps just 1 or 2.

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Mick H., Soul Sam & 1 in North Wales

[Guest Dan]

Actually, those prices come as no surprise to me, as I think it's quite reflective of the rarity of the records listed above.

eight thousand dollars for lady in green, gene? you could spend three months over there looking for a copy for that not that you'd find one but you know what i mean

[Gene-r]

eight thousand dollars for lady in green, gene? you could spend three months over there looking for a copy for that not that you'd find one but you know what i mean

Yep - sure do Dan! But I think one went on Ebay for around that much in $ recently, if I'm not mistaken.....

[Chalky]

eight thousand dollars for lady in green, gene? you could spend three months over there looking for a copy for that not that you'd find one but you know what i mean

two mates after seeing the one recently on ebay both said "they could have had mine for £2k"

[Simsy]

This should be fun ...

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=4845763253

[Simsy]

This should be fun ...

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=4845763253

https://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4038048794

[Guest]

two mates after seeing the one recently on ebay both said "they could have had mine for £2k"

Chalky,

Put them in touch with me, I'll buy two for 2k each..

john

[Dave Abbott]

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Mick H., Soul Sam & 1 in North Wales

Tony, the other's is Mark Speakman's

I would have the Madge Little for those prices (if i had the money of course lol)

and dont see a problem with the Poets price, can only remember seeing one and thaty was a while ago for £1.2k - quality without a doubt.

[Dysonsoul]

Chalky,

Put them in touch with me, I'll buy two for 2k each..

john

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Edited March 11, 2006 by Dysonsoul

[Chalky]

Chalky,

Put them in touch with me, I'll buy two for 2k each..

john

One since moved on John, probably more than what they said too I'll see what other says when I see 'em. Always different tho' when something sold for such a price, usually someone wants the same

Edited March 11, 2006 by chalky

[celthomas]

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Mick H., Soul Sam & 1 in North Wales

2 copies in north wales!

[Phild]

Tony, the other's is Mark Speakman's

I would have the Madge Little for those prices (if i had the money of course lol)

and dont see a problem with the Poets price, can only remember seeing one and thaty was a while ago for £1.2k - quality without a doubt.

Makes me sick to think of how little I sold it for (£300). Mind youi only paid 12 dollars for it, so it's not so bad after all

[Guest]

One since moved on John, probably more than what they said too I'll see what other says when I see 'em. Always different tho' when something sold for such a price, usually someone wants the same

Chalky,

Covering your other point on Eddie Parker - Awake this has always been rare as for 50 copies at a quid?This has as much foundation as the Four Vandals - Boardwalk being at the Mecca. I know one of the big $$$$ sales on "Eddie" from Jerry Braverman went to a guy I consider owns the finest soul collection in the world (Mark Dobson) I think when you get the premier long-time collectors paying $$$$$ this is because experience tells them it is genuinely rare. I value Eddie Parker at £4k that's why the guy who sold up in the late 70s (name escapes me) but was it Dave Taylor..? framed it and sold the rest.. It's never ever been anything but rare..and of coarse just the finest piece of Northern Soul u could ever hope to shake ya hips to. I believe 95% of the real big prices are paid by experienced seasoned collectors.. many of which still don't own some the the records mentioned here.. John

[Guest]

Yep - sure do Dan! But I think one went on Ebay for around that much in $ recently, if I'm not mistaken.....

Lady In Green I'm proud to say since 1976 and over 100 trips to the USA buying I've never ever found a single copy.. makes $8000 seem cheap..

[Spanner]

Lady In Green I'm proud to say since 1976 and over 100 trips to the USA buying I've never ever found a single copy.. makes $8000 seem cheap..

Get some new glasses

[Guest]

Get some new glasses

Wouldn't be easier 4u to knock on the door, to take the piss..

[Dave Abbott]

Makes me sick to think of how little I sold it for (£300). Mind youi only paid 12 dollars for it, so it's not so bad after all

Phil, i take it you're talking about the Poets and not Madge...

and Span.. what you doing here on a saturday nite??... lol

[Guest Dan]

Lady In Green I'm proud to say since 1976 and over 100 trips to the USA buying I've never ever found a single copy.. makes $8000 seem cheap..

if you'd gone 100 times specifically looking for that record and returned empty handed i'd agree with you john. but i presume you bought other things along the way, thus defraying the expense a bit ?

while i obviously defer to your greater wisdom, i just can't see how the magnetics on bonnie is an $8000 record.

now that you've joined up - a very good thing by the way, people with your knowledge and experience can only be welcome - what's your view on how record prices are going? i appreciate this may be like asking the pope if he's keen on the worldwide rise of satanism, but do you agree the market is tightening?

[Guest]

if you'd gone 100 times specifically looking for that record and returned empty handed i'd agree with you john. but i presume you bought other things along the way, thus defraying the expense a bit ?

while i obviously defer to your greater wisdom, i just can't see how the magnetics on bonnie is an $8000 record.

now that you've joined up - a very good thing by the way, people with your knowledge and experience can only be welcome - what's your view on how record prices are going? i appreciate this may be like asking the pope if he's keen on the worldwide rise of satanism, but do you agree the market is tightening?

Dan,

the market is stronger than ever: ie we sold more records last 1/4 than ever before.. but the top-end has levelled since Christmas, but it always does. the interesting trend is that a lot of very fine expensive records are leaving the country... never to return i fear. Market is kickin', there is more collectors now than ever.. and it is worldwide..fantastic accolade to our music.

john

[Phild]

Phil, i take it you're talking about the Poets and not Madge...

and Span.. what you doing here on a saturday nite??... lol

Yep Poets on J2, lickle record shop that I'm sure a few on here know on W.63rd st, Chicago

Phil

[Phild]

Lady In Green I'm proud to say since 1976 and over 100 trips to the USA buying I've never ever found a single copy.. makes $8000 seem cheap..

I had two, yes TWO copies of this in my hand in Detroit in 1994. On the last day of a trip to the US. Agreed the price ($300 each). Put a deposit down (no dollars left, credit cards virtually max'ed out), having taken the W/D's of Jock Mitchell, Duke Browner, Dena Barnes and a rather nice copy of a little record by The Moments on Hog (sold to Mr Willingham in '96). Got back to UK, got over the jetlag and rang the guy to arrange the wire transfer of the funds only to be told that some other British guy had had them. Not 100% sure who (never found out), but believe it was Pete Lowrie. Total sickener. Got me own back though, on the same trip I bought a Danny Moore for $3.00 and sold it to Mr Lowrie for £1000

Phil

[Guest]

I read on an internet group but two days ago that records on the northern scene are sold for much higher amounts than those on the scooter scene, for the same record.

[Ted Massey]

I paid £300 for the Magnetics when Andy Spencer sold up to my knowledge that was the most anyone had paid for a northern record at the time. Dave Knight rang me the same night and said you must be mad its only ever gone for £150 i said ok Dave here's the money go and get me one. looks like i made the right choice

[Guest ShaneH]

I read on an internet group but two days ago that records on the northern scene are sold for much higher amounts than those on the scooter scene, for the same record.

i dont get it when people say stuff like this.

most stuff isnt sold on a scene. its sold on ebay in the majority of cases.

i remember someone saying the five royals is a £20 record on the doo-wop scene.

these dop -wop sellers must be crackers to not know one of their beloved tunes is sold for £500 on ebay. i just cant believe it to be honest.

do they have a different ebay/gemm etc web addresses to us?

Shane

[Guest]

Shane mate, you must be on the same internet group then!

[Chalky]

Chalky,

Covering your other point on Eddie Parker - Awake this has always been rare as for 50 copies at a quid?This has as much foundation as the Four Vandals - Boardwalk being at the Mecca. I know one of the big $$$$ sales on "Eddie" from Jerry Braverman went to a guy I consider owns the finest soul collection in the world (Mark Dobson) I think when you get the premier long-time collectors paying $$$$$ this is because experience tells them it is genuinely rare. I value Eddie Parker at £4k that's why the guy who sold up in the late 70s (name escapes me) but was it Dave Taylor..? framed it and sold the rest.. It's never ever been anything but rare..and of coarse just the finest piece of Northern Soul u could ever hope to shake ya hips to. I believe 95% of the real big prices are paid by experienced seasoned collectors.. many of which still don't own some the the records mentioned here.. John

Hi John, can remember some years ago someone telling me they saw multiple copies of EP at Soul Bowl, how many, elaborating with the truth dunno mate but I've no rewason to disbelieve you either. The subject came up re: EP at Cleethoprpes last year after one went for a large sum and John Anderson himself said he had a 50 box? He did also say the condition wasn't great as well.

Don't doubt it's rarity after all it hardly ever comes up for sale.

Also agree with you regarding Butch

Time for bed

[Guest Soulfood33]

I had two, yes TWO copies of this in my hand in Detroit in 1994. On the last day of a trip to the US. Agreed the price ($300 each). Put a deposit down (no dollars left, credit cards virtually max'ed out), having taken the W/D's of Jock Mitchell, Duke Browner, Dena Barnes and a rather nice copy of a little record by The Moments on Hog (sold to Mr Willingham in '96). Got back to UK, got over the jetlag and rang the guy to arrange the wire transfer of the funds only to be told that some other British guy had had them. Not 100% sure who (never found out), but believe it was Pete Lowrie. Total sickener. Got me own back though, on the same trip I bought a Danny Moore for $3.00 and sold it to Mr Lowrie for £1000

Phil

Let me get this straight.. you bought Jock Mitchell, Duke Browner, Dena Barnes but LEFT the two copies of The Magnetics....

[Guest ScooterNik]

I read on an internet group but two days ago that records on the northern scene are sold for much higher amounts than those on the scooter scene, for the same record.

I find that hard to believe. There are people on the scooter scene i know who collect, but there isn't really a collecting scene on there away from the mainstream. They tend to generally source their vinyl fixation the same way as everyone else - lists, fairs, nighters, ebay etc?

What does tend to happen is people like Sean Chapman will advertise to buy records/collections in Scootering and the seller often has no idea what he's selling so will get offered low prices as the scooter scenes main focus is obviously scooters not music. If you had a 40 year old Lambretta in poor condition in your garage doing nothing you'd be more likely to sell that for much less than its market value as you wouldn't know the going rate? Same as....

I nearly sold my collection up a few years back (northern, ska, reggae, punk, psychobilly...you name it) to one of these dealers and ended up telling him he was taking the piss with his 'best offer and tbh i'm doing you a favour mate' attitude and derisory offer.

I lived without the scooter I was looking to buy at the time and still have the records

[Guest]

On the subject of Danny Moore, and it being a previous four figure record until multiple copies turned up, and the price then reflected this. (Similar to the Royal Esquires and Frederick Hymes 45's.) What are the chances of the Magnetics, Eddie Parker turning up in this manner ?. Suppose no chance. But did people feel the same with the previous tracks i mentioned, or was this just down to the time and place.ie....Was it just a part in the history of the soul collecting calendar, suppose we will always know more as the years pass.

[Phild]

Let me get this straight.. you bought Jock Mitchell, Duke Browner, Dena Barnes but LEFT the two copies of The Magnetics....

Yep. because he didn't pull those out until AFTER we'd done the deals on the others. It was an excruciating 10 hous of dealing, chatting, drinking beer, eating chilli and buying a few records.

The Magnetics came out about 15 minutes before I had to leave to go to the airport. I paid all the dollars i had left as a deposit.

[Guest Dan]

Dan,

the market is stronger than ever: ie we sold more records last 1/4 than ever before.. but the top-end has levelled since Christmas, but it always does. the interesting trend is that a lot of very fine expensive records are leaving the country... never to return i fear. Market is kickin', there is more collectors now than ever.. and it is worldwide..fantastic accolade to our music.

john

interesting john, thanks. i must say my gut feeling is that prices are coming down but i have to accept you are in a better position to say for sure.

[soulfulsaint]

I read on an internet group but two days ago that records on the northern scene are sold for much higher amounts than those on the scooter scene, for the same record.

If anything, the presence of 'other scenes' has had an inflationary effect on the rare soul scene. Take a record like Mixed Emotions 'Gold of My LIfe' formally a cheapie at the Mecca. But thirty years have increased its scarcity, the modern northern scene has increased its value, the 'B' side is very collectable funk track, which has pushed its value further. So in effect, more people have a reason to collect it - but supply has not increased. So if demand increases and supply stays the same, then just like oil, the prices rise. That's basic economics.

The emergence of the gay disco scene has made Philly and NY Disco more collectable, the rare groove scene has made JB and Street Funk more collectable, the rare funk scene has made Ohio labels the 'new Detroit' , the R&B scene has its effect on prices too. The Japaneses collectors market has made small southern based labels much more expensive than they were in the days of Wigan, where they never really 'competed' with Detroit and Chicago releases.

We often assume the inflation in the market is about the rare northern scene and 'people paying daft prices' but there are probably more people in Japan bidding for records like Don Varner 'Tearstained Face' now than there are northern collectors. There are definitely more US buyers for indie funk.

Even the evolution of our own scene has played its part in the demand curve. A great current example is Ollie Jackson. Old school collectors around in the '70s would not part with ' The Day My Heart Stood Still' despite the more recent demand for the flip side 'Gotta Wipe Away the Teardrops' . So if copies are scarce, and there is a new demand surge then the price goes up.

....and there is more to come, the two biggest populations in the world the Indians and the Chinese have yet to catch the soul collecting bug...

Great.

[Guest Netspeaky]

Just been on www.popsike.com .

Who pays these prices , maybe I'm a little jealous.

THE MAGNETICS - LADY IN GREEN - BONNIE $8101

THE PROPHETS - HUH BABY - SHRINE $7600

EDDIE PARKER - I'M GONE - AWAKE $7200

MARGERET LITTLE - LOVE FINDS ME - GENEBRO x2 $6800 and $5920

THE POETS - WRAPPED AROUND MY FINGER - J2 $2902

Some of these were auctioned on ebay as far back as 2004 , what price now?

I have 3 of the above records I was happy what I paid, couldn't give a toss what other people think, and the guys who come up with it's only worth xyz then get yourself a copy tomorrow, put your price in the wants section, if as you say it's worth what you think it's worth then I'm sure copies will come flooding your way.

Regards Magnetics, Bob Foster bought 3 copies over from Koppel in the early 70's, as far as I'm aware these were the only copies around until the mid 80's, and since then I guess no more than another 6-8 copies have turned up, seems pretty rare to me.

[Guest]

....and there is more to come, the two biggest populations in the world the Indians and the Chinese have yet to catch the soul collecting bug...

Great.

Brilliant.....

[Guest ShaneH]

china getting in on the act is a cert i reckon.

that place is developing 20 times faster than the USA at the moment.

they are moving forward at an incredible rate. there is a huge fashion explosion at the moment with desirable goods been sought after like no other place in the world.

for the 1st time young people have plenty of disposable income.

Shane

[Dave Abbott]

for the 1st time young people have plenty of disposable income.

Shane

but isnt that disposable relative to cinese income and not to ours; i.e. not enough to go buying expensive records?

[Guest Dan]

but isnt that disposable relative to cinese income and not to ours; i.e. not enough to go buying expensive records?

quite a few of them have got enough money to buy porsches dave

anyway, if the chinese got into it, would it become eastern soul

[Ritchieandrew]

I have 3 of the above records I was happy what I paid, couldn't give a toss what other people think, and the guys who come up with it's only worth xyz then get yourself a copy tomorrow, put your price in the wants section, if as you say it's worth what you think it's worth then I'm sure copies will come flooding your way.

Regards Magnetics, Bob Foster bought 3 copies over from Koppel in the early 70's, as far as I'm aware these were the only copies around until the mid 80's, and since then I guess no more than another 6-8 copies have turned up, seems pretty rare to me.

Can remember Bob with the Magnetics, and an episode when Colin Curtis came from Stoke especially to buy one. There's an old saying regarding Purchases :

Some people know the Price of everything but the value of Nothing !!!!!.

Regards Ritchie

[Guest in town Mikey]

china getting in on the act is a cert i reckon.

that place is developing 20 times faster than the USA at the moment.

they are moving forward at an incredible rate. there is a huge fashion explosion at the moment with desirable goods been sought after like no other place in the world.

for the 1st time young people have plenty of disposable income.

Shane

I have just got back there and pray to high heaven that China doesnt get the Northern Soul collecting bug.

You see shops on every high street selling bootleg Handbags, Designer Clothes, DVDs, Watches. You go to markets and they can knock you up an exact replica in hours. OF ANYTHING. I got fed up and asked if they had any John Ateyo (Bristol City legend) designer polo shirts. I was told to wait, the guy could get me anything .

All of a sudden there would be 5000 Margaret Little's for sale etc etc. It would make the 'mint originals' coming out from one dealer in the states look like a trickle.

Incredible country though, and I recommend it to everyone.

[Guest James Trouble]

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[Pete S]

I'll give you £2500 each for them if they are in good condition? That should be a grand profit for you, so worht tracking your mate down who has 'moved on'.

And when was it recently on ebay? The one on Popsike was over a year ago wasn't it?

There were 2 magnetics on Ebay about 5 weeks back

[Guest]

I paid £300 for the Magnetics when Andy Spencer sold up to my knowledge that was the most anyone had paid for a northern record at the time. Dave Knight rang me the same night and said you must be mad its only ever gone for £150 i said ok Dave here's the money go and get me one. looks like i made the right choice

He used to have two of everything,in his ark(50box) including E Parker,allways wandererd why he didnt just sell half of em`,and just get a 25box..................