Old Soul Tunes-new Blood

[Supercorsa]

Does anyone have a tracklisting for the £4.99 CD in Woolies? Also the title would be handy, so that I can pop down my local branch and purchase a copy, thanks.

[Winnie :-)]

surely with the tempo that is in vogue at the moment if anyone gets into the scene they will hit the ground at a walking pace

Davie

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With the other tempo in vogue at the moment, they'll hit the ground 'duck walking'

[Quinvy]

Hi Dan,

This is my point exactly. When did I get agressive in my post? Your reply is agressive because you don't like what I say. I've better things to do than listen to any record for 10 hours. If you can't care less what other people listen to, then do you see a scene in the future if everyone had that type of attitude?

Again, this is why I like Soul Source, 'cos we don't have to agree. I may not agree with your comments above Dan, but as the saying goes, I'll defend your right to make them, cos thats what the scene is all about. But don't tell the new blood what to listen to, or not what to listen to, or they'll go somewhere where they are made more welcome than is sometimes the case on our scene.

In Burnley, my home town, I have seen people not let in to soul nights solely because they were young. Paul has had to personally vouch for them A friendly scene, or a narrow misguided scene that cannot see past next weeks do's?

Hi Brian,

I run Soul Salvation @ Burnley Cricket Club, and Paul and his friends came down very late one night, and got in with no bother. Very few locals have been down, all are welcome. Most of my regulars travel in order to hear the rare and quality music on offer. I'd love to see more locals, especially young un's. Paul's a very nice lad, we have spoken on this forum. What a shame there aren't more like him. Come down Brian, and introduce yourself, I'll be on the door.

Best, Phil.

[Chalky]

now you know i'm not likely to have a go at other venues now don't you?

it's well known that i believe there is too much midtempo and slower played on the soul scene , it is also well known that i believe there isn't enough r'n'b played as i'm not shy in saying so .also while i'm at it i don't believe in playin rare for the sake of it and some underplayed tunes are underplayed because they are shite .

Davie

what stupid statements but coming from someone who prefers Elvis and the Banana Splits to many far superior soul records it doesn't surprise me

most records are underplayed cause there to many dj's all chasing and playing the same records As for R&B it should be in a mod club where it and you belong by the sounds of it, certainly the early stuff and the rock and roll masquerading as soul/northern soul

[Chalky]

not prickly at all mate , but as i say i could easliy mention venues and dj's but i'm personal friends with a lot of them lolol ...

one record i do hate is johnnie mae matthews - i have no choice ...waaaaaaaaaaay too slow

ruby andrews - just loving you is another ,jimmy ricks - oh what a feeling is too slow to be played out also in my opinion , i have it on my mp3 and love it BUT not at a venue

also anything described as a beat ballad is too slow for me , love a lot of them but to play out is just background music for me ...

i've done gigs in venues and apart from me playing upper tempo the rest of the night was rare mid tempo and beat ballads which for me is torture ...

hardly hear JMM these days and can't remember last time I heard Jimmy Ricks played out? Which venues did you hear these at south of the border? Which venue played mid tempo all might apart from your set? I go to enough venues and most of the music played are dancers.

[Winnie :-)]

what stupid statements but coming from someone who prefers Elvis and the Banana Splits to many far superior soul records it doesn't surprise me

most records are underplayed cause there to many dj's all chasing and playing the same records As for R&B it should be in a mod club where it and you belong by the sounds of it, certainly the early stuff and the rock and roll masquerading as soul/northern soul

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Aren't they playing the same records through customer demand Chalks?

Winnie:-)

[Chalky]

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Aren't they playing the same records through customer demand Chalks?

Winnie:-)

not always. isn't it about time some dj's got there own identity and created a diferent demand and not always followed the flock?

[Guest Baz]

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Aren't they playing the same records through customer demand Chalks?

Winnie:-)

I'll refer back to my post in one thread the other week, about playlists, think it was Paul who said he played for the dance floor!

But how is the dancefloor going to know what they want if there fed the same old every time they go out, try this why not drop about 5 lesser knowns in your spot.......if they are proper dancers(the punters i mean) they will dance........dont have to be obsuritys, just good dancers who knows the second thrid or fourth time they hear them it might be the next big 'peterborough sound' you and i both know that 99% of the punters at them do's only go to them do's and no where else!!

Now i've seen you out plenty of times Win and you'll dance to a record because its danceable right! so if the DJ's are spinning the constelations IDKAY ect in all there sets how is the customer going to get familiar with 'new sounds' because lets face it plenty of soulies will only dance to a familiar sound!

[Winnie :-)]

I'll refer back to my post in one thread the other week, about playlists, think it was Paul who said he played for the dance floor!

Now i've seen you out plenty of times Win and you'll dance to a record because its danceable right! so if the DJ's are spinning the constelations IDKAY ect in all there sets how is the customer going to get familiar with 'new sounds' because lets face it plenty of soulies will only dance to a familiar sound!

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You're right I do dance to records because I like them and they're danceable, and I don't differentiate what era/genre they're from, first and foremost they have to be good, well to my ears anyway. But we're not really talking about people who go out every week, because those people in general do have a way of naturally progressing. We're more talking about people just coming onto the scene, and as you say, those out only once a month or so (hasten to add not all) tend to maybe want to hear more familiar sounds to them. I agree about dropping the odd rarer/underplayed record in every so often, I think it's very healthy, but in truth they don't always hit the spot. One man's meat and all that. Personally I think I Don't know about you is overplayed, (still a good record IMO though) but is it to someone who go's out less, and from a personal viewpoint should someone going out less be denied it just because I've heard it a lot?? I don't think so.

Winnie:-)

[Chalky]

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You're right I do dance to records because I like them and they're danceable, and I don't differentiate what era/genre they're from, first and foremost they have to be good, well to my ears anyway. But we're not really talking about people who go out every week, because those people in general do have a way of naturally progressing. We're more talking about people just coming onto the scene, and as you say, those out only once a month or so (hasten to add not all) tend to maybe want to hear more familiar sounds to them. I agree about dropping the odd rarer/underplayed record in every so often, I think it's very healthy, but in truth they don't always hit the spot. One man's meat and all that. Personally I think I Don't know about you is overplayed, (still a good record IMO though) but is it to someone who go's out less, and from a personal viewpoint should someone going out less be denied it just because I've heard it a lot?? I don't think so.

Winnie:-)

whether someone goes out once a week, once a month or every three months...they are gonna hear the Constellations every time they do go out......why settle for this.....it's like playing this weeks top forty in a club for the next 3 or 4 years

I have to disagree with you about those out week in week out naturally progressing, I've seen very little evidence of this at the majority of venues, quite the opposite in fact at most The scene at the moment is pretty stale IMHO with little imagination.

[Guest Baz]

Personally I think I Don't know about you is overplayed, (still a good record IMO though) but is it to someone who go's out less, and from a personal viewpoint should someone going out less be denied it just because I've heard it a lot?? I don't think so.

Winnie:-)

Comes down to the same conclusion again you vote with your feet, and find the nights that suite your own personal taste, plenty of them on

[Winnie :-)]

whether someone goes out once a week, once a month or every three months...they are gonna hear the Constellations every time they do go out......why settle for this.....it's like playing this weeks top forty in a club for the next 3 or 4 years

I have to disagree with you about those out week in week out naturally progressing, I've seen very little evidence of this at the majority of venues, quite the opposite in fact at most The scene at the moment is pretty stale IMHO with little imagination.

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Chalks, unless you've changed tack, you tend to go to more progressive venues most weeks, so how can you know what's going on outside of them. The odd playlist perhaps, but unless you're physically at a venue, it's difficult to get a feel mate. Music isn't the only prerequisite for a good night, some of the venues you're describing may have a blinding atmosphere?

Progression comes from wanting to hear new sounds, if people stay in the same area all the time it's unlikely they will. But that is their choice, and the other side of the coin is what you consider exciting and progressive, they may feel is boring and outside the spirit of northern. Personally I don't think anyone can claim the higher ground here, all we can do is accept to each his/her own and let venues thrive on their merits.

Winnie:-)

[Chalky]

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Chalks, unless you've changed tack, you tend to go to more progressive venues most weeks, so how can you know what's going on outside of them. The odd playlist perhaps, but unless you're physically at a venue, it's difficult to get a feel mate. Music isn't the only prerequisite for a good night, some of the venues you're describing may have a blinding atmosphere?

Progression comes from wanting to hear new sounds, if people stay in the same area all the time it's unlikely they will. But that is their choice, and the other side of the coin is what you consider exciting and progressive, they may feel is boring and outside the spirit of northern. Personally I don't think anyone can claim the higher ground here, all we can do is accept to each his/her own and let venues thrive on their merits.

Winnie:-)

go to all types of venues Win. There aren't always the progressive venues to go to, some that do claim to be progressive offer little by way of choice at times. I also see playlists posted and whilst I agree that doesn't give the full flavour of the night with regards to atmosphere etc, most are confirm my opinions and most are enough to put me off travelling to the venue in question.

[Winnie :-)]

Comes down to the same conclusion again you vote with your feet, and find the nights that suite your own personal taste, plenty of them on

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And that comes back to splitting the scene. Everybody wants it to carry on for as long as possible IMO if we keep going down this is overplayed and this is underplayed routes the scene will implode. This argument has been on here so many times, and I still can't remember a conclusion satisfactory to everyone, can you. The post that kicked it all off was about a 14 year old just finding his feet, maybe some of the records he liked had more commercial value, but he will move on to more progressive sounds if that's the path he wants to take. No amount of pontificating from either the oldies camp or the upfront lobby will change that, the decision to move on is always an individual one. That is why it saddens me to see the divide getting ever bigger, that lad may have nowhere to go in 10 years time.

Winnie:-)

[BrianB]

Hi Brian,

I run Soul Salvation @ Burnley Cricket Club, and Paul and his friends came down very late one night, and got in with no bother. Very few locals have been down, all are welcome. Most of my regulars travel in order to hear the rare and quality music on offer. I'd love to see more locals, especially young un's. Paul's a very nice lad, we have spoken on this forum. What a shame there aren't more like him. Come down Brian, and introduce yourself, I'll be on the door.

Best, Phil.

Hi Phil,

I was with Paul that night. We had been to our works Christmas do and got to the Cricket club very late, but we really enjoyed it. A really good mix, and some cracking new (to me ) sounds. I have not been able to make the last 2 due to other commitments, but I hope to be down in April. I will hopefully bring one or two locals with me, who to be fair, are mainly into oldies, but I told them what guys like you and Steve Cato are doing and they are keen to have a listen.

Thank you for your nice comments about Paul. He wants a scene to attend in the future and he is genuinely concerned that it will not carry on in its present (varied!) format.

[Guest Baz]

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And that comes back to splitting the scene. Everybody wants it to carry on for as long as possible IMO if we keep going down this is overplayed and this is underplayed routes the scene will implode. This argument has been on here so many times, and I still can't remember a conclusion satisfactory to everyone, can you. The post that kicked it all off was about a 14 year old just finding his feet, maybe some of the records he liked had more commercial value, but he will move on to more progressive sounds if that's the path he wants to take. No amount of pontificating from either the oldies camp or the upfront lobby will change that, the decision to move on is always an individual one. That is why it saddens me to see the divide getting ever bigger, that lad may have nowhere to go in 10 years time.

Winnie:-)

Well splitting the scene also comes down to every tom, dick and harry opening up a night with there 'mates' DJing surley if we stopped attending these night that would help? sounds a bit of a negative comment but lets face it, With the amount of watered down do's on all over the country with every one seeming to be a promoter and all his 'mates' on thats not splitting the scene??

[Guest dundeedavie]

what stupid statements but coming from someone who prefers Elvis and the Banana Splits to many far superior soul records it doesn't surprise me

good job i don't care what your opinion of me is really isn't it

as for the banana splits i have no problems playing a tune written by jimmy radcliffe and done by a soul band under a different name , as for the mod club , maybe i do belong there but hey i'll slum it every so often

Davie

[Quinvy]

not always. isn't it about time some dj's got there own identity and created a diferent demand and not always followed the flock?

Hi Chalky,

Heard a story at Middleton on Satuurday night. Didn't get there till late myself, but had it from a very reliable source. During Paul Sadot's spot, he had someone waving a piece of A4 paper at him, with the words "PLAY SOMETHING WE KNOW" written on it.

We all know that Paul tries his utmost to find fresh tunes to play. And I for one know how much it costs in time, effort and money, to put a good spot together, and keep it fresh. No wonder so many get disalusioned and pack it in. This is the reason that I started my own night. I'm not a promoter, and I couldn't give a stuff about making money. But I love this music, and I am providing a haven for like minded soulies. Some people on here have taken offence at my discription of the music we play. But if they haven't been and experianced it, how can they make a judgement. And the most disheartening thing has been lack of support from people who say they want upfront and rare venues. At least if my efforts fail, I will have tried.

Phil.

[Guest dundeedavie]

whether someone goes out once a week, once a month or every three months...they are gonna hear the Constellations every time they do go out......why settle for this.....it's like playing this weeks top forty in a club for the next 3 or 4 years

I have to disagree with you about those out week in week out naturally progressing, I've seen very little evidence of this at the majority of venues, quite the opposite in fact at most The scene at the moment is pretty stale IMHO with little imagination.

now y'see this is something we have always agreed on ...my attitude exactly , i just take it in a different direction to you that's all.

never hurt a bit either

Davie

[Chalky]

good job i don't care what your opinion of me is really isn't it

as for the banana splits i have no problems playing a tune written by jimmy radcliffe and done by a soul band under a different name , as for the mod club , maybe i do belong there but hey i'll slum it every so often

Davie

because a record is written by Jimmy Radcliffe does it make it soul? Ritchie Adams and Carl Spencer also involved in the LP, including the theme song, does it make it soul As I said far more far superior soul/northern soul out there.

now y'see this is something we have always agreed on ...my attitude exactly , i just take it in a different direction to you that's all.

never hurt a bit either

Davie

[Guest dundeedavie]

because a record is written by Jimmy Radcliffe does it make it soul? Ritchie Adams and Carl Spencer also involved in the LP, including the theme song, does it make it soul As I said far more far superior soul/northern soul out there.

i like it , the song "soul " that is , i played it and no one complained at all ... you weren't even there and you complain 3 years after i last played it out .

as for dj's having an identity well you can't argue that i have one for playing what the hell i want to , the fact that you don't like it isn't gonna stop me and let's face it i'm never gonna get booked by anything you are involved in so what difference does it make ?

Davie

[Winnie :-)]

now y'see this is something we have always agreed on ...my attitude exactly , i just take it in a different direction to you that's all.

never hurt a bit either

Davie

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Have either of you stopped to think, if the scene isn't progressing that quickly then maybe the punters don't want it to??

Just for the record, who is to blame punters or promoters. Not meant to be a leading question so if you would rather PM the answer that's fine

Winnie;-)

[Chalky]

i like it , the song "soul " that is , i played it and no one complained at all ... you weren't even there and you complain 3 years after i last played it out .

as for dj's having an identity well you can't argue that i have one for playing what the hell i want to , the fact that you don't like it isn't gonna stop me and let's face it i'm never gonna get booked by anything you are involved in so what difference does it make ?

Davie

I'm glad you do play sumat different, I wish there was more that did and best of luck to you at Basics but you contradict yourself IMO by saying underplayed are underplayed cause they are shite

3 years since you played BS....thought you played it last year, it wasn't 3 years since the last discussion over it.

Edited March 14, 2006 by chalky

[Chalky]

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Have either of you stopped to think, if the scene isn't progressing that quickly then maybe the punters don't want it to??

Just for the record, who is to blame punters or promoters. Not meant to be a leading question so if you would rather PM the answer that's fine

Winnie;-)

I'll reply on here Win I blame both, punters and promoters.

Too many promoters who prefer to sit in the comfort zone and err on the safe side rather than try and introduce unknowns or lesser played. It would be nice if all promoters at least made an effort for the scene to progress a little by asking all who they book to play 3, 4 or even 5 leser played tracks (as Baz says) rather than playing on the safe side and getting big pats on the back for playing safe.

Too many punters all to often want what they know or are comfortable with. Many aren't even prepared to give a record that could be just as good as what they know the time of day which is sad really. This scene IMO can't survive on the likes of the Constellations, it has to change at some stage.

Edited March 14, 2006 by chalky

[Guest dundeedavie]

I'm glad you do play sumat different, I wish there was more that did and best of luck to you at Basics but you contradict yourself IMO by saying underplayed are underplayed cause they are shite

3 years since you played BS....thought you played it last year, it wasn't 3 years since the last discussion over it.

no that was elvis the last discussion after i played it at aberdeen lol ...the banana splits was at the glasgow weekender 3 years back and peters and lee was a mod night in edinburgh a couple of years ago ...

i believe i said SOME underplayed were underplayed because they are shite , if i didn;t say some i apologise because i meant to and yes there are times i will contradict myself as there will be times that i want a mid-tempo half hour and i have danced to jimmy ricks before (at 7am played by paul sadot at the stoke do you dj'd at , in fact i danced to most of your set i think )

so apart from the odd "oddity" we are not that far apart you know and i think that scares ya

[Guest dundeedavie]

I'll reply on here Win I blame both, punters and promoters.

Too many promoters who prefer to sit in the comfort zone and err on the safe side rather than try and introduce unknowns or lesser played. It would be nice if all promoters at least made an effort for the scene to progress a little by asking all who they book to play 3, 4 or even 5 leser played tracks (as Baz says) rather than playing on the safe side and getting big pats on the back for playing safe.

Too many punters all to often want what they know or are comfortable with. Many aren't even prepared to give a record that could be just as good as what they know the time of day which is sad really. This scene IMO can't survive on the likes of the Constellations, it has to change at some stage.

i'd agree totally but i'd also put dj's in there for panicking when a floor isn't rammed and resorting to an oldie to save themselves , not all dj's of course

Davie

[Chalky]

no that was elvis the last discussion after i played it at aberdeen lol ...the banana splits was at the glasgow weekender 3 years back and peters and lee was a mod night in edinburgh a couple of years ago ...

i believe i said SOME underplayed were underplayed because they are shite , if i didn;t say some i apologise because i meant to and yes there are times i will contradict myself as there will be times that i want a mid-tempo half hour and i have danced to jimmy ricks before (at 7am played by paul sadot at the stoke do you dj'd at , in fact i danced to most of your set i think )

so apart from the odd "oddity" we are not that far apart you know and i think that scares ya

kin ell....I forgot about the Peters and Lee

not a lot scares me

i'd agree totally but i'd also put dj's in there for panicking when a floor isn't rammed and resorting to an oldie to save themselves , not all dj's of course

Davie

if a set is planned right, a lesser known will fit in nicely with the common stuff without the punter hardly noticing

[Guest rachel]

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Have either of you stopped to think, if the scene isn't progressing that quickly then maybe the punters don't want it to??

Just for the record, who is to blame punters or promoters. Not meant to be a leading question so if you would rather PM the answer that's fine

Winnie;-)

Some punters want it to and some don't (and promoters too, as I suppose you generally promote the sort of night you'd want to go to), which is why there is this 'split' that you talk about - very hard to please these two groups of people in the same venue/night. Whether that affects the 'survival' of the scene I don't know... as long as there's enough people passionate about both types of night to keep them going then they will, I guess whichever has the most 'support' will carry on longest

i have danced to jimmy ricks before (at 7am played by paul sadot at the stoke do you dj'd at ...

Aww, you beat me to reminding you about that

Edited March 14, 2006 by rachel

[Quinvy]

Hi Phil,

I was with Paul that night. We had been to our works Christmas do and got to the Cricket club very late, but we really enjoyed it. A really good mix, and some cracking new (to me ) sounds. I have not been able to make the last 2 due to other commitments, but I hope to be down in April. I will hopefully bring one or two locals with me, who to be fair, are mainly into oldies, but I told them what guys like you and Steve Cato are doing and they are keen to have a listen.

Thank you for your nice comments about Paul. He wants a scene to attend in the future and he is genuinely concerned that it will not carry on in its present (varied!) format.

No problem Brian, I love to see young people embracing the scene. You will be welcome anytime mate.

[Winnie :-)]

I'll reply on here Win I blame both, punters and promoters.

Too many promoters who prefer to sit in the comfort zone and err on the safe side rather than try and introduce unknowns or lesser played. It would be nice if all promoters at least made an effort for the scene to progress a little by asking all who they book to play 3, 4 or even 5 leser played tracks (as Baz says) rather than playing on the safe side and getting big pats on the back for playing safe.

Too many punters all to often want what they know or are comfortable with. Many aren't even prepared to give a record that could be just as good as what they know the time of day which is sad really. This scene IMO can't survive on the likes of the Constellations, it has to change at some stage.

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The problem I always have with this underplayed/overplayed malarkey is who decides. You have an extensive knowledge of records played on the scene, far more extensive than your average soulie, but in fairness that is your bag as it were. So for you a lot of things would be overplayed. I may not have heard them as often, or they didn't register, plus I had a long time off the scene bringing up kids, so to me they could be fresh still, do we agree on that? Another thing to factor in, I don't particularly care about the origins of a record, I know what makes me want to dance, but I have very little interest in the background. And I think that's one of the major differences between the average soulie, and people such as yourself, you thirst for knowledge and once learnt you want to move on, but you are always ready to learn. I'm not, for me what I like comes over a period of time, there's no rush on my part, if I remember the name of a record all well and good, if I don't ......oh well never mind. I'm not trying to detract from your status/position re: the scene, just trying to say we all have different priorities and none of us are a 100% right or wrong. When I go to a venue and can no longer show my appreciation by dancing, I think that will almost definitely be it for me, because I honestly can't envisage a time when I will yearn to learn. Again I'm not saying your outlook is wrong, just saying mine is different.

If I've failed to explain myself properly, apologies, no offence is intended

Winnie:-)

[Winnie :-)]

Some punters want it to and some don't (and promoters too, as I suppose you generally promote the sort of night you'd want to go to), which is why there is this 'split' that you talk about - very hard to please these two groups of people in the same venue/night. Whether that affects the 'survival' of the scene I don't know... as long as there's enough people passionate about both types of night to keep them going then they will, I guess whichever has the most 'support' will carry on longest

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Having read what Baz put re: watering down of the scene, I can see where both of you are coming from. I kind of looked at it as the 'upfront' crowd's baby, because they in general are far more vociferous about the state of the scene, but on reflection maybe it's an equal thing. More and more venues playing a specific style ie: oldies only, will also cause the scene problems and I guess promoters (oldies venues) are just as happy to see people going seperate ways if their venue thrives, they just don't comment as much.

Winnie:-)

[Guest dundeedavie]

Aww, you beat me to reminding you about that

thats why i done it

kin ell....I forgot about the Peters and Lee

not a lot scares me

if a set is planned right, a lesser known will fit in nicely with the common stuff without the punter hardly noticing

will it have the same effect though, wouldn't you want the lesser played to stand out as opposed to going almost unnoticed , ....

hard to explain but i think you'll know what i mean

Davie

[Guest BOO BOO]

good job i don't care what your opinion of me is really isn't it

as for the banana splits i have no problems playing a tune written by jimmy radcliffe and done by a soul band under a different name , as for the mod club , maybe i do belong there but hey i'll slum it every so often

Davie

OUT OF INTEREST HOW LONG HAVE YOU ACTUALY BEEN ON THE RARE/NORTHERN SOUL SCENE, AND I DONT MEAN SOME WEE MOD CLUB IN THE CITY CENTRE PLAYING TO A GROUP OF TRENDIES OR STUDENTS WHO DONT GIVE A *UCK AS LONG AS ITS GOT A BEAT.

AS FOR ANOTHER QUOTE OF YOURS.- FOR ME A GOOD DJ IS SOMEONE WHO CAN PLAY FOR THE CROWD AFTER ALL THEY ARE THE ONES PAYING THE MONEY TO COME AND DANCE. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY RECORDS THAT YOU LOVE BUT TO A CROWD OFF PUNTERS GO DOWN LIKE A LEAD BALLOON, THEN INVITE SOME FRIENDS ROUND AND DANCE YOUR WEE COTTEN SOCKS OFF. AS FOR OLDIES YES THERE IS OVER PLAYED ONES BUT THEY ARE THE MUSIC THAT BUILT THE SCENE AND WILL ALWAYS BE THERE. I WOULD RATHER GO AND HERE TOP TUNES RATHER THAN SOME LATIN OR R&B SHITE!

OH AND COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER THE FIRST BIT OF MY RANT,

[Guest Baz]

Having read what Baz put re: watering down of the scene, I can see where both of you are coming from. I kind of looked at it as the 'upfront' crowd's baby, because they in general are far more vociferous about the state of the scene, but on reflection maybe it's an equal thing. More and more venues playing a specific style ie: oldies only, will also cause the scene problems and I guess promoters (oldies venues) are just as happy to see people going seperate ways if their venue thrives, they just don't comment as much.

Winnie:-)

I wouldn't say more vociferous, IMO its the people who want the 'things we know' who are the more vocal about it (at a venue anyway) like Phil (Quinvy) just said some one holding up a bit of paper with said words on it......Who the f*ck are they to say that, i herd it plenty of times at venues more locally too, OK there is proberly more on here that voice there opinions about wanting somthing new, hell i dont care if its 'upfront' all night or not, take Middleton on Sat for example plenty of classics, and plenty of new to me sounds played all night, i had a good dance most of the night and it was great.

Maybe its the promoters that should take a look at the current climate and book people that can play a bit of every thing not because there playing the same spot as tom dick and harry and can fill the floor, with the same tried and tested tunes every week and getting loads of reconition for it too.

[Winnie :-)]

I wouldn't say more vociferous, IMO its the people who want the 'things we know' who are the more vocal about it (at a venue anyway) like Phil (Quinvy) just said some one holding up a bit of paper with said words on it......Who the f*ck are they to say that, i herd it plenty of times at venues more locally too, OK there is proberly more on here that voice there opinions about wanting somthing new, hell i dont care if its 'upfront' all night or not, take Middleton on Sat for example plenty of classics, and plenty of new to me sounds played all night, i had a good dance most of the night and it was great.

Maybe its the promoters that should take a look at the current climate and book people that can play a bit of every thing not because there playing the same spot as tom dick and harry and can fill the floor, with the same tried and tested tunes every week and getting loads of reconition for it too.

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But we're not at a venue Baz, we're chewing the fat on SS, and in my view the 'upfront' posse are far more vocal on here, nothing wrong with that, but it does appear to be a fact

[Guest Baz]

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But we're not at a venue Baz, we're chewing the fat on SS, and in my view the 'upfront' posse are far more vocal on here, nothing wrong with that, but it does appear to be a fact

Proberly because there is more on here that want it than dont? not saying every one should play unknowns all the time, there just needs to be a bit more of a verity in venues IMO

Or is it just the dinosaurs still trying to re-live the 'heydays' still dont want to move on and not discovered a computer yet (just a joke BTW befor i get bombbarded with hate mail)

[Dave]

OUT OF INTEREST HOW LONG HAVE YOU ACTUALY BEEN ON THE RARE/NORTHERN SOUL SCENE, AND I DONT MEAN SOME WEE MOD CLUB IN THE CITY CENTRE PLAYING TO A GROUP OF TRENDIES OR STUDENTS WHO DONT GIVE A *UCK AS LONG AS ITS GOT A BEAT.

AS FOR ANOTHER QUOTE OF YOURS.- FOR ME A GOOD DJ IS SOMEONE WHO CAN PLAY FOR THE CROWD AFTER ALL THEY ARE THE ONES PAYING THE MONEY TO COME AND DANCE. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY RECORDS THAT YOU LOVE BUT TO A CROWD OFF PUNTERS GO DOWN LIKE A LEAD BALLOON, THEN INVITE SOME FRIENDS ROUND AND DANCE YOUR WEE COTTEN SOCKS OFF. AS FOR OLDIES YES THERE IS OVER PLAYED ONES BUT THEY ARE THE MUSIC THAT BUILT THE SCENE AND WILL ALWAYS BE THERE. I WOULD RATHER GO AND HERE TOP TUNES RATHER THAN SOME LATIN OR R&B SHITE!

OH AND COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER THE FIRST BIT OF MY RANT,

No need to shout!

Don't quite see the relevance of how long he's been on the scene really

[Dave]

Maybe its the promoters that should take a look at the current climate and book people that can play a bit of every thing not because there playing the same spot as tom dick and harry and can fill the floor, with the same tried and tested tunes every week and getting loads of reconition for it too.

Good point there Baz... I often wonder whats the point in having 4 or 5 DJs at some of the events we go to when they've all got the same records?

I was double decking with a guy a few months back and he played Gayle Adams or similar. My expression must have given away my dislike for the record and he said "Oh, I don't like this... I just bought it to DJ with".

Must tell us something?

[Guest dundeedavie]

OUT OF INTEREST HOW LONG HAVE YOU ACTUALY BEEN ON THE RARE/NORTHERN SOUL SCENE, AND I DONT MEAN SOME WEE MOD CLUB IN THE CITY CENTRE PLAYING TO A GROUP OF TRENDIES OR STUDENTS WHO DONT GIVE A *UCK AS LONG AS ITS GOT A BEAT.

AS FOR ANOTHER QUOTE OF YOURS.- FOR ME A GOOD DJ IS SOMEONE WHO CAN PLAY FOR THE CROWD AFTER ALL THEY ARE THE ONES PAYING THE MONEY TO COME AND DANCE. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY RECORDS THAT YOU LOVE BUT TO A CROWD OFF PUNTERS GO DOWN LIKE A LEAD BALLOON, THEN INVITE SOME FRIENDS ROUND AND DANCE YOUR WEE COTTEN SOCKS OFF. AS FOR OLDIES YES THERE IS OVER PLAYED ONES BUT THEY ARE THE MUSIC THAT BUILT THE SCENE AND WILL ALWAYS BE THERE. I WOULD RATHER GO AND HERE TOP TUNES RATHER THAN SOME LATIN OR R&B SHITE!

OH AND COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER THE FIRST BIT OF MY RANT,

ooooh pick on me time ..... 20 years thanks , first allnighter was st k's in aberdeen in 1986 aged 15 , that ok with you?

the second bit , i do play records i love to a crowd of punters , erm don't go down like a lead ballon though thankfully and the club is going great .

the latin and r&b shite bit , entirely your opinion mate and i would never knock it , your not the only one who doesn't like what i like and the world isn't a sadder place for it either .

Davie

Edited March 14, 2006 by dundeedavie

[Guest ShaneH]

OUT OF INTEREST HOW LONG HAVE YOU ACTUALY BEEN ON THE RARE/NORTHERN SOUL SCENE, AND I DONT MEAN SOME WEE MOD CLUB IN THE CITY CENTRE PLAYING TO A GROUP OF TRENDIES OR STUDENTS WHO DONT GIVE A *UCK AS LONG AS ITS GOT A BEAT.

AS FOR ANOTHER QUOTE OF YOURS.- FOR ME A GOOD DJ IS SOMEONE WHO CAN PLAY FOR THE CROWD AFTER ALL THEY ARE THE ONES PAYING THE MONEY TO COME AND DANCE. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY RECORDS THAT YOU LOVE BUT TO A CROWD OFF PUNTERS GO DOWN LIKE A LEAD BALLOON, THEN INVITE SOME FRIENDS ROUND AND DANCE YOUR WEE COTTEN SOCKS OFF. AS FOR OLDIES YES THERE IS OVER PLAYED ONES BUT THEY ARE THE MUSIC THAT BUILT THE SCENE AND WILL ALWAYS BE THERE. I WOULD RATHER GO AND HERE TOP TUNES RATHER THAN SOME LATIN OR R&B SHITE!

OH AND COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER THE FIRST BIT OF MY RANT,

calm it down please.

personal attacks not welcome on here.

Shane

[Winnie :-)]

Proberly because there is more on here that want it than dont? not saying every one should play unknowns all the time, there just needs to be a bit more of a verity in venues IMO

Or is it just the dinosaurs still trying to re-live the 'heydays' still dont want to move on and not discovered a computer yet (just a joke BTW befor i get bombbarded with hate mail)

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That's true, and I wasn't saying that's a bad thing, just explaining how the argument/debate can appear unbalanced because of it. I also agree that at a venue the vast majority albeit silent on here, want familiar sounds, again not a bad thing IMO.

We may be dinosaurs but you 'upfront boys/girls' are positively neanderthal at times

Winnie:-)

PS. As Baz said the last line not to be taken seriously please

[Winnie :-)]

ooooh pick on me time ..... 20 years thanks , first allnighter was st k's in aberdeen in 1986 aged 15 , that ok with you?

Davie

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That can't be right, that would only make you 35, you sure it wasn't 30 years ago?...................

No need to shout!

Don't quite see the relevance of how long he's been on the scene really

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Agree with you I couldn't see the relevance either

Winnie:-)

[Guest dundeedavie]

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That can't be right, that would only make you 35, you sure it wasn't 30 years ago?...................

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Winnie:-)

thank you so much winnie but yes i am only 35 despite my obvious grown up attitude that i exude

[Guest Dan]

it's all oldies now because everything is an oldie (most things have been played somewhere and some time, law of diminishing discoveries in a 35+ year scene).

live and let live is the only way.

several dos round my way, total oldies-fests (people announcing, literally, 'and this was a big 'un at wigan...which goes...something...like...this.').

packed dance floors but no atmosphere for me, somehow. so anyway, i just don't go to those places.

the perfect night for me is somewhere where all my own favourite tracks get played, where 50% of the rest of the tunes get me going 'i know this....who is it? er...go on...i love you thingy...why did you etc etc...no, can't remember it' and the rest have me going 'i don't know this but it's good'.

but like winnie the days of remembering them, or caring that i can't, are long gone

sadly, there is literally nowhere within 30 miles of me playing this sort of stuff, at least not where they don't all have two heads.