Northernjordan Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Ok, at bit of a beginers question. But i am curious, how many plays does a piece off vinyl actually last for? lets assume its a near mint record, well looked after and using a good quality needle. How many plays would you get before you can start hearing a deteriation in the sound quality? jordan Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MrsWoodsrules Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Bob Beamon's has lasted since 1968 Aid. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Geeselad Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 good topic but havent a clue, I've always wondered how long vinyl/ styrene would take to deteriate without playing too. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tezza Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Bob Beamon's has lasted since 1968 Aid. Genius !! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northernjordan Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 i was expecting the jokes... But how many hours of playing time does a typical record last? I assume there must have been some form of QC tests or spec to meet at the time? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sweeney Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Bob Beamon's has lasted since 1968 Aid. Sadly Mike Powell broke it in 1991. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Haydn Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Havent heard any news of QC on records. Audiokarma forum had same request fyi. https://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=213982 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paultp Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I think there's too many variables to come up with a standard time that a record will last. Needle condition is probably the most important but there is also the standard of pressing, material the record is made of, tone arm weight, anti-skate setting, condition of player generally, handling of record, storage conditions. One play on a crap deck with a poor stylus can ruin a record. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter Richer Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Sadly Mike Powell broke it in 1991. Quite right. Credit to Mike Powell and that terrific long jump competition at the world championships in Tokyo (where he had to break the record to win the title). Mike has now held the record for almost as long as Bob Beamon did. Shame to ruin an almost funny joke with facts though. Although, of course, being a GB athletics fan, perhaps the answer should be 17 years ... in tribute to Jonathan Edwards! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Geeselad Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I think there's too many variables to come up with a standard time that a record will last. Needle condition is probably the most important but there is also the standard of pressing, material the record is made of, tone arm weight, anti-skate setting, condition of player generally, handling of record, storage conditions. One play on a crap deck with a poor stylus can ruin a record. old style stylus's are a killer and with cause needle hiss off one back cue. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Geeselad Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 cant believe there so little info on this around. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
sir cumference Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Thought CD`s were invented to save our vinyl? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Ok, at bit of a beginers question. But i am curious, how many plays does a piece off vinyl actually last for? lets assume its a near mint record, well looked after and using a good quality needle. How many plays would you get before you can start hearing a deteriation in the sound quality? jordan Well the answer is that a record will last forever if it's looked after. I've got mint condition records that are over 50 years old. IF you're going to put it under laboratory conditions then of course you'll hear deterioration but if a record is handled properly and a decent stylus used, it will outlive you.. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Denbo Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 If handled properly, using a decent stylus, balanced correctly and all that, probably the whole of your lifetime. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Spacehopper Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 longer than a cd...in my experience! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Len Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Records are extremely robust - I have had the same nail (needle) in my record player at home for years, it just needs a wipe every so often, when there gets so much fluff build up that it slides across the record All the best, Len Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northernjordan Posted November 23, 2012 Author Share Posted November 23, 2012 Im not worried my records are suddly going to wear out... Its just my Dad is being quite reluctant to let me listen to some of his records, to be fair alot of them are not that valuable compared to some you see on here and ebay. I quite enjoy listyening to them as there is a lot thats new to my ears or not played much out any more as they have lost favour. But his excuse is that they will only last so many plays. So i can now combat his arguement! I have two decent stanton turntables with good stanton needles in. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Andy Kempster Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 i would say he is just being protective of his precious vinyl, promise not to backwind, check your needles and keep them in the same condition he is obviously very proud of then there shouldnt be a problem with you playing, records are for sharing not coveting, you obviously have decent kit so i dont see the harm Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Citizen P Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Records are extremely robust - I have had the same nail (needle) in my record player at home for years, it just needs a wipe every so often, when there gets so much fluff build up that it slides across the record All the best, Len Which leads to a question I've never had an answer to. IF styli are manufactured from Diamond, how does playing soft vinyl wear them out ??? Tony Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Nick Harrison Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 45's - Vinyl burns better but styrene is rather popular for ring and stylus burn. LP's have a greater shelve life !! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ceejay Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Well the answer is that a record will last forever if it's looked after. I've got mint condition records that are over 50 years old. IF you're going to put it under laboratory conditions then of course you'll hear deterioration but if a record is handled properly and a decent stylus used, it will outlive you.. Totally agree............................I've still got records my Dad collected which are 50+ years old....................stilll in near mint condition and still play brilliantly. Also got records from the 50's in my own personal collection that play perfectly!!!! Long live vinyl!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest sharmo 1 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 This is a good question a vinyl record looked after properly should last forever I've got some 78's that are 60 plus and play like mint although i need to make sure there not dropped !! or used for target practice with my grandaughters air rifle!! Styrene is a much less denser material than p.v.c and will wear out and can crack or shatter when dropped .studio acetates are best handled less frequently although not made for long term use.It's also a good point to remember that record company's were making these thing's for a quick sale and offered no guarentee's of longivity regards Tony Soaper. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Len Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) Which leads to a question I've never had an answer to. IF styli are manufactured from Diamond, how does playing soft vinyl wear them out ??? Tony Good question....I don't know the answer, I'm afraid. All the best, Len Edited November 24, 2012 by LEN Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Len Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) i would say he is just being protective of his precious vinyl, promise not to backwind, check your needles and keep them in the same condition he is obviously very proud of then there shouldnt be a problem with you playing, records are for sharing not coveting, you obviously have decent kit so i dont see the harm Why does backwinding a record damage it? I sometimes do that when lining up a record and haven't had any problems so far, but I'm aware this can cause 'burn' - So how does backwind cause this? - You've just reminded me, I really shouldn't do it. All the best, Len Edited November 24, 2012 by LEN Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Why does backwinding a record damage it? I sometimes do that when lining up a record and haven't had any problems so far, but I'm aware this can cause 'burn' - So how does backwind cause this? - You've just reminded me, I really shouldn't do it. All the best, Len Len look at a stylus under a magnifying glass Len, then you'll see why... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Barry Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Thinking about it....if each play of a record reduces it's lifetime....then playing OVO is slowly killing the scene. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Len Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Len look at a stylus under a magnifying glass Len, then you'll see why... Ok, will do....God, I'm sad! - Actually, I think I've worked it out - I suspect, it's pointing one way slightly. All the best, Len 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Len Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) Thinking about it....if each play of a record reduces it's lifetime....then playing OVO is slowly killing the scene. But why do you say that? I think it's down to personal choice - People pay their hard earned, blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah,blah :lol: :lol: Sorry, I have a 'reaction' as soon as 'O.V.O' is mentioned All the best, Len Edited November 24, 2012 by LEN Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Barry Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 But why do you say that? I think it's down to personal choice - People pay their hard earned, blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah,blah :lol: :lol: Sorry, I have a 'reaction' as soon as 'O.V.O' is mentioned All the best, Len I have an noticeable tic come on when 'it' rears 'it's' head Len. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Matt Male Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Interesting question. I'd say the short answer is that they were never intended to last for ever. When pressed and sold they were disposable consumables only intended to last a few months until kids bought the next hit from the charts and moved on, remember those pictures of girls in the 50s with 45s out of their sleeves scattered over the floor of a bedroom? It's pure chance they managed to produce something that survived and has stood the test of time Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulman58 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I think that anyone who attempted to find out ended up walking around a padded cell talking to themselves. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Barry Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Just been reading how plastics bio-degrade and it seems that it can be anywhere between 500 years and ten thousand. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kev John Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Who cares how long a record lasts for as long i'ts a good toooooooooooooooon!!!!!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Geordiejohnson Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) Well the answer is that a record will last forever if it's looked after. I've got mint condition records that are over 50 years old. IF you're going to put it under laboratory conditions then of course you'll hear deterioration but if a record is handled properly and a decent stylus used, it will outlive you.. Not far off pete my 10 years in working with degradable polymers into this this has put me in good stead as to how long average polymers Could last and i say this lightly as we'll all be dead... it does depend on the polymer used etc etc .... you can see vinyl roofs on cars rotting after 10 years due to uv exposure, the thinner grades PE LDPE Etc (plastic carrier bags) could last about 400 years they reckon.... anything that is carbon black seems to disintegrate faster probably due to the fact black absorbs heat better, also exposure to certain materials can wreck polymers... Liners that are used for landfill (bloody big thick plastic sheets made of high density polymers HDPE) have been found to be rotting due to exposure to certain shampoos and bootpolish But it is thought that a basic record could last tens of thousands of years kept in the right conditions. Professor Norman Billingham of Sussex university is a bloody whizz with all this he'd probably write a thesis 9he is a macro molecular polymer professor Trick is dont shine them up with boot polish, keep em out of the light, dont wash them in detergent and who knows it could well be MR SPOCK got a groovy littel tune from the past its the snake by al wilson........make it so Geeooooordie Edited February 18, 2013 by geordiejohnson Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 About five fecking minutes if it's one of Swifty's records. Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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