Poll - Your Black Music Preferences - New Questions Added

[Barry]

no probs Barry

understand that was a quick off the cuff affair

just commented on the site stuff as it can start getting a bit messy if not careful

Understood.

[Soul16]

Even though it's a relatively small Poll, the age-related statistics are exactly what we would expect I guess, with the vast majority of us being over 50.

I'm 49 years old, with two sons, who, no matter how much I try to brainwash/educate them, have little or no interest in Northern Soul.

It makes you wonder what will happen to the NS scene and our valuable record collections in thirty or forty years time, because we can't take them with us...

I can't see myself selling them anytime soon either.

[Tezza]

Then why is ska and reggae starting to appear at some soul venues often in second rooms then? Or did I dream that up?

Its probably offered up to get more people through the door and so swell the coffers.

Its all about the Ching Ching !!!

[Tezza]

What if you are 55. Do you click 50 - 55 or 55 - 60 ??

Only being 21 this doesn't effect me !!!!

[Barry]

What if you are 55. Do you click 50 - 55 or 55 - 60 ??

Only being 21 this doesn't effect me !!!!

What if you are 55. Do you click 50 - 55 or 55 - 60 ??

Only being 21 this doesn't effect me !!!!

I'd go low if it were me.

[TOAD]

Its probably offered up to get more people through the door and so swell the coffers.

Its all about the Ching Ching !!!

not true theres a lot of free events ie Free

[Tezza]

not true theres a lot of free events ie Free

You're fooling yourself Toad.

We are talking a majority of these events. There are a few 'free events' in every genre of music but the Big Boys don't do it out of love.

When they started playing Ska at The Casino it was out of 'punter pressure' but they were not Soul Boys they were the skins/suedes. Young and impressionable types went with the flow but a swathe of 'old timers' stayed true to their roots and beliefs.

Hate Ska and it has no place in Soul venues. We can argue over Roots etc but its not for me and many others

[Jordirip]

You're fooling yourself Toad.

We are talking a majority of these events. There are a few 'free events' in every genre of music but the Big Boys don't do it out of love.

When they started playing Ska at The Casino it was out of 'punter pressure' but they were not Soul Boys they were the skins/suedes. Young and impressionable types went with the flow but a swathe of 'old timers' stayed true to their roots and beliefs.

Hate Ska and it has no place in Soul venues. We can argue over Roots etc but its not for me and many others

Ska at the Casino?!! I don't remember that. Was that a one off or a regular occurance? I never heard of that happening at the time. ('78 - end)

[Tezza]

Ska at the Casino?!! I don't remember that. Was that a one off or a regular occurance? I never heard of that happening at the time. ('78 - end)

Yes, not out and out sessions but on a regular basis. Came and went but was a part.

Edited November 26, 2012 by Tezza

[TOAD]

thats it tezza have a good rant Only one blue beat 45 was played and that was prince buster by russ ! I was just pointing out a fact that there are free reggae nights !

[Tezza]

thats it tezza have a good rant Only one blue beat 45 was played and that was prince buster by russ ! I was just pointing out a fact that there are free reggae nights !

My bad Toad, off the Soap Box with a hanging head !!

Lots more than that me thinks. Was a little invasive for a while ( not on a massive scale though)

[TOAD]

was it at the MOD nighter/s then ? As i only heard one record ONCE. Yes i own up i danced to it

[Tezza]

No, big room Saturday Night.

Played Edwin Starr - Contact, some quite dire stuff.

If you were a Casino regular you know it wasn't all 100mph Stompers with a floor full of backdrops and acrobatics. It hurt bad some nights

I did the tour but didn't hear every record every night. Too many people assume that because they didn't see The Holocaust it didn't happen.

[MikeHinNewJersey]

Even though it's a relatively small Poll, the age-related statistics are exactly what we would expect I guess, with the vast majority of us being over 50.

I'm 49 years old, with two sons, who, no matter how much I try to brainwash/educate them, have little or no interest in Northern Soul.

It makes you wonder what will happen to the NS scene and our valuable record collections in thirty or forty years time, because we can't take them with us...

I can't see myself selling them anytime soon either.

My thoughts exactly....what the hell am I gonna do with my collection ah sod it.....let me wife and kids worry about it after I'm gone

[Barry]

My thoughts exactly....what the hell am I gonna do with my collection ah sod it.....let me wife and kids worry about it after I'm gone

Hi Mike - good to see you about mate.

[Robbk]

Should have included a section or inclusion in a section for the classic blues artists such as the mighty voiced Howling Wolf and the king bb,Otis Smith etc with musicianshipship and voices to drip emotion at every note.

Yes! '30s-'50s Blues (both City and Delta. And '50s Vocal Group Harmony, and '40s and '50s R&B. and '40s-'60s Gospel and Afro-latin Jazz, and Avant Garde Jazz, and Be Bop. Having only '60s Soul on my choices was quite restraining.

[Barry]

Yes! '30s-'50s Blues (both City and Delta. And '50s Vocal Group Harmony, and '40s and '50s R&B. and '40s-'60s Gospel and Afro-latin Jazz, and Avant Garde Jazz, and Be Bop. Having only '60s Soul on my choices was quite restraining.

[Robbk]

[Barry]

And here's me thinking you were gonna get all hard-ass on me Robb

[John Reed]

It makes you wonder what will happen to the NS scene and our valuable record collections in thirty or forty years time, because we can't take them with us...

I can't see myself selling them anytime soon either.

Don't worry about what the NS scene will be in the future as there's no reason for anyone to try and leave any sort of legacy, just enjoy it now. Also for your records, don’t worry about them losing value in the future, hopefully they’ll still give you pleasure whatever their value, that’s what record buying’s all about, isn’t it?

Edited November 29, 2012 by John Reed

[Steve Foran]

Even though it's a relatively small Poll, the age-related statistics are exactly what we would expect I guess, with the vast majority of us being over 50.

I'm 49 years old, with two sons, who, no matter how much I try to brainwash/educate them, have little or no interest in Northern Soul.

It makes you wonder what will happen to the NS scene and our valuable record collections in thirty or forty years time, because we can't take them with us...

I can't see myself selling them anytime soon either.

Have a similar thing here re sons not into music. 16 year old plays electric guitar and likes Nickelback, Linkinpark. No likey northern.

Eldest is 24 strolls in an announced Frank Wilson had died, so I said who is FW then he started singing DILY. Still me and his mum did meet at WC in 76.

Really into rave and dance scene to be fair.

Still me and our Karen (sis) went to WC and Sean (bro) went to Stafford,Buzzard and 100 club as he is younger. Matter of interest mum wants Deon Jackson CD for xmas.

[Back Street Blue]

Even though it's a relatively small Poll, the age-related statistics are exactly what we would expect I guess, with the vast majority of us being over 50.

I'm 49 years old, with two sons, who, no matter how much I try to brainwash/educate them, have little or no interest in Northern Soul.

It makes you wonder what will happen to the NS scene and our valuable record collections in thirty or forty years time, because we can't take them with us...

I can't see myself selling them anytime soon either.

I've managed to brainwash my two step-daughters who are early twenties and my fourteen year old daughter, simply by constantly playing my stuff in the car!

Trouble is, although they can sing a long word for word, vinyl will never be their medium of choice as they are from "the down load generation".

There does seem to be a growing interest in the scene among the young uns though, even if they are in the minority in their demographic. Maybe they will become "the chosen few" of their generation?

[Daveyboy66]

Thing I find interesting about this is the results of the age of the voters - the biggest percentage is from the 50+ section - which is exactly what we have been saying all along, we're the last of a dying breed and going by the rest of the figures, there's not going to be enough people to replace us when we've gone.

but surely us coffin dodgers would have started with 60s soul and encompassed and listened to all the other categories...it's all black music innit!

Dave Hill

[Robbk]

but surely us coffin dodgers would have started with 60s soul and encompassed and listened to all the other categories...it's all black music innit!

Dave Hill

I started listening to my parents' Jazz, Blues and R&B 78s from the late '30s, '40s and beginning of the '50s, and, naturally progressed through the '50s in real time (being exposed to the '50s Black music while working in my uncle's store on The South Side of Chicago during summers). I progressed into the '60s and from R&B to Soul. I didn't move into the '70s with anything but Jazz. The Soul became either too funky, or the sweet Soul too formulaic and having a synthetic sound with synthesizer/keyboard replacing acoustical instruments.

But, yes. I thought it was very strange during the '70s that Northern "Soulies" liked only "stompers", and didn't like mid-tempo Soul(Beach and Popcorn) and ballads, and deep Southern Soul, and Gospel and City Blues, Chicago and Delta Blues. Now, Soulies finally have much wider taste.

And many of them like '70s and "Modern Soul", which I don't like all that much.

[Daveyboy66]

I started listening to my parents' Jazz, Blues and R&B 78s from the late '30s, '40s and beginning of the '50s, and, naturally progressed through the '50s in real time (being exposed to the '50s Black music while working in my uncle's store on The South Side of Chicago during summers). I progressed into the '60s and from R&B to Soul. I didn't move into the '70s with anything but Jazz. The Soul became either too funky, or the sweet Soul too formulaic and having a synthetic sound with synthesizer/keyboard replacing acoustical instruments.

But, yes. I thought it was very strange during the '70s that Northern "Soulies" liked only "stompers", and didn't like mid-tempo Soul(Beach and Popcorn) and ballads, and deep Southern Soul, and Gospel and City Blues, Chicago and Delta Blues. Now, Soulies finally have much wider taste.

And many of them like '70s and "Modern Soul", which I don't like all that much.

I think you may be generalising too much Robb. The majority of the guys I hung around with might have wanted to get off their tits and dance to stompers whilst at nighters...after all it was the Wheel, Torch, Casino era etc but that only gave us a thirst to explore all black music including blues, do wop, funk etc. I had this conversation about this recently about us old fogies hating everything that wasn't northern soul and had to remind him that we WERE listening to to likes of Sam Dees, Doris Duke, Benny Latimore and people like Junior Wells and Buddy Guy as anyone who travelled back from various venues with us in the 70s will tell you. Modern Soul was what we listened to at home. Just because we preferred the old stompers at nighters didn't mean that we could be pigeonholed that easily...it was and is just a small part of our education...and its still going on.

Dave

Cue someone asking me about having to listen to Quadrophenia and Hendrix when coming back with Ray Hudson from any venue...lol

[Guest gordon russell]

PAUL ANKA

HELEN SHAPIRO

BOBBY GOLDSBORO

[Robbk]

Ah yes, "The Soulful Sounds of Helen Shapiro"! Well, I guess it Margaret Whiting can have a Northern soul hit..........

[Pete S]

Ah yes, "The Soulful Sounds of Helen Shapiro"! Well, I guess it Margaret Whiting can have a Northern soul hit..........

Nobody's saying Helen Shapiro is a soul singer but she went on to become a very noted jazz and gospel singer.

She had a brilliant deep voice.

[Robbk]

Nobody's saying Helen Shapiro is a soul singer but she went on to become a very noted jazz and gospel singer.

She had a brilliant deep voice.

Nobody's saying Helen Shapiro is a soul singer but she went on to become a very noted jazz and gospel singer.

She had a brilliant deep voice.

Yes. And I didn't say that she wasn't a talented singer. I just implied that if non-Soul singer, Margaret Whiting (a la Paul Anka) can have a NS hit, then, I suppose, Helen Shapiro could conceivably, have one too. I was referring to the time of the "stompers", when anyone singing over a fast instrumental of a given "proper" beat, could have a NS hit.

[Guest GARV]

I voted for, A bit of it all , i am, 50- 55 & yes. Barry, i know its a bit of fun but do you hope to get anything useful from the poll?

[Robbk]

I think Barry already answered that. Not enough members are posting on here to tell him much.

[Barry]

I voted for, A bit of it all , i am, 50- 55 & yes. Barry, i know its a bit of fun but do you hope to get anything useful from the poll?

It was just a bit of fun yes but it has been interesting across the two polls I think mate.