Guest Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 What opinions on this, the wax was described only as "G" and the labels had writing on ? Up untill the mid 1980's this record was another "forgotten" and like most of the classic NS ,had reached rock bottom on interest and value (I saw it still listed at £8) How rare it really was,is difficult to say,looking back on it now,but even in the seventies Soul Bowl had them I think,at £3. Ok time moves on and 35 years later it's still in demand,what would a mint - issue or demo go for now ? And why (without naming the faces ) the (still) huge disparity between US prices and UK pounds ......? Rob. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Foran Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Jeez I was thinking about that as well. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 2k+ for a nice original......so if the copy played ok maybe the price was fair 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
NEV Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 In the words of Greavsie " Raresoul ,it's a funny old game " 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 2k+ for a nice original......so if the copy played ok maybe the price was fair Thanks for your opinion Dave , so you really "believe" these prices.... ? You really, think this is "rare" ....? And the 2k you mention is that $ ot £ "value" ? ( is that for a issue or demo ? ) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 It's mega rare and always has been IMO. Soul Bowl has never had this @ £3.00 to my knowledge. I've never ever found one and only seen a couple in 40 odd years, so that's pretty rare to me....... Ian D 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I think the £3 copies were the plain label boots. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Trev Thomas Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 in 30 years of collecting i have only seen around 20 / 30 copies of this record, either in the flesh or on sales lists / internet, hed the chance to buy a couple in the 80's but like a plank i declined they were priced at £100 and £75 respectivley, a bloody hard record to get, if i had the money i would have had that one off ebay, i personally think whoever won it got a pretty good deal 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Combinations - I'm gonna make you love me - G condition just gone through at $1748.69 Lillie might have been a decent price after all Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 i bought an issue in the late 80's cost 100 then Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Stanley Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 sold my mint- demo of lillie bryant for 1300 pounds no other takers, now the combinations - i,m gonna make you love me, that is rare and a fantastic tune Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Davetay Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 It was always a hard one to get. I sold Greety a WD in 79 for £80 or there-abouts. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Trev Thomas Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 i bought an issue in the late 80's cost 100 then i rest my case Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Trev Thomas Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 It was always a hard one to get. I sold Greety a WD in 79 for £80 or there-abouts. thats one of the very few copies that i've seen in the flesh, it resided at my house for a few weeks in the 80's, along with all the rest of his records when dave was between houses, i was hoping he'd forget where he left them 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Markw Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I'm not entirely sure what point the original poster is trying to make, but this record has always been a genuine rarity. Seldom turns up. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Trev Thomas Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I'm not entirely sure what point the original poster is trying to make, but this record has always been a genuine rarity. Seldom turns up. correct, a very hard record, i think the winners of the lillie and combinations auctions should be very pleased with themselves, if it had been me who won them both i'd be like a dog with two dicks Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Thanks for your opinion Dave , so you really "believe" these prices.... ? You really, think this is "rare" ....? And the 2k you mention is that $ ot £ "value" ? ( is that for a issue or demo ? ) that was just my opinion but popsike sort of backs me up...one or two originals plus all the red 70`s counterfeits https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=lillie+bryant&x=11&y=10 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest turntableterra Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) (quote name='dave pinch' timestamp='1353274723' post='1826353') that was just my opinion but popsike sort of backs me up...one or two originals plus all the red 70`s counterfeits https://www.popsike.c...ryant&x=11&y=10 (quote) Only seen about 10 myself, would love the issue. great record. but was it as big a tune as it is now, these days in our search for more. Edited November 19, 2012 by turntableterra Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 What opinions on this, the wax was described only as "G" and the labels had writing on ? Up untill the mid 1980's this record was another "forgotten" and like most of the classic NS ,had reached rock bottom on interest and value (I saw it still listed at £8) How rare it really was,is difficult to say,looking back on it now,but even in the seventies Soul Bowl had them I think,at £3. Ok time moves on and 35 years later it's still in demand,what would a mint - issue or demo go for now ? And why (without naming the faces ) the (still) huge disparity between US prices and UK pounds ......? Rob. Looks like a decent price, hope buyer got to listen to is before bidding. I can't remember it ever being a cheap record, you hardly never see them for sale. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 i bought an issue in the late 80's cost 100 then Lucky You ! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Combinations - I'm gonna make you love me - G condition just gone through at $1748.69 Lillie might have been a decent price after all Have you got the URL for that auction,I can't find it ? The Combinations on Kimtone according to popsike,went through at $2645 and $2125, but a seller mentioned he saw one sell at $4070. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Have you got the URL for that auction,I can't find it ? The Combinations on Kimtone according to popsike,went through at $2645 and $2125, but a seller mentioned he saw one sell at $4070. Not sure what URL means. Item number 181022772299 hope this helps. JUlian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SHEFFSOUL Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 It's mega rare and always has been IMO. Soul Bowl has never had this @ £3.00 to my knowledge. I've never ever found one and only seen a couple in 40 odd years, so that's pretty rare to me....... Ian D Agree..never saw one for sale all the time i was doing niters/collecting during the 70's..Dave Rai picked up a beat copy in the 80's and he was pleased to have that..tis a hard record.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 It's a hard record because it was withdrawn from sale because of it's similarity to "This old heart of mine". Or so the rumour goes... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I'm not entirely sure what point the original poster is trying to make, but this record has always been a genuine rarity. Seldom turns up. I wasn't really trying to make any point, I was asking for others opinions on the finishing price and the condition of the record. My recollections of it were that like many classic NS,it's popularity had diminished. I was suprised by the auction ! Popsike also shows that really shagged out one at $639 ! Even the counterfeits are money Does ebay contribute-encourage insanity bidding,I mean because someone has'nt seen a copy in 30 years,he automatically thinks "H--y Shit" and gets carried away ? So because a demo fetched $2550,does that "mean" it is the "right" price ? . I'm just trying to understand it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Not sure what URL means. Item number 181022772299 hope this helps. JUlian Yes,thank you Julian,that is it. Rob. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 it must be just the part of the country where i live as we are still submerged in classic owdies in south yorkshire....that sadly dont seem to be diminishing at all Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Actually the weird thing about this record, is it never went big first time around - there were only a couple of copies here and there, so you didn't hear it out much - maybe Pep and/or Sam had it so it may have been bigger in the midlands. I don't remember it being big anywhere to be honest. But it was always as rare as hen's teeth. I still dunno why anyone pressed it. Did it go big towards the end of the 70's or something.....? Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 It's a hard record because it was withdrawn from sale because of it's similarity to "This old heart of mine". Or so the rumour goes... well its certainly does rip it off pete.... the promo is probably as rare as the stock imho tho...........off topic a little i wonder if parkway withdrew christine coopers `heartaches away` for ripping off the supremes and how curtis mayfield got away with cant satisfy as thats too close to the isleys TOHOM ..i`ll never know Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Actually the weird thing about this record, is it never went big first time around - there were only a couple of copies here and there, so you didn't hear it out much - maybe Pep and/or Sam had it so it may have been bigger in the midlands. I don't remember it being big anywhere to be honest. But it was always as rare as hen's teeth. I still dunno why anyone pressed it. Did it go big towards the end of the 70's or something.....? Ian D Big for about a month at Wigan via Richard and Pep, Ian, then dropped like a stone after it was booted Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony Smith Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) in 30 years of collecting i have only seen around 20 / 30 copies of this record, either in the flesh or on sales lists / internet, hed the chance to buy a couple in the 80's but like a plank i declined they were priced at £100 and £75 respectivley, a bloody hard record to get, if i had the money i would have had that one off ebay, i personally think whoever won it got a pretty good dealThere was one on Soul Bowl late 80's around 100 or 125, Rob Marriott beat me to it, then I missed it when he sold up :-( This copy sounded pretty beat up, which again don't seem to bother people much! Edited November 19, 2012 by Tony Smith Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 It's mega rare and always has been IMO. Soul Bowl has never had this @ £3.00 to my knowledge. I've never ever found one and only seen a couple in 40 odd years, so that's pretty rare to me....... Ian D Ok Ian,that's very interesting,so if I read you right -you are saying that Lillie Bryant,on the "scale of rareties" goes beyond anything you have ever found,is that what you mean ? If so, then that is really an eye opener especially from someone who had so many fantastic hauls . Why do you think this record is so rare then ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Markw Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Ok Ian,that's very interesting,so if I read you right -you are saying that Lillie Bryant,on the "scale of rareties" goes beyond anything you have ever found,is that what you mean ? If so, then that is really an eye opener especially from someone who had so many fantastic hauls . Why do you think this record is so rare then ? I'm taking a wild guess here mate, but maybe he thinks it's rare because he's only come across "a couple of copies in 40 odd years"? Maybe the rest of us think it's pretty rare for similar reasons? Let's ask you the reverse question..........why do you seem to think it isn't that rare? Have you come across a secret stash? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gene-r Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) It's a hard record because it was withdrawn from sale because of it's similarity to "This old heart of mine". Or so the rumour goes... You don't mean "I Guess I'll Always Love You" instead, do you Pete? I was thinking of the chorus that goes: "Open up your arms And let me walk on in Open up your heart And let me live again" Edited November 19, 2012 by Gene-R Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I'm taking a wild guess here mate, but maybe he thinks it's rare because he's only come across "a couple of copies in 40 odd years"? Maybe the rest of us think it's pretty rare for similar reasons? Let's ask you the reverse question..........why do you seem to think it isn't that rare? Have you come across a secret stash? Mark ,I just thought that it was on overall,a relative motown sounding obscurity that had lost its interest,bootlegged many years ago and then forgotten about....I popped the question to see what others thought ! Apparently then it is still very rare and indemand -even shagged out copies. The mind boggles at what a mint demo would go for... in a uk dealers auction.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 You don't mean "I Guess I'll Always Love You" instead, do you Pete? I was thinking of the chorus that goes: "Open up your arms And let me walk on in Open up your heart And let me live again" No mate definitely TOHOM, because the intro sounds very similar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gene-r Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 No mate definitely TOHOM, because the intro sounds very similar Yes, I can see what you mean now. The intro does sound similar to "This Old Heart Of Mine". Though I reckon it's plagiarised from both tracks - the chorus is definitely copied from "I Guess I'll Always Love You". One can just imagine Berry Gordy's hissy-fit on hearing Lillie Bryant! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Actually the weird thing about this record, is it never went big first time around - there were only a couple of copies here and there, so you didn't hear it out much - maybe Pep and/or Sam had it so it may have been bigger in the midlands. I don't remember it being big anywhere to be honest. But it was always as rare as hen's teeth. I still dunno why anyone pressed it. Did it go big towards the end of the 70's or something.....? Ian D It was a MONSTER at the Mecca.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Ok Ian,that's very interesting,so if I read you right -you are saying that Lillie Bryant,on the "scale of rareties" goes beyond anything you have ever found,is that what you mean ? If so, then that is really an eye opener especially from someone who had so many fantastic hauls . Why do you think this record is so rare then ? Not beyond anything I've ever found, 'cos I've bumped into rarer stuff - the first copy of Willie Hutch outside of Soussan was a good one, the only test press of Si Hightower and a few others come to mind, but it's one I just never came across in my travels. I should qualify that by saying that I never did the East Coast much, so there's a lot of East Coast stuff I've never found. Also I think Tay-Ster was a rarish label anyway compared to many others. It's similar to the Little Joe Romans discussion a while back - that's another pretty rare record IMO in that I simply haven't seen many originals over the years. Mind you, you live and learn. I only found out yesterday that the Showstoppers "Gotta Get Closer To You" was issued on Party Time in the U.S. and I've certainly never ever seen that before and I bet many other people haven't either! Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 It was a MONSTER at the Mecca.... Not when I went it wasn't....... Ian D 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest chorleybloke Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (quote name='dave pinch' timestamp='1353274723' post='1826353') that was just my opinion but popsike sort of backs me up...one or two originals plus all the red 70`s counterfeits https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=lillie+bryant&x=11&y=10 (quote) Only seen about 10 myself, would love the issue. great record. but was it as big a tune as it is now, these days in our search for more. The scruffy looking white demo on Popsike is currently sitting in my box. I bought it in a private auction in December 2008 off someone in UK (can't remember who but he was from darn sarf) so presumably it was he who won it off eBay 6 months earlier for USD1526. At that time USD1526 was worth about GBP780 and I paid GBP1000 so he made a decent margin but I was happy as a pig in shit despite the label damage because the vinyl is virtually flawless. This latest sale at USD1391 equates to GBP875 and the vinyl is worse than VG minus so I still think I got a decent deal. Be niceif the label was gleaming white but you can't have it all I suppose. Cheers......Pete Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 well its certainly does rip it off pete.... the promo is probably as rare as the stock imho tho...........off topic a little i wonder if parkway withdrew christine coopers `heartaches away` for ripping off the supremes and how curtis mayfield got away with cant satisfy as thats too close to the isleys TOHOM ..i`ll never know Hi Dave, good point but infact Curtis didn't get away with the similarity in "Can't Satisfy" and "This Old Heart Of Mine". He apparently had to give up publishing rights to Jobete on that one! Didn't stop a lot of groups copying the Impressions sound verbatim though! Cheers, Sean 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mickjay33 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) what about the boot on ebay starting price £75 wtf https://www.ebay.co.u...984.m1423.l2649 Edited November 19, 2012 by mickjay33 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony Smith Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Mark ,I just thought that it was on overall,a relative motown sounding obscurity that had lost its interest,bootlegged many years ago and then forgotten about....I popped the question to see what others thought ! Apparently then it is still very rare and indemand -even shagged out copies. The mind boggles at what a mint demo would go for... in a uk dealers auction.... John Manship sold one a couple of years back! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) im sure that john had a handful of copies out of that L.A find. he did auction it a couple or three times in the year or so after.. so maybe they came from that, it was the first time i`d seen one for sale in years and i think they were all over 2k Edited November 19, 2012 by dave pinch Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest soultan Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 The scruffy looking white demo on Popsike is currently sitting in my box. I bought it in a private auction in December 2008 off someone in UK (can't remember who but he was from darn sarf) so presumably it was he who won it off eBay 6 months earlier for USD1526. At that time USD1526 was worth about GBP780 and I paid GBP1000 so he made a decent margin but I was happy as a pig in shit despite the label damage because the vinyl is virtually flawless. This latest sale at USD1391 equates to GBP875 and the vinyl is worse than VG minus so I still think I got a decent deal. Be niceif the label was gleaming white but you can't have it all I suppose. Cheers......Pete despite the label damage i am still jealous Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Samplat Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 The scruffy looking white demo on Popsike is currently sitting in my box. I bought it in a private auction in December 2008 off someone in UK (can't remember who but he was from darn sarf) so presumably it was he who won it off eBay 6 months earlier for USD1526. At that time USD1526 was worth about GBP780 and I paid GBP1000 so he made a decent margin but I was happy as a pig in shit despite the label damage because the vinyl is virtually flawless. This latest sale at USD1391 equates to GBP875 and the vinyl is worse than VG minus so I still think I got a decent deal. Be niceif the label was gleaming white but you can't have it all I suppose. Cheers......Pete Not quite as good as the Gwen Owens demo you got off me then Pete Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 what about the boot on ebay starting price £75 wtf https://www.ebay.co.u...984.m1423.l2649 He`s a bit of a chancer at that price really. £40-£50 is more realistic but you never know who`s fishing. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Greety Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I remember reading Lillie Bryant was first played at The Pendulum via Barry Tasker 71ish. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jaco Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I remember reading Lillie Bryant was first played at The Pendulum via Barry Tasker 71ish. If it did I don't remember it (not that that's much to go by) but if it was it certainly stayed under the radar for a few years. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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