Chalky Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 That was probably me, Dave and I do take back the 'you lot' in my post as I know many people do of course go out. And so what gives others God given right to criticise other music - Mal called it crap in his opening post, he didn't praise it. And those that don't go out refer to it as 'funky shite' etc can only hear it if they go out because they wont play it at home, but then they don't go out and so therefore don't hear it so why bloody moan about it?! But it was the thread title really that did it LOL Anyway I am over it now, I have just done a very good bit of car parking that I am happy about. And as some of my records have been posted on here; here's another... Dave I will match your Jimmy Mack with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ySdzv46Thk 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jaco Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Is Ritchie Adams - " Better off without you" a bit too slow to be a beat ballad? Either way another wonderful Randazzo track. Another favourite of mine is Barbara Banks - "Ain't I worth a dime" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Abbott Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Dave I will match your Jimmy Mack with this beautiful Pete Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Is Ritchie Adams - " Better off without you" a bit too slow to be a beat ballad? Slow is what a ballad is. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Moves between a beat ballad and almost mid tempo.... Great though.... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Slow is what a ballad is. A beat ballad can be as slow as you like as long as it's got some sort of - beat.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Is this too fast? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 A beat ballad can be as slow as you like as long as it's got some sort of - beat.... Exactly....the name says it all. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 And so what gives others God given right to criticise other music - Mal called it crap in his opening post. Dave, No he didn't. Read it again. He was bemoaning the fact that it was perceived as a new thing when in fact it has always been collected by soul fans with a broad taste. Anyways.........not many give Maxine Brown a run for her money but Ms Kilgore beats her to pulp with this. I still need a WDJ of this if anyone can help. Regards, Dave https://youtu.be/D5iN62AFFwU Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Dave Abbott Posted November 15, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2012 Dave, No he didn't. Read it again. He was bemoaning the fact that it was perceived as a new thing when in fact it has always been collected by soul fans with a broad taste. Oh bollox I have just had to read it about ten times - I thought he was saying it's crap and always was... Mal - I openly apologise to you...though not for the thread title, and....some things aren't a laugh when you feel passionate about them the rest of you can still fack off 5 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Markw Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 GROUP HUG!!!!!!! 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 the rest of you can still fack off :lol: Here's another I kinda always got on with....he's never gonna be a Wilson Pickett or a James Brown more a better quality Tom Jones. This man could SING! and he could sing BIGTIME! Regards, Dave 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Oh bollox I have just had to read it about ten times - I thought he was saying it's crap and always was... Mal - I openly apologise to you...though not for the thread title, and....some things aren't a laugh when you feel passionate about them the rest of you can still fack off Wimp. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Humungous record. Always loved it. Used to play it amongst some others on Saturday afternoons at Hitsville. Glass of beer, whack it up loud, relax, kick back, and wait for the nodding looks of appreciation from the sun baked terrace. Happy days!! Regards, Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jaco Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Slow is what a ballad is. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of a sufficient tempo, however slow, to be able to have a shuffle to as opposed to a ballad that you might feel inclined to only listen to. No matter anyway, as all of the stuff listed is right up my street. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
NEV Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Not sure if this one qualifies ,but sublime version for me Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Staying with the obvious Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jocko Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I know I say it everytime but it brings a warm glow to my groin to say I have played loads of these out when djing, before I was retired Nothing else to add other than Bobby King is a crossover record and Jessie Fisher was played 20 years ago which makes it Northern with a twist. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jocko Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) And in nature of sharing, one of my favourite, although sure I have that on crossover shelf, dilemmas... Always been one of my faves, I think Ady H played this one out rather than me, tempo terrorists look away now. Edited November 15, 2012 by jocko 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 No only the 'you lot' bit and that is not what i am fecked off about...... Ah right you are, so what you fecked off about then? No look in all seriousness, you did me a cd last Summer of more contemporary tunes and as said, there were/are some real winners on there. Keep doing what you're doing and don't take no shit off nobody. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest gordon russell Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Anyone wanting to hear the absolute cream of beat ballads, these two podcasts will blow your socks off, possibly among the top 5 podcasts I've ever done (and I've done over 300) https://podcast9122525417.podomatic.com/entry/2011-12-06T04_59_05-08_00 https://podcast9122525417.podomatic.com/entry/2011-12-08T07_08_54-08_00 PORGY & THE MONARCHS — IF IT’S FOR REAL — MUSICOR FAYE CRAWFORD — WHAT HAVE I DONE WRONG — RCA MARIE KNIGHT — A LITTLE TOO LONELY — MUSICOR CLYDIE KING — THE THRILL IS GONE — IMPERIAL WALTER JACKSON — IT’S AN UPHILL CLIMB TO THE BOTTOM — OKEH JIMMY BEAUMONT — YOU GOT TOO MUCH GOING FOR YOU — BANG THE KNICKERBOCKERS — WISHFUL THINKING — CHALLENGE CLYDIE KING — MISSIN’ MY BABY — IMPERIAL RUBY & THE ROMANTICS — YOUR BABY DOESN’T LOVE YOU ANYMORE — KAPP GEORGE & SONNY SANDS — DOWN BY THE OCEAN — NEW VOICE JIMMY CLANTON — HURTING EACH OTHER — MALA RAY POLLARD — THE DRIFTER — UNITED ARTISTS BOBBY SHEEN- SWEET SWEET LOVE — CAPITOL ANITA BRYANT — MY MIND’S PLAYING TRICKS ON ME AGAIN — COLUMBIA REPARATA & THE DELRONS — I’M NOBODY’S BABY — RCA JERRY GANEY — JUST A FOOL — VERVE NINO TEMPO & APRIL STEVENS — THE HABIT OF LOVIN’ YOU BABY — WHITE WHALE TOMMY HUNT — LOVER — UNISSUED JERRY JACKSON — I’M GONNA PAINT A PICTURE — PARKWAY P.J. PROBY — I CAN’T MAKE IT ALONE — LIBERTY CLYDIE KING — SOFT AND GENTLE WAYS — IMPERIAL BOOTLEGGERS — DON’T COUNT ON TOMORROW — DISCOVERY LINDA LLOYD — BREAKAWAY — COLUMBIA TOMMY NAVARRO — I CRIED MY LIFE AWAY — DEJAC AL McARTHUR — HIS TRUE LOVE FOR YOU — TWO GUITARS MARION STEWART — I MUST BE LOSING YOU — R HARRY STARR — STEP INTO MY WORLD — END SAM WILLIAMS — LOVE SLIPPED THRU’ MY FINGERS - TOWER DEE IRWIN — YOU CAN’T STOP ME LOVING YOU — UNISSUED SONNY CHILDE — GIVING UP ON LOVE — DECCA JIMMIE RAYE — YOU MUST BE LOSING YOUR MIND — GARRISON JIMMY MILLER — ON A BACK STREET — COUNTERPART CHARLES BRANDY — WITHOUT YOUR LOVE — BLUE CAT THE WALL OF SOUND — HANG ON — BIG BIRD WILLIE AMOS HUNT — WOULD YOU BELIEVE — STREAMSIDE ANDREA HENRY — I NEED YOU LIKE A BABY — MGM SANDY GOLDEN — WHEN WE’RE ALL ALONE TONIGHT — MASTERPIECE LARRY WRIGHT — IT’S OK WITH ME — A GO GO BROOKS O’DELL — WATCH YOUR STEP — GOLD TOMMY TATE — I’M TAKING ON PAIN — OKEH ANNABELLE FOX — LONELY GIRL — SATIN THE INTENTIONS — DON’T FORGET THAT I LOVE YOU — PHILIPS BARBARA LYNN — THIS IS THE THANKS I GET — ATLANTIC KANE & ABEL — BREAK DOWN AND CRY — DESTINATION SIDNEY HALL — I’M A LOVER — SHRINE JERRY JACKSON — IT’S ROUGH OUT THERE — PARKWAY JOHNNY MAESTRO & THE CRESTS — I’M STEPPING OUT OF THE PICTURE — SCEPTER DUSTY WILSON — IT’S GOING TO BE A TRAGEDY — MUTT SHIRLEY EDWARDS — DREAM MY HEART — SHRINE MARVA JOSIE — DON’T — UNITED ARTISTS DEAN COURTNEY — (LOVE) YOU JUST CAN’T WALK AWAY — MGM THE SPLENDORS — PLEASE DON’T GO — KARATE SAMMY KING — YOUR OLD STAND BY — MARATHON THE SPYDERS — PEACE OF MIND — ASSAULT JAY D BRYANT — I WON’T BE COMING BACK — SHRINE NINO TEMPO — BOYS TOWN — TOWER FRANK FURTER & HIS HOT DOGS — IMITATION - UPTOWN Pete you seem to be listing some tunes that are just out and out soul records and putting em down as beat ballads sandi golden? larry wright?.....these two along with a couple more are just super soul tunes beat ballads they ain,t.....get a grip Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest gordon russell Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 some folk seem to be confusing slow soul records with durgy beat ballads...........jackie beavers? a soul record surely?....beat ballad never........come on!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest gordon russell Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) A beat ballad can be as slow as you like as long as it's got some sort of - beat.... although a beat ballad is slow............to me it becomes a beat ballad when the singer sings like f**king dean martin/perry como/frank sinatra ect ect.......god awful shite.........please people do try and differenciate between slow soul and 60's beat ballad aka 60's lounge music. worst of the lot and perfect examples.....big joe turner "two loves have l" kurt harris "emporer of my babys heart"..........who in their right mind goes out to hear this kind of stuff....and whats more who bloody well wants to play it....it,s LOUNGE MUSIC.......thats why they died out in the states Edited November 16, 2012 by gordon russell Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jordirip Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Another lip trembler. Although I'm not sure if it qualifies as a Beat Ballad...more kind of.. err...sweet deep. Fontella Bass. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jocko Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 You are obviously spending too much time hanging with the rock and roll BB's on FB. All the best beat ballads are great soul records, just some people don't seem to get that hence you get Perry Como and Connie Stevens sound a likes. Anyone having seen your stylish slow dancing at LL you were made for Roy Hamilton smooch-a-thon you are just resisting your urges. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
nickp Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 https://youtu.be/Kx6QTuzgFVg 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Not sure if this one qualifies ,but sublime version for me A 'Stepper' as opposed to a Beat Ballad' I would have thought. Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 Has anybody mentioned Tommy Hunt yet? the hold on track is different on the Atlantic release 45 to that on one of the early Kent LP's, cant remember but one is more of a beat ballad than an out and out ballad, I think.... anyhow they are all F*** Great... also add parade of Broken Heartaches to that list.. mal Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Yes mate, you sure did, and you know me when i get a record it stays with me for my time on this earth.. And you know me Brett, always giving them away when caught up in the moment. Think this also got an airing on that very same evening/morning: Kenny Shepard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Brett F Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 And you know me Brett, always giving them away when caught up in the moment. Think this also got an airing on that very same evening/morning: Kenny Shepard Fantastic..Kenny Shepard, i'm just holding Gil Bernal until you start collecting again....Then it can return to it's rightful heir. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Fantastic..Kenny Shepard, i'm just holding Gil Bernal until you start collecting again....Then it can return to it's rightful heir. I would probably have a collection if everyone did the same In different circumstances the records would never have gone & not a day goes by without wishing I still had them. At some point in the future that might change & I'll be back in the hunt. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bearsy Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 got quite a few ideas for me funeral music now thanks lads Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 some folk seem to be confusing slow soul records with durgy beat ballads...........jackie beavers? a soul record surely?....beat ballad never........come on!! Can't they be both? Soul and a beat ballad? Here's one that I've always thought was great! Hey.......written by a white bloke, produced by two white blokes and even (god forbid), sung by a white bloke! Even published by the same company that had Paul Simon and that there soulful Neil Sedaka as clients! That should be more enough to get you steaming! Tin Pan Alley at it's best.... Regards, Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Polyvelts Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Love beat ballads but personally would not to like to hear too many played in one evening, in fact just one would be about enough per nighter, preferably as the last record, very useful for letting people know that now is the time to go home, Does Frank Hutson qualify as a 'trendy' funky beat ballad ? One crossover too many perhaps ?! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest gordon russell Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Can't they be both? Soul and a beat ballad? Regards, Dave Dave....not sure they can......it,s not a matter as to whether we like a tune or not.....it,s the style in which the singer sings it....soon as they go all DEAN MARTIN on us.......it becomes a beat ballad Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Markw Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 got quite a few ideas for me funeral music now thanks lads :lol: Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Dave....not sure they can......it,s not a matter as to whether we like a tune or not.....it,s the style in which the singer sings it....soon as they go all DEAN MARTIN on us.......it becomes a beat ballad I suppose it's all in the individual's interpretation eh? For me it's not the singer sounding like Dean Martin that is the attraction. It's the dramatic effect of using highs and lows, often using timpani, the chink of the rhythm guitar, it's a build up to a more aggressive chorus, and the often 'echoey' sound that gives an impression of space. Here's another that I've always loved. Could fall into loads of pigeon holes if you that were your want: Regards, Dave https://youtu.be/DWh3aHfaOm0 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Corbett80 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Bit more uptempo but always liked Mathew Brown on Sew City 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post NEV Posted November 16, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2012 A 'Stepper' as opposed to a Beat Ballad' I would have thought. Russ Oh well ...at least i tried Russ To be fair though and being constructive here ... the funk v beat ballad debate or any other funk v whatever debate will continue ,of that i am certain .... But for me ,it's about meeting in the middle ....the soulful funk i buy into is not the same as out and out James Brown "i feel good " or blaxploitation shaft sounding funk. Its a fine line and that's where some people get confused . Mid -tempo or uptempo ,a good funk tinged song /record gives me as much, if not more pleasure as any example posted up here . Ann Bogus .... Marva Whitney ,Ike Noble ,Connie Austin ..black smoke band ...Audrey Royal ...all good tunes for me Just being constructive ....and remember boys & girls ..nobody can tell you what you can and can't listen to ..but i for one would love it if we did'nt pigeon hole .. It comes in different flavours ,but its all (to qoin a phrase from Tats and Mr Hampseys pages) JUST SOUL 4 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dazdakin Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Does that mean I just kinda stand still then?? As my back was never turned in the first place by the "mighty beat Ballard" IMHO yes they have a place at the end of a spot or the end of a night if they have to be played out ever at a venue, failing that they are fantastic for doing the ironing to or driving back from a venue, other than that they are not for me as I still believe the northern scene is,was,and always will be a dance scene first!! Just an opinion though Daz Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Oh well ...at least i tried Russ To be fair though and being constructive here ... the funk v beat ballad debate or any other funk v whatever debate will continue ,of that i am certain .... But for me ,it's about meeting in the middle ....the soulful funk i buy into is not the same as out and out James Brown "i feel good " or blaxploitation shaft sounding funk. Its a fine line and that's where some people get confused . Mid -tempo or uptempo ,a good funk tinged song /record gives me as much, if not more pleasure as any example posted up here . Ann Bogus .... Marva Whitney ,Ike Noble ,Connie Austin ..black smoke band ...Audrey Royal ...all good tunes for me Just being constructive ....and remember boys & girls ..nobody can tell you what you can and can't listen to ..but i for one would love it if we did'nt pigeon hole .. It comes in different flavours ,but its all (to qoin a phrase from Tats and Mr Hampseys pages) JUST SOUL I agree with you entirely Nev & the 'Stepper' thing wasnt meant as a criticism in any way at all, brilliant record BTW mate. Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I love it all....Beat Ballads are brilliant, but need to be played sensibly within a night/set....IMO BB lend themselves more to small intimate dark clubs, were their atmospheric brilliance can raise the general atmosphere of a venue/dance floor if dropped strategically.... I agree with Nev on the funk thing too....many people misunderstand the genre & again, when dropped in amongst everything else can set a room on fire....Im a soul fan first & foremost, altho I prefer dancers in a club environment & I enjoy most things that get played out when programmed sensibly within a set.... Best Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
NEV Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Does that mean I just kinda stand still then?? As my back was never turned in the first place by the "mighty beat Ballard" IMHO yes they have a place at the end of a spot or the end of a night if they have to be played out ever at a venue, failing that they are fantastic for doing the ironing to or driving back from a venue, other than that they are not for me as I still believe the northern scene is,was,and always will be a dance scene first!! Just an opinion though Daz I agree totally Daz It's hard to accept for some people ,but in truth ,everything as it's place, and in the right place at the right time is the crux. I can remember once asking Soul Sam if he would'nt mind playing Norris Vines or Jimmy Bo Horne at a nighter ...he politely told me that he would love to ,but did'nt think they were right for the time of night he was dj'n . Looking back and in hindsight ,he was totally right . Chill out venues and get together venues, put on by people who just wanna share soul music with like minded people,are my choice for the slower stuff , big room venues and all nighters are and should be mainly uptempo dancers ,with a slowie chucked in to stop people from having heart attacks from refusing to accept growing old gracefully P.s .. For anyone who wants to know ... no i did'nt give Sam a mouth full of abuse or a disgusted look ..that's what disrespectful do at plastic soul nights 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cobbles Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) always liked this beat ballad out of barbados and this midtempo out of NY and this one from detroit Edited November 16, 2012 by cobbles Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Bit more uptempo but always liked Mathew Brown on Sew City hmmm ..fantastic record....maybe too slow to be northern but too fast for a beat ballad....it does pick up in the 2nd half of the record tho Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 hmmm ..fantastic record....maybe too slow to be northern but too fast for a beat ballad....it does pick up in the 2nd half of the record tho Mid-tempo if you ask me. Great underplayed record mind. Last one I remember giving it any serious spins was Steve Smith Bretby era. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 i play it once a flood chalky.....i had it on a tape early 90`s covered as mathew barnett..... not sure who the tape was from....probably steve smith as i had a few from him at that time 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 I suppose it's all in the individual's interpretation eh? For me it's not the singer sounding like Dean Martin that is the attraction. It's the dramatic effect of using highs and lows, often using timpani, the chink of the rhythm guitar, it's a build up to a more aggressive chorus, and the often 'echoey' sound that gives an impression of space. Here's another that I've always loved. Could fall into loads of pigeon holes if you that were your want: Regards, Dave Killer beat Ballad that, there is another good one on the label, Maybe Maybe Baby..the flip of giving up.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0AsttQi_pw Mal.C Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 Think this also falls into the category nicely, still need this track badly!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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