Popular Post Mal C Posted November 13, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) I know this may go over some people's heads, but before I put forward my little statement, just let me state ill buy anything, if its good...and this is a bit of fun, well kinda... So, we're in 2012, and the 'funky' stuff has been in vogue for some years now, which is kinda crap really because if you collect all styles it always was, However, the mighy Beat Ballad, or serious sixties slowie now seems out of pace, and I F***** hate that!!!! My feeling is There should be a back lash!!! So Brothers and Sisters, Before you buy your next 45 that's got that new trendy forward thinking dj description next to it, think closely, there is no going back, if you turn your back once again and don't choose a sixties beat ballad, the memories will start to fade, let me just list a couple to stirr that memory, and ask you state your allegience below, list em, and list em proud!!!! I Love Sixties Beat Ballads!!!!! George wydell, jimmy helms, wade flemons, tommy hunt, Sam fletcher, Johnny maestro, Kenny carter, Roy Hamilton, Freddy Cole, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gK-JDE3oRl0 Mal.c Edited November 13, 2012 by Mal.C. 4 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Is 'Beat Ballad' a Northern scene term, or it is used more widely in other music genres? Cheers Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 Christ there's me rallying the troops and the first feedback has come out of left field, no idea, does not matter. I Assume you know what it is... And love them, That's all you need to know Richard, list your favourites, and were off.. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) Dunno - Buddy Smith on Brute, Dee Edwards on Tuba - do they count as BBs? Tony MIddleton - Paris Blues (Mala) awesome Little Anthony - It's Not The Same (Veep) Am I barking up the right tree here? Cheers Richard Edited November 13, 2012 by Premium Stuff Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) I know this may go over some people's heads, but before I put forward my little statement, just let me state ill buy anything, if its good...and this is a bit of fun, well kinda... So, we're in 2012, and the 'funky' stuff has been in vogue for some years now, which is kinda crap really because if you collect all styles it always was, However, the mighy Beat Ballad, or serious sixties slowie now seems out of pace, and I F***** hate that!!!! My feeling is There should be a back lash!!! So Brothers and Sisters, Before you buy your next 45 that's got that new trendy forward thinking dj description next to it, think closely, there is no going back, if you turn your back once again and don't choose a sixties beat ballad, the memories will start to fade, let me just list a couple to stirr that memory, and ask you state your allegience below, list em, and list em proud!!!! I Love Sixties Beat Ballads!!!!! George wydell, jimmy helms, wade flemons, tommy hunt, Sam fletcher, Johnny maestro, Kenny carter, Roy Hamilton, Freddy Cole, Mal.c Doug Banks - Baby Since You Went Away &, slightly more up-tempo, Rita Da Costa - You And Nothing More A couple I enjoy at home with my pipe and slippers. Edited 15th Nov to include missing video clips. Edited November 15, 2012 by tiberius 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Dunno - Buddy Smith on Brute, Dee Edwards on Tuba - do they count as BBs? Tony MIddleton - Paris Blues (Mala) awesome Little Anthony - It's Not The Same (Veep) Am I barking up the right tree here? Cheers Richard Paris Blues is an out and out Northern Soul stomper so definitely not a beat ballad. Little Anthony is one. Most beat ballads have quiet, understated choruses then hit you with a huge chorus. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Markw Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Paris Blues is an out and out Northern Soul stomper so definitely not a beat ballad. Little Anthony is one. Most beat ballads have quiet, understated choruses verses then hit you with a huge chorus. I think you mean verses in this context Mr S............ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I think you mean verses in this context Mr S............ Haven't had a cup of coffee yet mate sorry :-) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jordirip Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 One of the best ever for me. Makes every hair on my body stand up. Lenny Welch. Jordi 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post nickp Posted November 14, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2012 https://youtu.be/RwXwshqLzwg This may seem to be an obvious choice in this genre yet it never fails to send me to ' that special place'. A truly stunning vocal and such a haunting melody, absolute genius. Looking forward to this thread turning up lots more of very special and also very personal sounds. 4 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Citizen P Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I know this may go over some people's heads, but before I put forward my little statement, just let me state ill buy anything, if its good...and this is a bit of fun, well kinda... So, we're in 2012, and the 'funky' stuff has been in vogue for some years now, which is kinda crap really because if you collect all styles it always was, However, the mighy Beat Ballad, or serious sixties slowie now seems out of pace, and I F***** hate that!!!! My feeling is There should be a back lash!!! So Brothers and Sisters, Before you buy your next 45 that's got that new trendy forward thinking dj description next to it, think closely, there is no going back, if you turn your back once again and don't choose a sixties beat ballad, the memories will start to fade, let me just list a couple to stirr that memory, and ask you state your allegience below, list em, and list em proud!!!! I Love Sixties Beat Ballads!!!!! George wydell, jimmy helms, wade flemons, tommy hunt, Sam fletcher, Johnny maestro, Kenny carter, Roy Hamilton, Freddy Cole, https://m.youtube.com...h?v=gK-JDE3oRl0 Mal.c In what context though, I absolutely love the slower soulful stuff George Freeman and the like, but they wouldn't get a night bouncin' would they ?? Tony Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark R Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Freddie Houston - If I Had Known (Old Town)..........incredible Big City Soul from NYC. I would profess that these are records for SOUL fans, not Northern Soul fans..........and before anyone bites, of course you can be both, but many aren't so don't get records like this. That's very much their loss!! Cheers, Mark R Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Freddie Houston - If I Had Known (Old Town)..........incredible Big City Soul from NYC. I would profess that these are records for SOUL fans, not Northern Soul fans..........and before anyone bites, of course you can be both, but many aren't so don't get records like this. That's very much their loss!! Cheers, Mark R I would have to disagree - I'm not a massive SOUL fan but there's nothing I love more than real beat ballads like the one you suggested. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Be hard pushed to better this one. Equal yes but bettered,...nah. And a nice pic of the UK demo which I still need if anyone can help.! Regards, Dave https://youtu.be/DvAJmaDWD-A 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Simsy Posted November 14, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2012 Give me a 60's beat ballad over a funky trendy any old day of the week .. 4 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 And of course the Master of the BB himself. Who says whitey ain't got soul.....?? Regards, Dave https://youtu.be/cTGGZkdHAAQ 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Dave the Drug is adamant that the Wki entry for Northern Soul should be amended so that I can personally take credit for introducing the term Beat Ballad late 80's we were desperately trying to find a phrase to describe this sort of records as 'midtempo' was proving inadequate. I don't know if I got it off a record list maybe so I don't think I actually did invent the term Beat Ballad, but I think I probably was the first person to put it into print and suddenly it was everywhere. I know the term has been about for 50 years - but not in this context. But hey what do I know, I'm probably making all this up to look clever. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Detroit version of a Beat Ballad. Voice, song, musicianship........dogs doodahs. Regards, Dave https://youtu.be/hZctsc5Ruu4 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Detroit version of a Beat Ballad. Voice, song, musicianship........dogs doodahs. Regards, Dave That's not a beat ballad Dave, that's a midtempo! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 And of course the Master of the BB himself. Who says whitey ain't got soul.....?? Regards, Dave Whereas this is a real beat ballad, all the ingredients you need from, as you say, the master Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 That's not a beat ballad Dave, that's a midtempo! :lol: Hope this doesn't degenerate into a Beat Ballad v Midtempo thread! Regards, Dave 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Anyone wanting to hear the absolute cream of beat ballads, these two podcasts will blow your socks off, possibly among the top 5 podcasts I've ever done (and I've done over 300) https://podcast9122525417.podomatic.com/entry/2011-12-06T04_59_05-08_00 https://podcast9122525417.podomatic.com/entry/2011-12-08T07_08_54-08_00 PORGY & THE MONARCHS — IF IT’S FOR REAL — MUSICOR FAYE CRAWFORD — WHAT HAVE I DONE WRONG — RCA MARIE KNIGHT — A LITTLE TOO LONELY — MUSICOR CLYDIE KING — THE THRILL IS GONE — IMPERIAL WALTER JACKSON — IT’S AN UPHILL CLIMB TO THE BOTTOM — OKEH JIMMY BEAUMONT — YOU GOT TOO MUCH GOING FOR YOU — BANG THE KNICKERBOCKERS — WISHFUL THINKING — CHALLENGE CLYDIE KING — MISSIN’ MY BABY — IMPERIAL RUBY & THE ROMANTICS — YOUR BABY DOESN’T LOVE YOU ANYMORE — KAPP GEORGE & SONNY SANDS — DOWN BY THE OCEAN — NEW VOICE JIMMY CLANTON — HURTING EACH OTHER — MALA RAY POLLARD — THE DRIFTER — UNITED ARTISTS BOBBY SHEEN- SWEET SWEET LOVE — CAPITOL ANITA BRYANT — MY MIND’S PLAYING TRICKS ON ME AGAIN — COLUMBIA REPARATA & THE DELRONS — I’M NOBODY’S BABY — RCA JERRY GANEY — JUST A FOOL — VERVE NINO TEMPO & APRIL STEVENS — THE HABIT OF LOVIN’ YOU BABY — WHITE WHALE TOMMY HUNT — LOVER — UNISSUED JERRY JACKSON — I’M GONNA PAINT A PICTURE — PARKWAY P.J. PROBY — I CAN’T MAKE IT ALONE — LIBERTY CLYDIE KING — SOFT AND GENTLE WAYS — IMPERIAL BOOTLEGGERS — DON’T COUNT ON TOMORROW — DISCOVERY LINDA LLOYD — BREAKAWAY — COLUMBIA TOMMY NAVARRO — I CRIED MY LIFE AWAY — DEJAC AL McARTHUR — HIS TRUE LOVE FOR YOU — TWO GUITARS MARION STEWART — I MUST BE LOSING YOU — R HARRY STARR — STEP INTO MY WORLD — END SAM WILLIAMS — LOVE SLIPPED THRU’ MY FINGERS - TOWER DEE IRWIN — YOU CAN’T STOP ME LOVING YOU — UNISSUED SONNY CHILDE — GIVING UP ON LOVE — DECCA JIMMIE RAYE — YOU MUST BE LOSING YOUR MIND — GARRISON JIMMY MILLER — ON A BACK STREET — COUNTERPART CHARLES BRANDY — WITHOUT YOUR LOVE — BLUE CAT THE WALL OF SOUND — HANG ON — BIG BIRD WILLIE AMOS HUNT — WOULD YOU BELIEVE — STREAMSIDE ANDREA HENRY — I NEED YOU LIKE A BABY — MGM SANDY GOLDEN — WHEN WE’RE ALL ALONE TONIGHT — MASTERPIECE LARRY WRIGHT — IT’S OK WITH ME — A GO GO BROOKS O’DELL — WATCH YOUR STEP — GOLD TOMMY TATE — I’M TAKING ON PAIN — OKEH ANNABELLE FOX — LONELY GIRL — SATIN THE INTENTIONS — DON’T FORGET THAT I LOVE YOU — PHILIPS BARBARA LYNN — THIS IS THE THANKS I GET — ATLANTIC KANE & ABEL — BREAK DOWN AND CRY — DESTINATION SIDNEY HALL — I’M A LOVER — SHRINE JERRY JACKSON — IT’S ROUGH OUT THERE — PARKWAY JOHNNY MAESTRO & THE CRESTS — I’M STEPPING OUT OF THE PICTURE — SCEPTER DUSTY WILSON — IT’S GOING TO BE A TRAGEDY — MUTT SHIRLEY EDWARDS — DREAM MY HEART — SHRINE MARVA JOSIE — DON’T — UNITED ARTISTS DEAN COURTNEY — (LOVE) YOU JUST CAN’T WALK AWAY — MGM THE SPLENDORS — PLEASE DON’T GO — KARATE SAMMY KING — YOUR OLD STAND BY — MARATHON THE SPYDERS — PEACE OF MIND — ASSAULT JAY D BRYANT — I WON’T BE COMING BACK — SHRINE NINO TEMPO — BOYS TOWN — TOWER FRANK FURTER & HIS HOT DOGS — IMITATION - UPTOWN Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 :lol: Hope this doesn't degenerate into a Beat Ballad v Midtempo thread! Regards, Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark R Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Give me a 60's beat ballad over a funky trendy any old day of the week .. Awesome........ordinarily I'm not a collector of 60's soul, but if I were this would be near the top of the list.........I love it!! And to think that later in life Wade was a member of EW&F!! Cheers, Mark R 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jordirip Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Beat ballad or mid tempo, who gives a shit for these terms. Brilliance is brilliance. Porgy and the Monarchs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9JkhL1S5Do 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 :lol: Hope this doesn't degenerate into a Beat Ballad v Midtempo thread! Regards, Dave Yeah actually Dave I contradicted myself on the two podcasts I listed because there are a couple on there that aren't strictly beat ballads. I think the concept was 90% northern beat ballads and 10% Spector wall of soundalikes. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Roburt Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Detroit version of a Beat Ballad. Voice, song, musicianship........dogs doodahs. Regards, Dave I've loved this track since I bought a copy of the UK 'Rare Stamps' Stax LP as a new release. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tiggerwoods Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Freddie Houston - If I Had Known (Old Town)..........incredible Big City Soul from NYC. I would profess that these are records for SOUL fans, not Northern Soul fans..........and before anyone bites, of course you can be both, but many aren't so don't get records like this. That's very much their loss!! Cheers, Mark R What a record (Freddie H) ... got mates who don't profess to like soul but love this!! In my top 25 tunes ever Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tiggerwoods Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Can't upload this will. Judy Clay - Haven't got what it takes. Brilliant beat ballad !! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
nickp Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) Looking forward to hearing loads of this stuff at the Shotts Reunion set in Peebles next August. Edited November 14, 2012 by nickp Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) Yeah actually Dave I contradicted myself on the two podcasts I listed because there are a couple on there that aren't strictly beat ballads. I think the concept was 90% northern beat ballads and 10% Spector wall of soundalikes. Wall of Sound - Hang on.? Hang on Pete. .Love bb's myself,but dont get the "trendy funky shite" vs "bb's"...as different as chalk and cheese.Each has its place. Carry on. Edited November 14, 2012 by KevH 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Ss Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Hey, a topic i feel I can contribute to. Twenty five years ago these were big beat ballads. Not sure if in today's parlance they may be mid tempo, but for my money i would pick two big and pretty obvious choices: from the ladies......Mitty Collier "my party" chess from the gents.......Walter Jackson "after you there can be nothing" okeh cheers 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Hey, a topic i feel I can contribute to. Twenty five years ago these were big beat ballads. Not sure if in today's parlance they may be mid tempo, but for my money i would pick two big and pretty obvious choices: from the ladies......Mitty Collier "my party" chess from the gents.......Walter Jackson "after you there can be nothing" okeh cheers That Walter jackson is a brilliant choice Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jaco Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Definitely one of my favourite genres, so for me stuff like: Charades - Never set me free Jerry Fuller - Turn to me Ed Townsend - Don't lead me on Jean Wells - Don't come running to me would do it every time. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
arnie j Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 some absolutely fantastic pieces of soul music already mentioned but this one kills me everytime,heartbreaking stuff,pure soul brilliance,stafford heaven,great thread jason 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest CapitolSC Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 In the 80s Beat Ballads were sprinkled thru djs sets But with the coming of crossover and more funky sounds were relegated to become enders once again. Bring back the Beat Ballad Al H https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-bKDmrUGgo Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MrsWoodsrules Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I like em as closers, but couldn't have em all night but they have there place Prefer em a bit more uptempo, something like Changing Scene When The City Sleeps does it for me, fairly slow, big production. That said, RH Panic Is On is just class. Aid. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest CapitolSC Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Couldnt resist this one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Great stuff: https://youtu.be/FnO5HDbVVxg Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
arnie j Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 bill lucas-cause i know youre mine another example of beautiful stafford brilliance jason 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Another slice of class: A very young Ralfi Pagan and arranged by "The Wiz". Top notch. https://youtu.be/G99GYJUdqG8 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 bill lucas-cause i know youre mine another example of beautiful stafford brilliance jason Great record. Bob Finiz and Richie Rome. Both somewhat unsung Philly heroes/legends. Regards, Dave 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
arnie j Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Another slice of class: A very young Ralfi Pagan and arranged by "The Wiz". Top notch. man that is fantastic,first time for me ! brilliant soul music,got a voice like little anthony,was ray paige a white singer ? just wondering jason Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 man that is fantastic,first time for me ! brilliant soul music,got a voice like little anthony,was ray paige a white singer ? just wondering jason He was a Latin singer. I think he was Puerto Rican or summat. It's the flip to his "Ain't No Soul (Left In These Old Shoes). Dave 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Markw Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Always reminds me of Randy Cozens, 5a.m.-ish at the 100 Club, early 80s. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted November 14, 2012 Author Share Posted November 14, 2012 Mentioned this in my opener, Love this track Mal.C 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted November 14, 2012 Author Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) Love that Jimmy stokes, would never sell mine.. and this utterly brilliant track below is the sort of music you just cant beat... excuse the pun... Edited November 14, 2012 by Mal.C. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Codfromderby Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 does this count, awesome, obvious, but awesome 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted November 14, 2012 Author Share Posted November 14, 2012 Has this been mentioned on this thread? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted November 14, 2012 Author Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) does this count, awesome, obvious, but awesome Get in!!! Not on you tube, But a new one to me recently, John Bowie - I Never Felt so Lonely and the flip Fool I Would Be... quality Mal.C Edited November 14, 2012 by Mal.C. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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