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I know this may go over some people's heads, but before I put forward my little statement, just let me state ill buy anything, if its good...and this is a bit of fun, well kinda...

So, we're in 2012, and the 'funky' stuff has been in vogue for some years now, which is kinda crap really because if you collect all styles it always was, However, the mighy Beat Ballad, or serious sixties slowie now seems out of pace, and I F***** hate that!!!!

My feeling is There should be a back lash!!! So Brothers and Sisters, Before you buy your next 45 that's got that new trendy forward thinking dj description next to it, think closely, there is no going back, if you turn your back once again and don't choose a sixties beat ballad, the memories will start to fade, let me just list a couple to stirr that memory, and ask you state your allegience below, list em, and list em proud!!!!

I Love Sixties Beat Ballads!!!!!

George wydell, jimmy helms, wade flemons, tommy hunt, Sam fletcher, Johnny maestro, Kenny carter, Roy Hamilton, Freddy Cole,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gK-JDE3oRl0

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Tsk, care to revise your statement David? Dave likes funk and is fecked off as we still like soul, but how does he know where we go? Late night drinking and post

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Oh bollox I have just had to read it about ten times - I thought he was saying it's crap and always was... Mal - I openly apologise to you...though not for the thread title

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I know this may go over some people's heads, but before I put forward my little statement, just let me state ill buy anything, if its good...and this is a bit of fun, well kinda... So, we

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Christ there's me rallying the troops and the first feedback has come out of left field, no idea, does not matter. I Assume you know what it is... And love them, That's all you need to know Richard, list your favourites, and were off..

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Dunno - Buddy Smith on Brute, Dee Edwards on Tuba - do they count as BBs?

Tony MIddleton - Paris Blues (Mala) awesome :yes:

Little Anthony - It's Not The Same (Veep)

Am I barking up the right tree here?

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I know this may go over some people's heads, but before I put forward my little statement, just let me state ill buy anything, if its good...and this is a bit of fun, well kinda...

So, we're in 2012, and the 'funky' stuff has been in vogue for some years now, which is kinda crap really because if you collect all styles it always was, However, the mighy Beat Ballad, or serious sixties slowie now seems out of pace, and I F***** hate that!!!!

My feeling is There should be a back lash!!! So Brothers and Sisters, Before you buy your next 45 that's got that new trendy forward thinking dj description next to it, think closely, there is no going back, if you turn your back once again and don't choose a sixties beat ballad, the memories will start to fade, let me just list a couple to stirr that memory, and ask you state your allegience below, list em, and list em proud!!!!

I Love Sixties Beat Ballads!!!!!

George wydell, jimmy helms, wade flemons, tommy hunt, Sam fletcher, Johnny maestro, Kenny carter, Roy Hamilton, Freddy Cole,

Mal.c

Doug Banks - Baby Since You Went Away &, slightly more up-tempo, Rita Da Costa - You And Nothing More

A couple I enjoy at home with my pipe and slippers.

Edited 15th Nov to include missing video clips.

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Dunno - Buddy Smith on Brute, Dee Edwards on Tuba - do they count as BBs?

Tony MIddleton - Paris Blues (Mala) awesome :yes:

Little Anthony - It's Not The Same (Veep)

Am I barking up the right tree here?

Cheers

Richard

Paris Blues is an out and out Northern Soul stomper so definitely not a beat ballad.

Little Anthony is one.

Most beat ballads have quiet, understated choruses then hit you with a huge chorus.

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Paris Blues is an out and out Northern Soul stomper so definitely not a beat ballad.

Little Anthony is one.

Most beat ballads have quiet, understated choruses verses then hit you with a huge chorus.

I think you mean verses in this context Mr S............

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https://youtu.be/RwXwshqLzwg

This may seem to be an obvious choice in this genre yet it never fails to send me to ' that special place'.

A truly stunning vocal and such a haunting melody, absolute genius.

Looking forward to this thread turning up lots more of very special and also very personal sounds.

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I know this may go over some people's heads, but before I put forward my little statement, just let me state ill buy anything, if its good...and this is a bit of fun, well kinda...

So, we're in 2012, and the 'funky' stuff has been in vogue for some years now, which is kinda crap really because if you collect all styles it always was, However, the mighy Beat Ballad, or serious sixties slowie now seems out of pace, and I F***** hate that!!!!

My feeling is There should be a back lash!!! So Brothers and Sisters, Before you buy your next 45 that's got that new trendy forward thinking dj description next to it, think closely, there is no going back, if you turn your back once again and don't choose a sixties beat ballad, the memories will start to fade, let me just list a couple to stirr that memory, and ask you state your allegience below, list em, and list em proud!!!!

I Love Sixties Beat Ballads!!!!!

George wydell, jimmy helms, wade flemons, tommy hunt, Sam fletcher, Johnny maestro, Kenny carter, Roy Hamilton, Freddy Cole,

https://m.youtube.com...h?v=gK-JDE3oRl0

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In what context though, I absolutely love the slower soulful stuff

George Freeman and the like, but they wouldn't get a night bouncin' would they ??

Tony

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Freddie Houston - If I Had Known (Old Town)..........incredible Big City Soul from NYC.

I would profess that these are records for SOUL fans, not Northern Soul fans..........and before anyone bites, of course you can be both, but many aren't so don't get records like this.

That's very much their loss!!

Cheers,

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Freddie Houston - If I Had Known (Old Town)..........incredible Big City Soul from NYC.

I would profess that these are records for SOUL fans, not Northern Soul fans..........and before anyone bites, of course you can be both, but many aren't so don't get records like this.

That's very much their loss!!

Cheers,

Mark R

I would have to disagree - I'm not a massive SOUL fan but there's nothing I love more than real beat ballads like the one you suggested.

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Dave the Drug is adamant that the Wki entry for Northern Soul should be amended so that I can personally take credit for introducing the term Beat Ballad :lol:

late 80's we were desperately trying to find a phrase to describe this sort of records as 'midtempo' was proving inadequate. I don't know if I got it off a record list maybe so I don't think I actually did invent the term Beat Ballad, but I think I probably was the first person to put it into print and suddenly it was everywhere. I know the term has been about for 50 years - but not in this context.

But hey what do I know, I'm probably making all this up to look clever.

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And of course the Master of the BB himself. Who says whitey ain't got soul.....?? :thumbup:

Regards,

Dave

Whereas this is a real beat ballad, all the ingredients you need from, as you say, the master

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Anyone wanting to hear the absolute cream of beat ballads, these two podcasts will blow your socks off, possibly among the top 5 podcasts I've ever done (and I've done over 300)

https://podcast9122525417.podomatic.com/entry/2011-12-06T04_59_05-08_00

https://podcast9122525417.podomatic.com/entry/2011-12-08T07_08_54-08_00

PORGY & THE MONARCHS — IF IT’S FOR REAL — MUSICOR

FAYE CRAWFORD — WHAT HAVE I DONE WRONG — RCA

MARIE KNIGHT — A LITTLE TOO LONELY — MUSICOR

CLYDIE KING — THE THRILL IS GONE — IMPERIAL

WALTER JACKSON — IT’S AN UPHILL CLIMB TO THE BOTTOM — OKEH

JIMMY BEAUMONT — YOU GOT TOO MUCH GOING FOR YOU — BANG

THE KNICKERBOCKERS — WISHFUL THINKING — CHALLENGE

CLYDIE KING — MISSIN’ MY BABY — IMPERIAL

RUBY & THE ROMANTICS — YOUR BABY DOESN’T LOVE YOU ANYMORE — KAPP

GEORGE & SONNY SANDS — DOWN BY THE OCEAN — NEW VOICE

JIMMY CLANTON — HURTING EACH OTHER — MALA

RAY POLLARD — THE DRIFTER — UNITED ARTISTS

BOBBY SHEEN- SWEET SWEET LOVE — CAPITOL

ANITA BRYANT — MY MIND’S PLAYING TRICKS ON ME AGAIN — COLUMBIA

REPARATA & THE DELRONS — I’M NOBODY’S BABY — RCA

JERRY GANEY — JUST A FOOL — VERVE

NINO TEMPO & APRIL STEVENS — THE HABIT OF LOVIN’ YOU BABY — WHITE WHALE

TOMMY HUNT — LOVER — UNISSUED

JERRY JACKSON — I’M GONNA PAINT A PICTURE — PARKWAY

P.J. PROBY — I CAN’T MAKE IT ALONE — LIBERTY

CLYDIE KING — SOFT AND GENTLE WAYS — IMPERIAL

BOOTLEGGERS — DON’T COUNT ON TOMORROW — DISCOVERY

LINDA LLOYD — BREAKAWAY — COLUMBIA

TOMMY NAVARRO — I CRIED MY LIFE AWAY — DEJAC

AL McARTHUR — HIS TRUE LOVE FOR YOU — TWO GUITARS

MARION STEWART — I MUST BE LOSING YOU — R

HARRY STARR — STEP INTO MY WORLD — END

SAM WILLIAMS — LOVE SLIPPED THRU’ MY FINGERS - TOWER

DEE IRWIN — YOU CAN’T STOP ME LOVING YOU — UNISSUED

SONNY CHILDE — GIVING UP ON LOVE — DECCA

JIMMIE RAYE — YOU MUST BE LOSING YOUR MIND — GARRISON

JIMMY MILLER — ON A BACK STREET — COUNTERPART

CHARLES BRANDY — WITHOUT YOUR LOVE — BLUE CAT

THE WALL OF SOUND — HANG ON — BIG BIRD

WILLIE AMOS HUNT — WOULD YOU BELIEVE — STREAMSIDE

ANDREA HENRY — I NEED YOU LIKE A BABY — MGM

SANDY GOLDEN — WHEN WE’RE ALL ALONE TONIGHT — MASTERPIECE

LARRY WRIGHT — IT’S OK WITH ME — A GO GO

BROOKS O’DELL — WATCH YOUR STEP — GOLD

TOMMY TATE — I’M TAKING ON PAIN — OKEH

ANNABELLE FOX — LONELY GIRL — SATIN

THE INTENTIONS — DON’T FORGET THAT I LOVE YOU — PHILIPS

BARBARA LYNN — THIS IS THE THANKS I GET — ATLANTIC

KANE & ABEL — BREAK DOWN AND CRY — DESTINATION

SIDNEY HALL — I’M A LOVER — SHRINE

JERRY JACKSON — IT’S ROUGH OUT THERE — PARKWAY

JOHNNY MAESTRO & THE CRESTS — I’M STEPPING OUT OF THE PICTURE — SCEPTER

DUSTY WILSON — IT’S GOING TO BE A TRAGEDY — MUTT

SHIRLEY EDWARDS — DREAM MY HEART — SHRINE

MARVA JOSIE — DON’T — UNITED ARTISTS

DEAN COURTNEY — (LOVE) YOU JUST CAN’T WALK AWAY — MGM

THE SPLENDORS — PLEASE DON’T GO — KARATE

SAMMY KING — YOUR OLD STAND BY — MARATHON

THE SPYDERS — PEACE OF MIND — ASSAULT

JAY D BRYANT — I WON’T BE COMING BACK — SHRINE

NINO TEMPO — BOYS TOWN — TOWER

FRANK FURTER & HIS HOT DOGS — IMITATION - UPTOWN

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Give me a 60's beat ballad over a funky trendy any old day of the week ..

Awesome........ordinarily I'm not a collector of 60's soul, but if I were this would be near the top of the list.........I love it!! And to think that later in life Wade was a member of EW&F!!

Cheers,

Mark R

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Hope this doesn't degenerate into a Beat Ballad v Midtempo thread! :thumbup:

Regards,

Dave

Yeah actually Dave I contradicted myself on the two podcasts I listed because there are a couple on there that aren't strictly beat ballads. I think the concept was 90% northern beat ballads and 10% Spector wall of soundalikes.

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Detroit version of a Beat Ballad. Voice, song, musicianship........dogs doodahs. :thumbsup:

Regards, Dave

I've loved this track since I bought a copy of the UK 'Rare Stamps' Stax LP as a new release.

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Freddie Houston - If I Had Known (Old Town)..........incredible Big City Soul from NYC.

I would profess that these are records for SOUL fans, not Northern Soul fans..........and before anyone bites, of course you can be both, but many aren't so don't get records like this.

That's very much their loss!!

Cheers,

Mark R

What a record (Freddie H) ... got mates who don't profess to like soul but love this!! In my top 25 tunes ever

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Looking forward to hearing loads of this stuff at the Shotts Reunion set in Peebles next August.

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Yeah actually Dave I contradicted myself on the two podcasts I listed because there are a couple on there that aren't strictly beat ballads. I think the concept was 90% northern beat ballads and 10% Spector wall of soundalikes.

Wall of Sound - Hang on.? Hang on Pete. :lol: .Love bb's myself,but dont get the "trendy funky shite" vs "bb's"...as different as chalk and cheese.Each has its place.

Carry on. :lol:

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Hey, a topic i feel I can contribute to.

Twenty five years ago these were big beat ballads.

Not sure if in today's parlance they may be mid tempo, but for my money i would pick two big and pretty obvious choices:

from the ladies......Mitty Collier "my party" chess

from the gents.......Walter Jackson "after you there can be nothing" okeh

cheers

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Hey, a topic i feel I can contribute to.

Twenty five years ago these were big beat ballads.

Not sure if in today's parlance they may be mid tempo, but for my money i would pick two big and pretty obvious choices:

from the ladies......Mitty Collier "my party" chess

from the gents.......Walter Jackson "after you there can be nothing" okeh

cheers

That Walter jackson is a brilliant choice :yes:

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Definitely one of my favourite genres, so for me stuff like:

Charades - Never set me free

Jerry Fuller - Turn to me

Ed Townsend - Don't lead me on

Jean Wells - Don't come running to me

would do it every time.

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some absolutely fantastic pieces of soul music already mentioned but this one kills me everytime,heartbreaking stuff,pure soul brilliance,stafford heaven,great thread

jason

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I like em as closers, but couldn't have em all night but they have there place

Prefer em a bit more uptempo, something like Changing Scene When The City Sleeps does it for me, fairly slow, big production.

That said, RH Panic Is On is just class.

Aid.

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Another slice of class: A very young Ralfi Pagan and arranged by "The Wiz". Top notch. :thumbsup:

man that is fantastic,first time for me ! brilliant soul music,got a voice like little anthony,was ray paige a white singer ? just wondering

jason

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man that is fantastic,first time for me ! brilliant soul music,got a voice like little anthony,was ray paige a white singer ? just wondering

jason

He was a Latin singer. I think he was Puerto Rican or summat. It's the flip to his "Ain't No Soul (Left In These Old Shoes).

Dave

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Love that Jimmy stokes, would never sell mine.. and this utterly brilliant track below is the sort of music you just cant beat... excuse the pun... :elvis:

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does this count, awesome, obvious, but awesome

Get in!!!

Not on you tube, But a new one to me recently, John Bowie - I Never Felt so Lonely and the flip Fool I Would Be... quality

Mal.C :elvis:

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