Sean Hampsey Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Twas indeed Shaun, was that the one owned by/ or had some connection to Van Mcoys sister/manager/wife/uncle bla bla bla , can't for the life of me remember, it was opposite a Mcdonalds tho That's right Arthur. Chris was Van McCoy's road manager for a number of years, apparently. He gave us private press LP's of early VanMC stuff featuring Chris Bartley, Sandi Sheldon etc. We had a good day there. Cashmeres Showstopper, a dozen Ruby Andrews, Vivian Reed etc. at 3 bucks apiece. But left behind the grail, for you to pick up the week after. :0) Sean 1
boba Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 I'm totally lost now. Is someone saying that a FAIRMOUNT test press is the rouser version? Because that would be evidence for the rouser version being first.
Dave Pinch Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 bob the test press john parker has a white label but with the (f1017) catalogue number but plays the version with the sax break edited so it seems it was made for the rouser release.. its not a fairmount test press as it states no label only a cat number
boba Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 what is in the deadwax of the rouser record? what is in the deadwax of the fairmount record?
Guest turntableterra Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 quote name='Pete S' timestamp='1352811389' post='1822246' Oh sorry, didn't realise it was so common. quote name='Pete S' timestamp='1352811389' post='1822246' Oh sorry, didn't realise it was so common. /quote GETTING COMMON IN OZ
Guest chorleybloke Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Was the shop in DC called New Wax Unlimited? The seller of this latest copy told me he found it in the basement there in the 90s and has owned it ever since. What I don't get is if this is the 2nd release, what motivated them to make the sax break shorter? Surely if you wanted to improve sales prospects you'd make it longer wouldn't you - which would support the theory that Rouser came first? Cheers......Pete
boba Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Surely if you wanted to improve sales prospects you'd make it longer wouldn't you why? anyways, I don't think you could get into the head of whoever was cutting or extending a sax break and for what reason. The deadwax might give clues though.
Sean Hampsey Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Was the shop in DC called New Wax Unlimited? The seller of this latest copy told me he found it in the basement there in the 90s and has owned it ever since. What I don't get is if this is the 2nd release, what motivated them to make the sax break shorter? Surely if you wanted to improve sales prospects you'd make it longer wouldn't you - which would support the theory that Rouser came first? Cheers......Pete Yes Peter, it was New Wax Unlimited. And have just learned that Chris, the owner, passed away around 10 years ago and the store closed. So both the TP and the "latest copy" both came from the same store. Distribution - The secret of success! :0) Sean
George G Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Apologies if someone has mentioned this, but the El Corols on Rouser is an edited (at the beginning) version of a previously released song, as the Tiny label is confirmed to be first. So there is a precedent of Rouser editing a released recording. Doesn't prove anything though. 2
Dave Pinch Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 (edited) what is in the deadwax of the rouser record? what is in the deadwax of the fairmount record? the vinyl is totally different i know that much,,,i had tim browns copy in my hands when it was the only `known` copyi... goin away to work i can post the fairmount details later in the week if no one beats me to it, seeing as they as different versions the plate would be different i`d say..maybe john parker can give the deadwax details on his copy..or perhaps someone has an actual rouser copy as that might even be different to johns Edited November 26, 2012 by dave pinch
Dave Pinch Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Was the shop in DC called New Wax Unlimited? The seller of this latest copy told me he found it in the basement there in the 90s and has owned it ever since. What I don't get is if this is the 2nd release, what motivated them to make the sax break shorter? Surely if you wanted to improve sales prospects you'd make it longer wouldn't you - which would support the theory that Rouser came first? Cheers......Pete but it is 100% edited and not extended
Dave Pinch Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Apologies if someone has mentioned this, but the El Corols on Rouser is an edited (at the beginning) version of a previously released song, as the Tiny label is confirmed to be first. So there is a precedent of Rouser editing a released recording. Doesn't prove anything though. but its one of the main reasons that lends to my theory,,,,,
boba Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 the vinyl is totally different i know that much,,,i had tim browns copy in my hands when it was the only `known` copyi... goin away to work i can post the fairmount details later in the week if no one beats me to it, seeing as they as different versions the plate would be different i`d say..maybe john parker can give the deadwax details on his copy..or perhaps someone has an actual rouser copy as that might even be different to johns I assume the plates are different, that's why I'm asking for the deadwax info for clues. Thanks.
Sean Hampsey Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 f 1016 is a cover of wooley bully by lonnie young blood who had 3 releases on faiirmount.. 1 in 65 & 2 in 66.......i think because of my heart is late 1966 the label folded late 67 OK, found the date. Because Of My Heart was copyrighted Dec 14 1966 - Words and Music by Frankie Beverly Copyright Cameo Parkway Pub Co Inc and Pecle Music. No mention of Tommy Rouse, but who owned Pecle Music? Possible that belonged to Tommy? I'm in Washington DC this afternoon. I'll look him up, lol. Might also have a dig around for the stock of New Wax Unlimited :0) Sean 1
Dave Pinch Posted November 29, 2012 Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) the farmount copy is bell sound stamped and has f.1017 A and E.Y scratched in. Edited November 29, 2012 by dave pinch
boba Posted November 30, 2012 Posted November 30, 2012 this is as of 1968: Pecle Music Publishing 1834 West Girard Ave. Philadelphia, PA 19130 now it's an apartment building.
Chalky Posted November 30, 2012 Posted November 30, 2012 but who owned Pecle Music? Sean At a guess from quick searches on the Internet, Frankie Beverley or whoever owns the name Maze as Maze is owned by Pecle Publishing. https://trademarcx.com/US73120549
Guest turntableterra Posted November 30, 2012 Posted November 30, 2012 quote name='boba' timestamp='1354245548' post='1849241' anyone know the rouser deadwax? quote BOBA THE NUMBERS ON ROUSER ARE F1017AA, WITH A PROFESSIONALLY STAMPED "R" OPPOSITE,
boba Posted November 30, 2012 Posted November 30, 2012 thanks a lot. I'm convinced at this point that the rouser record was second. Why would it have an "f" in the deadwax with the fairmount catalog number unless it was a post-fairmount record. if it was a demo to be shopped around before being picked up by a big label, I don't think it would be designated a fairmount catalog number. more evidence including the copyright being filed by cameo and the fact that fairmount had released an earlier record by the butlers makes me think that the rouser record is after. Also, as George pointed out, Fairmount released an edit of another previously released record (el corols). None of this evidence alone is proof but together I'm convinced. Thanks. 1
boba Posted November 30, 2012 Posted November 30, 2012 thanks a lot. I'm convinced at this point that the rouser record was second. Why would it have an "f" in the deadwax with the fairmount catalog number unless it was a post-fairmount record. if it was a demo to be shopped around before being picked up by a big label, I don't think it would be designated a fairmount catalog number. more evidence including the copyright being filed by cameo and the fact that fairmount had released an earlier record by the butlers makes me think that the rouser record is after. Also, as George pointed out, Fairmount released an edit of another previously released record (el corols). None of this evidence alone is proof but together I'm convinced. Thanks. that should say "Rouser released an edit of another previously released record" 1
Rich B Posted December 1, 2012 Posted December 1, 2012 (edited) Nothing constructive to add to this thread but when Jon Woodliffe was selling up I had bought some records off him, and then he whipped out a Professionals and a Frank Beverly on Rouser and advised me the two could be mine for £25 quid apiece. I pointed out he had just relieved me of a months wages and he kindly told me I could owe him. The wife however took an opposing view, and I had to decline his generous offer. As it turned out I would have had the records longer than the wife so that's definitely another 'record regret' of mine! Does anyone know who did have the FB from Jon? Apologies for the trivia injection. Edited December 1, 2012 by Rich B
Soulman Posted December 1, 2012 Posted December 1, 2012 Nothing constructive to add to this thread but when Jon Woodliffe was selling up I had bought some records off him, and then he whipped out a Professionals and a Frank Beverly on Rouser and advised me the two could be mine for £25 quid apiece. I pointed out he had just relieved me of a months wages and he kindly told me I could owe him. The wife however took an opposing view, and I had to decline his generous offer. As it turned out I would have had the records longer than the wife so that's definitely another 'record regret' of mine! Does anyone know who did have the FB from Jon? Apologies for the trivia injection. What year was this because I was offered a Rouser copy at the Fleet for £20?????
Rich B Posted December 1, 2012 Posted December 1, 2012 What year was this because I was offered a Rouser copy at the Fleet for £20????? If memory serves it was very early 1980, JW was working at the Kev Roberts shop on Hurts Yard (the one that Rob Smith currently occupies) if that helps. He was selling the northern to pursue a jazz-funk dj career.
Soulman Posted December 1, 2012 Posted December 1, 2012 (edited) If memory serves it was very early 1980, JW was working at the Kev Roberts shop on Hurts Yard (the one that Rob Smith currently occupies) if that helps. He was selling the northern to pursue a jazz-funk dj career. I bought a few things off Jim. In fact got the Frankie Karl red stocker off him for peanuts but it wasn't Jim that was selling it back then. Tothis day I can't remember the guys name but being the pr*ck that I am, I already had it on Fairmount, didn't know it on Rouser and declined the offer. Such is life Steve Edited December 1, 2012 by soulman
Guest Dave Turner Posted December 1, 2012 Posted December 1, 2012 (edited) I bought a few things off Jim. In fact got the Frankie Karl red stocker off him for peanuts but it wasn't Jim that was selling it back then. Tothis day I can't remember the guys name but being the pr*ck that I am, I already had it on Fairmount, didn't know it on Rouser and declined the offer. Such is life Steve Erm, Rich saying JW meant Jonathan Woodliffe was working at Kev Roberts' shop not Jim Wensiora Edited December 1, 2012 by Dave Turner
Soulman Posted December 1, 2012 Posted December 1, 2012 (edited) Erm, Rich saying JW meant Jonathan Woodliffe was working at Kev Roberts' shop not Jim Wensiora Soz, Me having a busy moment between what I should be doing and what I shouldn't.... if you know what I mean. Been a bad day... one of those where simple people get confused, now what was i doing? Steve And for the record we need to distinguish between Jonathon Woodliffe (Frank Wilson / Jazz Funk / Kev Roberts etc) and Jim Wensiora (man of many records who I bought a few from, rare, not expensive at the time and made me a profit... not that its all about that as I wish I still had the records he sold me ) Edited December 1, 2012 by soulman
Rich B Posted December 1, 2012 Posted December 1, 2012 Erm, Rich saying JW meant Jonathan Woodliffe was working at Kev Roberts' shop not Jim Wensiora Thanks Dave, I was a bit puzzled about the 'Jim' thing but I figured out I figured it would work itself out - and see, I was right! best, RB
Blackpoolsoul Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) On 24/11/2012 at 09:51, Dave Pinch said: yes the best part of the record, the sax break is shamefully cut off in its prime on the rouser copy......no one is certain when it was made but what is certain its a 2nd issue probably done 1968 or later by the producer after cameo/parkway bit the dust,,,,,,,,the release was probably cancelled due to copyright I know it's been ages but I wasn't a member in 2012 Found this and it might help (sorry if it's been covered since Dave) I assume it was after March 1970 ? Edited December 30, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul
Dave Pinch Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 53 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: I know it's been ages but I wasn't a member in 2012 Found this and it might help (sorry if it's been covered since Dave) I assume it was after March 1970 ? that would make it 4 years after the fairmount release 1
Blackpoolsoul Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Dave Pinch said: that would make it 4 years after the fairmount release On the El Corols release (first on Tiny) I reckon all the dates are wrong on that one too
Chalky Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: I know it's been ages but I wasn't a member in 2012 Found this and it might help (sorry if it's been covered since Dave) I assume it was after March 1970 ? What is the entry for? It doesn't specify?
Chalky Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) full screen shot for you.... It looks like an entry for a patent though not necessarily the set up of the company? Page 877 https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Official_Gazette_of_the_United_States_Pa/JxXlo2QOkQoC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=thomas+earl+rouse+washington+dc&pg=PA877-IA101&printsec=frontcover Edited December 30, 2020 by Chalky 1
Tricky Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 Could the Rouser copy for sale at the Fleet have been Adam Buchannans? Sure I saw him selling it there!
Chalky Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 The El Corals release, pressed by Recordings Incorporated and someone said on 45cat that according to RI list it is a 1969 release/press, it also uses the patented image above.
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