Ric-tic Posted November 22, 2012 Posted November 22, 2012 It still remains evident that this subject topic is viewed as intrusive id agree, this makes barrys poll results [so far] fascinating i for one cannot believe that the final option is winning!
Barry Posted November 22, 2012 Author Posted November 22, 2012 id agree, this makes barrys poll results [so far] fascinating i for one cannot believe that the final option is winning! Confuscious say: the one who shouts loudest is always heard first. Barry say: keep your eye on the quiet one.
Barry Posted November 22, 2012 Author Posted November 22, 2012 id agree, this makes barrys poll results [so far] fascinating i for one cannot believe that the final option is winning! The sixties and seventies votes combined are winning in reality - if this is a dinosaur and egg race (joke) 1
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Guest MrC Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 I don't think it's viewed as intrusive Nick, there's a lot of fans on here, I love disco, modern soul, jazz funk, and all versions of 'house' music (regardless of what Jocko thinks)! The main stumbling block seems to be exactly what 'Disco' is.
Guest Nick Harrison Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) The main stumbling block seems to be exactly what 'Disco' is. And viewed on a northern and rare soul site is the main stumbling block. Most posters on this topic on here - have and own a clear understanding of what the term really means !! Its been defined - its just the lack of valued acceptance my the small pocketed divisions on here that cannot address it correctly. Edited November 23, 2012 by Nick Harrison
jocko Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) 　 I love disco, modern soul, jazz funk, and all versions of 'house' music (regardless of what Jocko thinks)! FFS do you want to show me where I said anything of the sort, read it back and you will see I was saying the opposite of how you have taken it. I don't think I could have been any clearer. Christ on a bike I am staying out of this to let people enjoy it but I won't sit back and yet again someone has a go at me based on their warped perception rather than reality. Same old on here, attack the person not the points. If you actually read it it was your rather school boy like of another post was the only ones casting doubt on anyones knowledge, hence my sarcastic tweedle dee comment. Niavely I expected more from you based on your other postings The main stumbling block seems to be exactly what 'Disco' is. No actually if you read it back the main stumbling block was people getting all uppity because people might have a different understanding from them, based on a whole load of different scenes and the usual assumption making. That’s normally called debate. Other people were making same point as me but as usual people were more interesed in the person. There seems to be no stumbling block now so why not join in rather than try to score points. I don't think it's viewed as intrusive Nick, there's a lot of fans on here . Actually read back to our exchange and you contradict yourself. Lots of posts on here prove Barry's points and lots of early posts show people judge this very one dimensional, which I suspect was Barry's point exactly. I will not put any more negativity round this as some great stuff going on but I will correct each time someone decides to spout shit involving me. Edited November 23, 2012 by jocko 1
Guest Nick Harrison Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) And just on a foot note. If it's any comfort I like many others collected huge amounts of "termed rare 45's and 12's" played on the UK modern soul scene from 1981 to 1988.................... to be educated years later and learn the modern scene had been increasingly fuelled by a percentage of Boogie records. Boogie being a very very close relative to Disco. Think on !! Edited November 24, 2012 by Nick Harrison 1
Guest MrC Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 Jocko, I 'like' things I agree with, I also 'like' things that make me smile, and I'm not spouting shit about you! I approach all of the 'discussions' on here in good humour, and will continue to do so, I don't get involved in slanging matches and am not about to start now! I still think that a lot of the comments have stemmed from people having different ideas of exactly what 'Disco' is, we obviously have different ideas on the subject, but that's healthy, surely. Just because I think 'Disco' as a genre was over in 1979/80 and had split into different sub genres of it's own doesn't mean I'm necessarily right, or that I'm going to attack anyone who disagrees with me. I used to manage a website - 2groovy.co.uk - about 10 years ago, which covered what I believe to be the 'Disco' years. It had discographies for Salsoul and Prelude record labels, which I think are THE main labels that were at the forefront of good disco music, along with a 'disco' top 50. - But that was, and still is, just my opinion.
jocko Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 Jocko, I 'like' things I agree with, I also 'like' things that make me smile, and I'm not spouting shit about you! I approach all of the 'discussions' on here in good humour, and will continue to do so, I don't get involved in slanging matches and am not about to start now! So you like a comment that says I know nothing about the subject, when I have actually said very little and you obviously know nothing about me, and you accuse me of making some judgement of you, and you name me in it so I am flabbergasted you continue to deny it, that is completely the opposite of what I said and neither are slanging or spouting shit. Really. Do I really need to requote the line where I said you had a valid point and would have liked to debate, or are you just taking the usual blinkered approach and refusing to debate the facts. I cut out because you were more interested in supporting a mate than facts, which was dissapointing. Too often some peoples way on here to just throw muck and I just wont have it, as much as I only want to get involved in positive. I still think that a lot of the comments have stemmed from people having different ideas of exactly what 'Disco' is, we obviously have different ideas on the subject, but that's healthy, surely. And do you want to physically show me initially where I said it wasn't healthy or where I was anything other than willing to debate the subject. Interesting you don't seem to have a go at any one else, so I can only assume you think it is healthy to insult people into the music with the Patrick Hernandez jibe. Your condemnation sounds more than a little one sided. As I say I said nothing negative about you other than insulted your school boy jibes. My right. I really am off here, as I say people are having fun so if you have a problem with me in future PM rather than stick my name against a false accusation.
Guest MrC Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 I never mentioned Patrick Hernandez, or made schoolboy jibes, and as I've pointed out, I am actually a fan of Disco, and would never insult anyone for their musical preferences, and am a bit put out that you suggested that's what I'm doing, so you're the one having a go and making false accusations! I have nothing against you, so have no need to PM you. The comments you've highlighted were general observations, not a personal attack. I've said what I have to say, and have no desire to prolong your obviously argumentative mood..... I'm off to listen to Loletta Holloway and eat a mince pie. Merry Christmas everyone!
jocko Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 F**k sake, another case of buy one get one free is it. Tweedle dee and Tweedle dumb. And I challenged Mr Dewhirst opinion, as I often do, he decides whether he accepts it or debates it further, as he always does, but never does he come on saying I am right so why are you daring not to agree with me. You have a valid point and one would find many agree with it. I disagree with it, as is my right. It would have been interesting to debate it you as I suspect you will be aware of Disco Joints etc. However, Patrick Hernandez is not a valid point and I have a right to show it up for yet another churlish attention seeking attempt. Well actually I don't have a right at is not good for the site, I just find it hard to ignore Bullies. And what might have been an interesting debate is now spoiled, I am off, will leave you to it. My comment 　 I don't think it's viewed as intrusive Nick, there's a lot of fans on here, I love disco, modern soul, jazz funk, and all versions of 'house' music (regardless of what Jocko thinks)! Your interpretation of my statement. Accusing me of thinking something without evidence is false. Accusing me of saying the opposite of what I say is false and spouting shit. Accusing me of not knowing a disco record just because I had a different opinion is getting into a slanging match. Denying all of that is being a liar. Me getting involved is f***ng stupid and makes me a half wit, but as I say I am fed up of people wrongly having a go and not having decency to admit their part. If you are intentionally winding me up, well done, it worked, Sorry everyone, I am really off, honest. back to You Tube clips etc please.
Barry Posted November 23, 2012 Author Posted November 23, 2012 Christ on a bike Nice one Jocko - always makes me larf
Northern Soul Uk Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) Definitely 2 of the best underplayed 'Disco' records ever. Edited November 24, 2012 by Steve Luigi
Soulman58 Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 I think GeordieJ summed it up wel. IMHO there is soulful disco, relevant to this site, as there is soulful Northern (and lots that isn't) dtto most other music types including Jazz note Pete S and it definitely didn't end at the start of the 70s.Chalky! I appreciate that not all NS fans are what I would class as Soul lovers in all of it's guises. Top disco track Ten Per Cent - Double Exposure
Dave Pinch Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 i always thought that disco was prominently white/poppy voices over the late 70`s style dance beat......if the vocal is soulful then its soul in my book..the double exposure classic in the post above being a prime example....its soul to me..just my opinion and one that wont change with debate
Soulman58 Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 i always thought that disco was prominently white/poppy voices over the late 70`s style dance beat......if the vocal is soulful then its soul in my book..the double exposure classic in the post above being a prime example....its soul to me..just my opinion and one that wont change with debate
Soulman58 Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 Dave, My take is that the disco scene in the states started at around the tme George McCrae's Rock You Baby was released to a sound onwards and towards the end of the 70s UK pop jumped onto the bandwagon, much of which had no or little soulful content. You therefore had many commercial clubs playing classic soul/disco tracks alongside many mainstraeam pop/dance records. Whilst in the more specialist soul clubs soul/dance sounds and jazz/funk were played side by side. In the same way that Northern suffered as Wigan became too commercial, ie egos kick in and to a degree the bucks counted more than the sounds, southern all dayers/weekenders started to suffer due to the atmosphere becoming more important that the sounds being played and some more poppy disco sounds crept in. So it all comes down to whether Disco is only ever seen as the poppier side or whether Disco can incvlude top notch soul/jazz/funk sounds and further down the line garage/house etc. As someone else said earlier Wigan claimed to be the greatest disco in thw world.
Chalky Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 and it definitely didn't end at the start of the 70s.Chalky! I think you will find that comment was made with tongue firmly in cheek if you knew me you'd know that
MrsWoodsrules Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 My first real experience of 'disco' was at the Ritz Alldayers in the 70's with Levine & Co. Donna Summer's I Feel Love blew me away the very first time I heard it, lots of great stuff like Brainstorm, Idris Mohammed, Micheal Zagar Band, really opened my eyes at the time. I'm sure this stuff was reflecting what was happening in New York at that time & was ahead of the game relatively speaking. But, like anything, once it went mainstream & with that commercialised, was a real turn off for me (mostly). A few generations later, got back into 'club' music with the likes of afrika bambaataa, D Train, Frankie Knuckles and the whole Chicago House thing a bit later, but I suppose thats another story. Aid.
Northern Soul Uk Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) I think many people and many DJs went from the Northern scene into the Disco and House scenes when Northern got too mainstream being played on Radio 1 etc. It was a natural progression, and the Rave scene in particular when it hit in the late 80s bore more than a slight resemblance to the Northern scene of the 60s and 70s. What with people traveling miles to get to the clubs, popping sweeties and dancing all night. Edited November 24, 2012 by Steve Luigi
Northern Soul Uk Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 ................popping sweeties and dancing all night. Disco Source........ . No Disco Biscuits!
Ric-tic Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 heres a couple of disco classics that will make the disco haters run for the hills! https://youtu.be/Yo-2bymJbA0 https://youtu.be/Un2DHhEExQc
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