Have noticed a slight drop in attendances to nighters since theres been a higher number of Soul nights utilising 'Niter' DJs.

whats the difference joe between a soul night dj and a nighter dj ?

Davie

soul night djs tend to be local - niter djs tend to go further afield... i.m.o.

Theres Soul nights that book all of the current Niter DJs...

Events like Soul or Nothing, Groovey Grooves and Piercebridge have utilised DJs who I would consider to be established 'Niter' DJs

Soul Sam, Mick H, Andy Dyson, Mark Bicknell, Dean Anderson all spring to mind as being more commonly known as 'Niter DJs' but have had a fair few 'Soul Night' bookings recently.

Years ago you would have HAD to attend a niter to listen to the sounds that were getting played by these DJs

At the same time:

Ah but then you have to stay up all night and some of us are far to old for that Joe

Niter djs at Soul or Nothing? Paul Sadot and Karl Rhodes are probably considered by some to be niter djs but who else? We've not had any of the djs on your list on yet have we? Most the djs at SON are collectors in the main.

I can see a steady decline in Niters over the next few years for the following reasons:

Later licences mean that people are more likely to stay in a 'Soul night' that runs until 3.30+ than scooch off to the 'local' niter... especialy if the designated driver has taken advantage of the later bar times...

Attendees are getting older and many are 'crashing and burning' around the 5 o'clock point, so many will start to go to events that start earlier so that they get their moneys worth before bailing out at 4.30.

hmm there used to be a time not so long ago we used to travel up and down the country to hear certain DJ's spin and certain sound's, now people just dont have to travel anymore.... has taken a lot of the fun out of it for a lot of us, as for the few who still make the effort, myself included you don't always get to see the friends you used to, tis sad, but doubt there is anything you or I can do about it think this needs another thread to discuss this in

Edited January 18, 200619 yr by pikeys dog

A good venue will always attract a good crowd,there are far to many promotions on at the moment in bad venues with crap wannabe djs run on a shoe string,hopefuly these will fold so that the good venues can continue.I do belive the scene is shrinking and there are,nt enough youngsters comeing into the scene but a scene without niters now that would be crap.Over the next couple of years as the crowds thin some of the nites run with no financial backing will fold and hopefuly the diehards of the niter scene will support the quality venues that are left,and before anyone gives it the usual we run it for the love of the scene,bollocks.To run a good nite you need a good venue with good travel access,that costs,you need a good lineup good enough for people to be bothered to travel,that costs, advertiseing equipment door staff and thick skin to listen to every tell you how to run the nite.There is no money in running niters it is done by most for the love of it,so i for one hope niters do continue but they wont, if we continualy dilute the scene.

before anyone gives it the usual we run it for the love of the scene,bollocks.

There is no money in running niters it is done by most for the love of it

why do you do it then, andy?

why do you do it then, andy?

We do it because of our love of this Music. It costs thousands to put a nighter on. The majority of nighter promoters cant afford to run these events at a loss so you have to get off your arse and promote the venue that your involved with. That means for me personnally going out most weekends fri and sat even if i dont want to . I spend more on travelling / entry to these venues promoting Winsford than i have ever made from the Nighter itself. So why else would i do it other than for the love of this music.So next time you go out think of the people who run the venue, how much time, effort and money they put in to give you in the majority of times a good night out.

Steve

We do it because of our love of this Music. It costs thousands to put a nighter on. The majority of nighter promoters cant afford to run these events at a loss so you have to get off your arse and promote the venue that your involved with. That means for me personnally going out most weekends fri and sat even if i dont want to . I spend more on travelling / entry to these venues promoting Winsford than i have ever made from the Nighter itself. So why else would i do it other than for the love of this music.So next time you go out think of the people who run the venue, how much time, effort and money they put in to give you in the majority of times a good night out.

Steve

hi steve

i was really pointing out that andy seemed to be saying that other people don't run events for the love of the music ('before anyone gives it the usual we run it for the love of the scene,bollocks') while suggesting he and some others do ('There is no money in running niters it is done by most for the love of it'). just found this a bit subjective and mildly contradictory, is all.

i know nighters and other promotions cost a lot of time and effort (i ran cov in the 80s) and have only admiration (and sympathy) for those who put their arses on the line in this way

dan

hi steve

i was really pointing out that andy seemed to be saying that other people don't run events for the love of the music ('before anyone gives it the usual we run it for the love of the scene,bollocks') while suggesting he and some others do ('There is no money in running niters it is done by most for the love of it'). just found this a bit subjective and mildly contradictory, is all.

i know nighters and other promotions cost a lot of time and effort (i ran cov in the 80s) and have only admiration (and sympathy) for those who put their arses on the line in this way

dan

Dan, Glad you noticed it because i thought i was getting confused in my old age. both for and against in the the same statement unless we are missing a point somewhere

Steve

Your right dan i was saying that some dont run them for the love of it,if its for profit then thats a mistake but thats just my opinion.

Seems to me that the idea of allnighters speaks to a certain group of experienced soul fans from an era past, and in the US, to anglophiles that fashion themselves as MODS or SKINS. A soul night seems more easily digestable by your average person on the street who enjoys soul, and if found a venue for it, would love to hear tunes that he has never heard before on a regular basis. both have their function. personally, i hate the idea of having to answer the question "What is Northern Soul?" on a regular basis, so would much rather bill my event as a Soul Night.

God, Im sure you people hate me by now.

Point is, the music speaks for itself. Keep playing it (wherever and whenever) and people will keep coming to hear it.

I personally believe that the allnighters will on a whole go back to being more underground with attendance figures dropping to 150 - 300 max, more likely to be at the lower end of the scale.

One or 2 of the obvious big events may well continue being successful a few times a year, but I really believe the smaller nighters will become the main stay.

The music will have to merge more to accomodate lower numbers so shite R&B will get played alongside wishy washy Northern and disco bunny modern

Seriously though, this should allow more new tunes in all genres to break through.....as it used to do.

Soul nights attendance figures will probably stay healthier for a lot longer due to the reasons outlined in previous posts, but a lot of allnighters have basically become extended soul nights due to the mass attendance expecting the same tunes they hear week in week out at their local soul nights....and the dancefloor dictates on such occasions.

I think there is plenty of young DJs with plenty to offer, they may not be Butch et al by any standard, but they usually have limited exposure to play stuff they truly believe in, so time will tell.

As for their choice of tunes, all said and done, one mans meat, is another mans poison.......

The underground soulscene has always been an allniter scene if that goes something very special will be lost.No soul nite no matter how good can compare to a good allniter imo .

Mace what kind of music will you be playing at the all-niter? I know it says rare but can you give me some kind of idea. My niece live on Saxonfields and I will up there on the 18th and will be coming along, but just wanted an idea of the tunes you will be playing. cheers Theresa

My opinion as well Andy, but it seems that many are now just attending 'big one off' events, leaving monthly allnighters to suffer with lower attendances.

Instead of the monthly niter, more and more seem to prefer the current batch of soul nights.

The consequences for the niter scene have yet to be seen fully, but I'm afraid it ain't looking good for those of us who want it to go beyond the next five - ten years.