Guest gibber Posted October 27, 2012 Posted October 27, 2012 Which one is the hardest to pick up & what got played first ?
Steve G Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 Frankie Karl and Frankie Karl I'd say (played at WC by Richard)....same recording though isn't it?
grant Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 certainly seems to be more of the 7th Ave's been sold over the years https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=frankie+karl&x=27&y=16 https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=7th+avenue+aviators&thumbs=&currsel=&sortord=&x=23&y=16
Guest gibber Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 Thanks for the reply Steve Sorry meant what label,. Did RS play it on Congress and someone realises got the same on Philtown So what’s the story about different labels?
Mrtag Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 A lot more Congress 7th Ave Aviators around than the Philtown releases and don't be fooled by the price guide seen more green/yellow issues and wdj copies than the red issues
Dennisoul Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 7th Ave issue is a hard one......the flip to Frankie Karl is really nice, can't remember off hand what it's called though.
Barry Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 Oh! the way that the 7th A used to bump out of those Wigan speakers...a stand alone memory.
Roburt Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 Frankie Karl was originally from LA where he sang in gospel choirs with the likes of Gloria Jones & Billy Preston. He joined the US airforce & it was in that period that he helped form the Chevrons. I believe that the F.K. & Chevrons tracks were cut in Philly under the direction of Dave Chackler who went on to be a big promotions guy for Mercury / Smash Records (he was credited with breaking Jay & the Techniques "Apple, Peaches, Pumpkin Pie"). After he left the airforce, Frankie returned to LA and there hooked up with (U)gene Dozier. Gene cut him in LA on a song titled "Don't Be Afraid" but then Gene relocated to DC. He released the track on a DC 45 & it hit big -- the 45 being picked up for national distribution by Bell. Gene had failed to sign Frankie to a contract & so with a hit on his hands, he signed with the label that offered him the most money (Liberty) and never had another hit !!.
Steve G Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 Richard played it on Phil Town as I recall it. The 7th Ave Aviators was played pretty soon afterwards. Why two labels? usual story someone hawking round the masters for release I'd say. Roburt, he also recorded for Gordy just before he died.
Guest Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 ..same recording though isn't it? My memory says no...the Philtown sounds a touch more sparse/group-sounding in its production. I'd put rarity in this order...rarest first: Red Philtown Green/yellow Philtown WD Philtown WD Congress ...unless there is a stock copy on Congress, as I've never seen one.
Chalky Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 I thought the recordings were the same except the into was longer on one?
Guest Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 I thought the recordings were the same except the into was longer on one? The intro percussion, especially the more 'thuddier' bass-drum (Philtown), and tambourine work (far higher/crisper on Congress) are different...I had WDs on both labels at one stage and can recall there was a difference. 1
Steve Foran Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 Frankie Karl was also in either Hair or Jesus Christ Superstar. Think the Red Philtown is the rarer format. Actually got a signed copy. Richard played it on a White Philtown copy at WC. 1
Speedlimit Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 searling played frankie karl first late 79 covered as the showmen 7th avenue aviators ws played a year or so later
Prophonics 2029 Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) 7th is more in your face where frankie sounds like its a bigger hall sound with short and long intro's. Allways a bit confusing cheverons or aviators when trying to find out if these were just part of the cover up story to bamboozled your brains Edited October 29, 2012 by Prophonics 2029
Roburt Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 Frankie Karl played Hud in the LA stage version of 'Hair'. Next the cast moved to Vegas and in 1971 they played what's now the Hilton Hotel. After that, the cast went on the road & played quite a few US cities .....
Roburt Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 Frankie's mid to late 60's publicity shot .....
Guest martyn Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 searling played frankie karl first late 79 covered as the showmen 7th avenue aviators ws played a year or so later Would say thats how I remember it too
bri pinch Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) The Flip...used to have a red Philtown copy many moons ago, another one that got away i guess Edited October 29, 2012 by bri pinch
Trev Thomas Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 The Flip...used to have a red Philtown copy many moons ago, another one that got away i guess me too bri 1
Sunnysoul Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) At least three variations of the Congress white demo ... any others? And ... anyone have a picture of the Congress stock copy ... if it exists that is ... ? Edited May 22, 2017 by sunnysoul 1
Dave Pinch Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 On 2012-10-29 at 09:06, bri pinch said: The Flip...used to have a red Philtown copy many moons ago, another one that got away i guess Just like the philtown w/d and the 3 congress w/d eh bro 😄 1
John Parker Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 Got a red Philtown Frankie Karl from Soul Bowl many years ago Rarest by a long way
Sunnysoul Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 Anyone got a picture of a red Congress stock copy ?
Stubbsy Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 I had a Philtown w/d. Bloody great record - in my all time top 5. Still makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. Even the missus likes it!
Goldsoul Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 On 28/10/2012 at 12:11, Roburt said: Frankie Karl was originally from LA where he sang in gospel choirs with the likes of Gloria Jones & Billy Preston. He joined the US airforce & it was in that period that he helped form the Chevrons. I believe that the F.K. & Chevrons tracks were cut in Philly under the direction of Dave Chackler who went on to be a big promotions guy for Mercury / Smash Records (he was credited with breaking Jay & the Techniques "Apple, Peaches, Pumpkin Pie"). After he left the airforce, Frankie returned to LA and there hooked up with (U)gene Dozier. Gene cut him in LA on a song titled "Don't Be Afraid" but then Gene relocated to DC. He released the track on a DC 45 & it hit big -- the 45 being picked up for national distribution by Bell. Gene had failed to sign Frankie to a contract & so with a hit on his hands, he signed with the label that offered him the most money (Liberty) and never had another hit !!. Frankie was also in the group The Tripps on Victoria. I interviewed him 10 years ago while he was working for DHL. Sadly no longer with us.
Dobber Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 8 hours ago, sunnysoul said: Anyone got a picture of a red Congress stock copy ? dont think it saw an issue on congress,although it would be nice to see one, along with a sam williams issue!
Guest Soulskate70 Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 On 29 October 2012 at 09:06, bri pinch said: The Flip...used to have a red Philtown copy many moons ago, another one that got away i guess Am I the only one on this site that knew the flip before the "Northern" side? It was well liked by a lot of Soul-Harmony/Group fans. I remember a relative hearing You Should O Held on and asking if it was the Dirty Dancing soundtrack....!!!
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