Guest ShaneH Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I think you should be able to use any membership to a soul club at any soul club, bit like old working mens clubs memberships Whats happened to memberships anyway, can remember at one time particularly the 80's when you couldn't get into most venues without one? I can't remember the last time I used a membership card please dont chalky would we need an elected comittee to keep the riff raff out. soul or nothing always gets a few friendly 'passer by's' and it would be a shame to shut the door on them. steve cato is one of very few (maybe the only one?) who actively tries to get young/new people onto this scene. he succeeds with a few too. thats why for me SON is a great soul event and has a great atmosphere. i love to see the faces of new people being amazed by the dancing etc. i know for sure that steve would not enforce such an idea at his club. ok we do get the odd knobhead but its far from excessive. i still havent seen a fight at a soul do and i am out every week. this thread is running parallel with a thread regarding dwindling numbers for gods sake! Shane Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Little-stevie Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I have a memebership policy but its not to stop others getting in..I use the memebers only words to stop certain people at the door,those who look too pissed or real lunatics...It did not stop all the North East boys on Sat from getting in though..... .. ..Its good to have a mix of people with many from the scene,freinds and a few locals........ All welcome as long as they stick to some rules with regards to beer on the dancefloor,bags or pissed up dancing and bumping into people etc...An event with mostly locals/non soulies aint a soul night really,its a nite club/disco for the pissed up/bumping/bags/spilt beer brigade....We all have a different idea whats ok and whats not ok...Let each promoter do as they want,some will carry on as soul nights and others will fail... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest rachel Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 please dont chalky would we need an elected comittee to keep the riff raff out. soul or nothing always gets a few friendly 'passer by's' and it would be a shame to shut the door on them. steve cato is one of very few (maybe the only one?) who actively tries to get young/new people onto this scene. he succeeds with a few too. thats why for me SON is a great soul event and has a great atmosphere. i love to see the faces of new people being amazed by the dancing etc. i know for sure that steve would not enforce such an idea at his club. ok we do get the odd knobhead but its far from excessive. i still havent seen a fight at a soul do and i am out every week. I've seen a few (5 or 6 maybe), scuffles really, never seen one been allowed to get into full-on fighting.. and they've been equally spread between 'regulars' and 'outsiders'. I dunno about memberships, think there's a lot to be said for good door staff/promoters who show judgement in who they let in and deal with any problems quickly. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) please dont chalky would we need an elected comittee to keep the riff raff out. soul or nothing always gets a few friendly 'passer by's' and it would be a shame to shut the door on them. steve cato is one of very few (maybe the only one?) who actively tries to get young/new people onto this scene. he succeeds with a few too. thats why for me SON is a great soul event and has a great atmosphere. i love to see the faces of new people being amazed by the dancing etc. i know for sure that steve would not enforce such an idea at his club. ok we do get the odd knobhead but its far from excessive. i still havent seen a fight at a soul do and i am out every week. this thread is running parallel with a thread regarding dwindling numbers for gods sake! Shane f*ck me, god help committee if you were on it if someone wishes to enter then someone should vouch for them? if someone bringing a non member then they should sign them in? if a casual then they should sign in? maybe take out a membership that night? if they like it they will return You ought to open you eyes a bit more if you think there is only the odd piss head causing grief! And as for Steve Cato being the only one actively trying to get new people onto the scene you do talk out of your arse at times. Does everyone else actively try to keep them away? Edited January 18, 2006 by chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Little-stevie Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Good point Chalky...I think Shane means that i go out of my way to welcome younger folk(as do others),introduce them to others on the scene,take details and pass on cds/tapes..Bring them along to all niters and tell them what the scene is about...A person did that to me when i was 16 and it made me want to really get into the scene...I know that Dave does the same thing at nights in Lincoln etc and others too..Some folk would have seen me as not sussed and not on the scene,if they had not come up to me and chatted then i could have gone away and not come back... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jonbuck Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 And as for Steve Cato being the only one actively trying to get new people onto the scene you do talk out of your arse at times. Does everyone else actively try to keep them away? Yes good point James Trouble does pretty well @ getting new blood on the scene, & as for Local Piss Heads @ Allnighters & Soul Nights....Do what we do @ RSG & Pete Kelross & Dereck Mead does @ Bisley.... Get a Venue Miles from any where, then you only get the people in that really want to be there....admittedly avoiding Town Centres has it draw backs, but @ least you get the right people in.... Jon Buck Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Good point Chalky...I think Shane means that i go out of my way to welcome younger folk(as do others),introduce them to others on the scene,take details and pass on cds/tapes..Bring them along to all niters and tell them what the scene is about...A person did that to me when i was 16 and it made me want to really get into the scene...I know that Dave does the same thing at nights in Lincoln etc and others too..Some folk would have seen me as not sussed and not on the scene,if they had not come up to me and chatted then i could have gone away and not come back... yourself and many others does a good job IMO promoting. No one actively IMO dissuades newcomers not to enter a venue. We were all young once upon a time, coming onto an underground scene which can be pretty nerve wracking for some I would imagine so it was and stil is god to see friendly faces, people who welcome you and encourage you to have agood night rather than want to stick a glass in your face :angry: We also had to have a membership!! not just for the odd venue but for every venue practically Didn't drive us away did it or stop others coming onto the scene Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) f*ck me, god help committee if you were on it if someone wishes to enter then someone should vouch for them? if someone bringing a non member then they should sign them in? if a casual then they should sign in? maybe take out a membership that night? if they like it they will return You ought to open you eyes a bit more if you think there is only the odd piss head causing grief! And as for Steve Cato being the only one actively trying to get new people onto the scene you do talk out of your arse at times. Does everyone else actively try to keep them away? i grew up in working mens clubs and like my dad i hate 'the committee' am i really missing all the undesirables? it must be that red bull. i walk around all night smiling at people not knowing they are wanting to kill me on a serious note i didnt say he was the only one did i chalkster? he does make a lot of effort with the younger crowd. not many 'cross-promote' (not on about trannies here ). steve promotes his events on the mod forums where there are quite a few younger soul fans who cant stand the intimidation of the older soul crowd. i am writing with confidence here as i am in touch with these people too. i hate the idea of membership cards. they punish people before they have the chance to do something wrong. deal with it as and when is my opinion. there is plenty of muscle on the soul scene to deal with the odd piss head. why ban him before he even gets a chance to be innocent? end of rant Shane Edited January 18, 2006 by ShaneH Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 i grew up in working mens clubs and like my dad i hate 'the committee' am i really missing all the undesirables? it must be that red bull. i woke around all night smiling at people not knowing they are wanting to kill me on a serious note i didnt say he was the only one did i chalkster? he does make a lot of effort with the younger crowd. not many 'cross-promote' (not on about trannies here ). steve promotes his events on the mod forums where there are quite a few younger soul fans who cant stand the intimidation of the older soul crowd. i am writing with confidence here as i am in touch with these people too. i hate the idea of membership cards. they punish people before they have the chance to do something wrong. deal with it as and when is my opinion. there is plenty of muscle on the soul scene to deal with the odd piss head. why ban him before he even gets a chance to be innocent? end of rant Shane You said steve cato is one of very few (maybe the only one?) Older soul fans intimidating? why are they? again I think your talking out of your arse as there are plenty of Mods who go to soul venues. Most aren't the kind to be intimidated either. Most the time I read your posts they almost all pretty political with regards to the scene and seem to give the older soulies bad press IMO. You sem to forget without that older generation there would more than likely be no soul scene for you to enjoy and if most of themj weren't still on the scenme there wouldn't be a scene now. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 i hate the idea of membership cards. they punish people before they have the chance to do something wrong. deal with it as and when is my opinion. there is plenty of muscle on the soul scene to deal with the odd piss head. why ban him before he even gets a chance to be innocent? forgive me for being a bit daft but how the f*** does a membership card punish someone, I never felt like I'd done something wrong when I had to send for one also half the trouble goes un noticed in a large venue and you only hear about it afterwards. Even if a bouncer steps in to stop trouble it's still happened and probably upset someone and spoiled their night. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Little-stevie Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 yourself and many others does a good job IMO promoting. No one actively IMO dissuades newcomers not to enter a venue. We were all young once upon a time, coming onto an underground scene which can be pretty nerve wracking for some I would imagine so it was and stil is god to see friendly faces, people who welcome you and encourage you to have agood night rather than want to stick a glass in your face :angry: We also had to have a membership!! not just for the odd venue but for every venue practically Didn't drive us away did it or stop others coming onto the scene All good points and good topic...We say membership card but regulars are ok too...Its good to have the membership bit in place just in case..I have asked some people for details(email,mobile)on the door,i tell them it gets them free membership and monthly details about whats on,anyone who is up to no good will walk away at that point,they don't want people knowing who they are....This can keep out the unwanted...Lets hope all promoters can learn things from each other on this topic,i like to listen and learn,we all have things to give to each other..At the end of the day we all want the same thing,a great soul night with a good freindly crowd..Would be good to see all the points put together in a list,that would help us all..Could this be done,does it make sense...We all see things at some nights that others don't..A good club is a club where the soulies too are looking out for piss heads,thiefs and all the rest..A promoter can't be all places at once...Like i said,good topic.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 forgive me for being a bit daft but how the f*** does a membership card punish someone, I never felt like I'd done something wrong when I had to send for one must admit shane this was puzzling me. i used to love having my wallet full of memberships made you feel part of something bit weird i spose Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 You said Older soul fans intimidating? why are they? again I think your talking out of your arse as there are plenty of Mods who go to soul venues. Most aren't the kind to be intimidated either. Most the time I read your posts they almost all pretty political with regards to the scene and seem to give the older soulies bad press IMO. You sem to forget without that older generation there would more than likely be no soul scene for you to enjoy and if most of themj weren't still on the scenme there wouldn't be a scene now. glad you spotted 'one of very few'. i knew i didnt say the 'only one' i wasnt giving my opinion regarding 'older soulies' i was referring to what younger people have said to me in recent times. if i had a problem with older people what the fcuk am i doing on the soul scene then? this thread raised views which imo threaten the chance of younger people getting involved. perhaps the lonegivity of the scene is more important to me. i am bound to be more political surely? interesting stuff Shane Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest rachel Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Do think what they did at the Brighton alldayers was a good idea.. used to be free entry for anyone all day/night, but they had some trouble with what I suppose would be "local p*ssheads" so ended up charging after a certain time for anyone without a membership card - from what I heard it helped the problem Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 must admit shane this was puzzling me. i used to love having my wallet full of memberships made you feel part of something bit weird i spose hi dan i have been turned away from snooker clubs for example. it annoys you when you know full well that you would behave and abide the rules the same as any member. however, the club wont risk the chance of this unknown in their prestigous club. any clearer? Shane Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 must admit shane this was puzzling me. i used to love having my wallet full of memberships made you feel part of something bit weird i spose Me too, still have some somewhere Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 glad you spotted 'one of very few'. i knew i didnt say the 'only one' i wasnt giving my opinion regarding 'older soulies' i was referring to what younger people have said to me in recent times. if i had a problem with older people what the fcuk am i doing on the soul scene then? this thread raised views which imo threaten the chance of younger people getting involved. perhaps the lonegivity of the scene is more important to me. i am bound to be more political surely? interesting stuff Shane you also said maybe the only one? Just what have younger uns being saying cause to me your just trouble causing, rumour mongering and causing ill will between soulies...IMHO I haven't seen any evidence of anyone threatening the chance of younger people geting into the scene, any where As for you and what the f*** you're doing on the scene I don't know cause you've had f*** all good to say about it lately Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 must admit shane this was puzzling me. i used to love having my wallet full of memberships made you feel part of something bit weird i spose No not weird at all I have over 30 membership cards and would be happy to show one to get into a venue if it meant drunks out of the pub couldnt get in and ruin the night for me Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 hi dan i have been turned away from snooker clubs for example. it annoys you when you know full well that you would behave and abide the rules the same as any member. however, the club wont risk the chance of this unknown in their prestigous club. any clearer? Shane yes, i know what you mean shane but thing is i just never felt a soul membership was about excluding me, it was about including me if that makes sense? obviously you used to forget them from time to time but you could always talk your way in by answering a few simple questions like what label is frank wilson on, or who is harboro horace, or what's shaun gibbons' favourite flavour of ice cream (raspberry ripple) . whereas your mug punter wouldn't be able to answer. snooker club is different because although YOU know you'll behave, they don't...you could be a total psycho... As for you and what the f*** you're doing on the scene I don't know cause you've had f*** all good to say about it lately bit harsh chalky unless joking? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) bit harsh chalky unless joking? tongue in cheek Dan Shane knows me better than that...I think Edited January 18, 2006 by chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Winnie :-) Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 i grew up in working mens clubs and like my dad i hate 'the committee' am i really missing all the undesirables? it must be that red bull. i walk around all night smiling at people not knowing they are wanting to kill me on a serious note i didnt say he was the only one did i chalkster? he does make a lot of effort with the younger crowd. not many 'cross-promote' (not on about trannies here ). steve promotes his events on the mod forums where there are quite a few younger soul fans who cant stand the intimidation of the older soul crowd. i am writing with confidence here as i am in touch with these people too. i hate the idea of membership cards. they punish people before they have the chance to do something wrong. deal with it as and when is my opinion. there is plenty of muscle on the soul scene to deal with the odd piss head. why ban him before he even gets a chance to be innocent? end of rant Shane ============ So we can lose the elitist element completely then? So no more original vinyl, because that can also seem intimidating to those that might not want to collect. I've seen posts on here saying CDs should not be played at venues, posts that laugh at the way people dress etc, isn't that a form of elitism? The point you're not answering is why is it ok for certain elements to be included as a right of passage, and not others. Membership cards aren't there to keep 'normal' people out, they're to make sure we're all of basically the same mind. If you look at this forum for instance the thing that binds us all together is the music, and I think that's the way it should be at an event. I really can't see how membership cards would affect that. Winnie:-) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Reg Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) I can also remember the days when a membership card was a requirement to get into a nighter..and not just any membership card, it had to be the specific one..ie 3 voices for Warrington...soultown for Blackburn etc.. BUT..it was a pain..I forgot one once and thy wouldn't let me in..16 years old in the middle of Warrington town centre with no way of getting home and they say I can't get in. Anyway. luckily, Martin Mellors came along, knew me and got the promoters to come out and okay me going in...very lucky for me or I would have been stranded. The moral of this story...I think that we should use membership cards with discretion...no way was I a threat back in 1985....female.. 7 stone nothing and 16 years old..but I had to rely on good luck that somebody I sort of knew was in the queue behind me. IMO as somebody who works a door, you should only pull the members only card if you really don't want the person to come in because they're clearly trouble causers or totally inebriated. And to be honest if somebody was totally unsuitable they wouldn't get past the bouncers at Soul or Nothing..before they even got to the door. Edited January 18, 2006 by Reg Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 you also said maybe the only one? Just what have younger uns being saying cause to me your just trouble causing, rumour mongering and causing ill will between soulies...IMHO I haven't seen any evidence of anyone threatening the chance of younger people geting into the scene, any where As for you and what the f*** you're doing on the scene I don't know cause you've had f*** all good to say about it lately maybe firstly, how did you know i agreed that older soul fans are intimidating? i never said they were. i havent knocked anyone in particular either. i disagreed with membership cards. what else have i said anyway? Shane Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 tongue in cheek Dan ah apologies should mind me own business Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 tongue in cheek Dan Shane knows me better than that...I think chalky is as gentle as his avatar choice. however that little bird did have a sinister streak i still love ya (you old bugger ) Shane Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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