Peter99 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Just listening to some old 60's stuff which I happen to like - prompted by something or another. So, probably been done to death, and may be a stupid question - which is ok, but what's the story behind the two versions of I Love Her So Much It Hurts? First, second, rarity? I think people have shot me down previously for saying that I like the Majestics - I like em both, but the Majestics just pinches it. Any thoughts, comments or views? Cheers Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
The Tempest Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) Majestics Edited October 14, 2012 by 123-motown 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 Majestics Nice scans mate - thanks. I do like those Linda labels. Got to be the Majestics. Peter 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete Eccles Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Aren't they the same track? With the David and Ruben being released a couple of years later without the 'Majestics' intro? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 what about david and ruben on rampart? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Markw Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 This was done before I think. If I recall one of the US collectors on here advised that David & Ruben was issued by Warners which has acquired the Linda catalogue to cash in on the Motown/soul sound but, whilst the record was thought to have potential, theiconic intro was cut off because it sounded 'dated' and harked back to the doo-wop era. I can't recall why they changed the name - probably a similar reason, to disassociate the record from a bygone age and because male soul duos were fashionable by then, like Sam & Dave? That's probably a complete load of old horse poo, dreamt up by me. The Rampart issue must be the rarest format by the way? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Aren't they the same track? With the David and Ruben being released a couple of years later without the 'Majestics' intro? the david and ruben on rampart HAS the intro Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 The Rampart issue must be the rarest format by the way? i have the rampart issue atb moldie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete Eccles Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 the david and ruben on rampart HAS the intro I stand corrected then, but aren't they the same track just under different artists names? Which would make the Majestics the original would it not? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I stand corrected then, but aren't they the same track just under different artists names? Which would make the Majestics the original would it not? hi pete...i posted this on you tube and got a reply from somebody claing to be a relation of david or ruben...they said both were in the band...im sure this topic has been done before and if i remember rightly the majestics was issued first atb moldie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete Eccles Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 hi pete...i posted this on you tube and got a reply from somebody claing to be a relation of david or ruben...they said both were in the band...im sure this topic has been done before and if i remember rightly the majestics was issued first atb moldie Moldie, I am only referring to a previous topic on here myself, and from memory it's the same recording, not just band members, it's a re-release with a change of label and artists name, then again knowing my memory I could be making all this up lol Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Moldie, I am only referring to a previous topic on here myself, and from memory it's the same recording, not just band members, it's a re-release with a change of label and artists name, then again knowing my memory I could be making all this up lol hi pete ive been trying to locate the previous thread myself lololol......my memory isnt great either lololololol Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 Thanks for the replies. To me the vocals sound a bit different too - but that's no guarantee of anything. I'm tone deaf! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 i have the rampart issue atb moldie Moldie, Stick a scan up. I can't recall seeing an issue, is it Orange? Regards, Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Agentsmith Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 i have a rampart demo, never seen an issue but wouldn't rule it out, orange or blue...most definitely the rampart release is the rarest of all formats and, of course, so much better with the intro as for who they are, its obvious they're one and the same...at least same vocals you hear. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Barry Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Majestics all day for me. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Agentsmith Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 are we saying here, that we like the majestics because the band name rolls off the tongue easier and because the label is far more attractive in both its yellow and pink formats?,...because as far as the recording itself is concerned, there is no differential between these and the rampart release, with the exception of the warners release, which of course, is shortened...they're all highly collectable anyway!! 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) Majestics all day for me. All three are same apart from the intro on Warner.as far as I know just pipped me to, the post Agentsmith lol Bazza Edited October 15, 2012 by Bazza Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 are we saying here, that we like the majestics because the band name rolls off the tongue easier and because the label is far more attractive in both its yellow and pink formats? Isn't the Rampart copy is a reissue? Regards, Dave . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 the Rampart issue is light blue Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Daved Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Majestics for the intro. I used to hate this record but have grown to love it now. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 are we saying here, that we like the majestics because the band name rolls off the tongue easier and because the label is far more attractive in both its yellow and pink formats?,...because as far as the recording itself is concerned, there is no differential between these and the rampart release, with the exception of the warners release, which of course, is shortened...they're all highly collectable anyway!! No. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Barry Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Majestics for the intro. I used to hate this record but have grown to love it now. A run to the floor track when I was a kid. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
TOAD Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 and it only cost me a fiver as the dealer said 'make me an offer' Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 the Rampart issue is light blue As Ted says...plus add thin-lined concentric white circles around the label as well. Rampart is indeed a re-issue of the Linda release...with the Warners coming in third. Loved it for so many years...never tire of it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) The LINDA release is from 1965. The RAMPART and WARNER BROS releases are from 1969. The 45 on Rampart was released in conjunction with the LP "Golden Treasures Volume Two: West Coast East Side Revue" which was issued on Rampart in 1969. It includes past hits from the LINDA / FARO / GORDO / RAMPART / WHITTIER group of labels. Edited October 15, 2012 by Sebastian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 are we saying here, that we like the majestics because the band name rolls off the tongue easier and because the label is far more attractive in both its yellow and pink formats?,...because as far as the recording itself is concerned, there is no differential between these and the rampart release, with the exception of the warners release, which of course, is shortened...they're all highly collectable anyway!! But they are all 2:25 long.....never heard the Warner version but if its minus the intro they must have added something else for it to be the same length of track. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Moldie, Stick a scan up. I can't recall seeing an issue, is it Orange? Regards, Dave There ya go Dave. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 There ya go Dave. Cheers Steve, I do remember it now. Regards, Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Moldie, Stick a scan up. I can't recall seeing an issue, is it Orange? Regards, Dave hi dave its actually blue ill post scan tonight atb moldie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 There ya go Dave. cheers steve atb moldie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 hi dave its actually blue ill post scan tonight atb moldie There's one been posted Mate in a post above. Regards, Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Agentsmith Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Isn't the Rampart copy is a reissue? Regards, Dave . well, there you go dave, you live and learn!...i wouldn't have thought that but the soulsource school of wizards strikes again!! ....and wow!, to set eyes on an issue as well...suppose it had to exist based on the fact its a well known label and so is the record. whilst it may be a reissue, i think its rarer than the linda release, basically because you see more copies of the 65 release come up at auction, whereas the rampart release just dosnt. its plain the warner bros issue was edited.....how can someone possibly think that the intro was "dated"?, it sets you up for the dancefloor, you know just what is coming!. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete Eccles Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 well, there you go dave, you live and learn!...i wouldn't have thought that but the soulsource school of wizards strikes again!! ....and wow!, to set eyes on an issue as well...suppose it had to exist based on the fact its a well known label and so is the record. whilst it may be a reissue, i think its rarer than the linda release, basically because you see more copies of the 65 release come up at auction, whereas the rampart release just dosnt. its plain the warner bros issue was edited.....how can someone possibly think that the intro was "dated"?, it sets you up for the dancefloor, you know just what is coming!. Rob, the Rampart issue/demo being rarer doesn't make it any less of a re-issue, or does it? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Agentsmith Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Rob, the Rampart issue/demo being rarer doesn't make it any less of a re-issue, or does it? like i said pete, never even knew it was a reissue, but til i got my copy, i didnt even realise it was on rampart, having only ever seen linda copies, therefore i presume its harder to find....you would have thought there would be MORE copies because its a well known label and being a reissue but it dosnt necessarily follow suit especially if it STILL sold zilch and whatever originally existed, got trashed. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete Eccles Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 like i said pete, never even knew it was a reissue, but til i got my copy, i didnt even realise it was on rampart, having only ever seen linda copies, therefore i presume its harder to find....you would have thought there would be MORE copies because its a well known label and being a reissue but it dosnt necessarily follow suit especially if it STILL sold zilch and whatever originally existed, got trashed. So now you know it's a re-issue Rob will you be throwing it away? You don't play re-issues surely? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Agentsmith Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 So now you know it's a re-issue Rob will you be throwing it away? You don't play re-issues surely? aye up you barsssssssstard!, you kept your name off the page to wind me up....didnt you? and NO........im not selling it you! :P Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete Eccles Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 aye up you barsssssssstard!, you kept your name off the page to wind me up....didnt you? and NO........im not selling it you! :P Robert I have an original demo, why on earth would I want to buy your poxy re-issue? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest turntableterra Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 if memory serves, the majestics and one of the david and rubin`s, the one on warner bros i believe)are one and the same, exactly. they are EXACTLY the same press down to the same delta number IN THE SAME POSITION. with the only difference being the warner label and listed as a duet in listings i have seen. the rampart appears to be another version however its a long time since i heard it to comment, but its crap imo. That said i would love to own the blue issue, 1000 seems a fair go Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 if memory serves, the majestics and one of the david and rubin`s, the one on warner bros i believe)are one and the same, exactly. they are EXACTLY the same press ... apart from the fact that the Rampart and Warner Bros 45s were pressed FOUR YEARS after the original on Linda. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 ... apart from the fact that the Rampart and Warner Bros 45s were pressed FOUR YEARS after the original on Linda. the rampart copy has a delta stamp from september 1965...probably they used the same plate as the linda 45.... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Trev Thomas Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 rampart and linda are from the same stampers sharing the same delta numbers, obviously the warner bros press is from a different set of stampers 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Baldsoulie Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Thought I had read somewhere that the WB release was a new recording by the same artists (without intro to distinguish it) making both the Linda and WB originals? Sold a pup perhaps. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 if memory serves, the majestics and one of the david and rubin`s, the one on warner bros i believe)are one and the same, exactly. they are EXACTLY the same press down to the same delta number IN THE SAME POSITION. with the only difference being the warner label and listed as a duet in listings i have seen. the rampart appears to be another version however its a long time since i heard it to comment, but its crap imo. That said i would love to own the blue issue, 1000 seems a fair go linda and rampart are exactly the same take..the warner bros 45 has the horn intro missed off but after that its the same Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 is it me or does there seem to be an awful lot of linda copies kickin around at the moment.. everytime time i look on usa ebay there one for sale... always fetch a lot of money tho 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
NUFCSOUL Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 To answer the Q - Majestics for me ! Got the white demo David/Ruben many years ago then realised the Linda had an intro so... had that years as well. Still a DJ fill the floor certainty when it's a classics situation. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Baldsoulie Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Just to confirm that I had read something along the lines that the Linda/Rampart versions are different to the WB version, not to say this is a 'truth' or these facts are correct but to justify my purchase of the WB version not as a rerelease!. JM selling a WB stock copy stated; Published on 24 Jul 2014 RARE STOCK copy, so rarely seen for sale. Eddie Davis reworks The Majestics - Linda recording to great effect, lush strings, hand-claps, finger-popping & some intricate violin plucking…not forgetting those soaring horns blaring down as if from on high. Fabulous production and different enough to the one 4 years earlier that is considered a Northern Soul classic.. ............. And on that well know blog, wwwyoufoundtheeastsidesoundcom.BlogSpot states There were three Majestics groups!, and also stating that Eddie Davis took the Majestics master to Warner Bros and used the Ralph Ventura Mariachi Group (group that backed Linda Ronstadt) and put in horns and violins. WB released the record in 1969 WB7316 Can anyone verify/confirm or is this incorrect info. Dose not really matter just love the record. Edited January 8, 2015 by Baldsoulie 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 There ya go Dave. Wow, not seen a stock copy of this - so is the rarest format? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Just to confirm that I had read something along the lines that the Linda/Rampart versions are different to the WB version, not to say this is a 'truth' or these facts are correct but to justify my purchase of the WB version not as a rerelease!. JM selling a WB stock copy stated; Published on 24 Jul 2014 RARE STOCK copy, so rarely seen for sale. Eddie Davis reworks The Majestics - Linda recording to great effect, lush strings, hand-claps, finger-popping & some intricate violin plucking…not forgetting those soaring horns blaring down as if from on high. Fabulous production and different enough to the one 4 years earlier that is considered a Northern Soul classic.. ............. And on that well know blog, wwwyoufoundtheeastsidesoundcom.BlogSpot states There were three Majestics groups!, and also stating that Eddie Davis took the Majestics master to Warner Bros and used the Ralph Ventura Mariachi Group (group that backed Linda Ronstadt) and put in horns and violins. WB released the record in 1969 WB7316 Can anyone verify/confirm or is this incorrect info. Dose not really matter just love the record. see post 44 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Wow, not seen a stock copy of this - so is the rarest format? i`d say so 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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