Majestics Or David And Ruben

[Peter99]

Just listening to some old 60's stuff which I happen to like - prompted by something or another.

So, probably been done to death, and may be a stupid question - which is ok, but what's the story behind the two versions of I Love Her So Much It Hurts?

First, second, rarity?

I think people have shot me down previously for saying that I like the Majestics - I like em both, but the Majestics just pinches it.

Any thoughts, comments or views?

Cheers

Peter

[The Tempest]

Majestics

Edited October 14, 2012 by 123-motown

[Peter99]

Majestics

Nice scans mate - thanks. I do like those Linda labels.

Got to be the Majestics.

Peter

[Pete Eccles]

Aren't they the same track? With the David and Ruben being released a couple of years later without the 'Majestics' intro?

[Guest]

what about david and ruben on rampart?

[Markw]

This was done before I think. If I recall one of the US collectors on here advised that David & Ruben was issued by Warners which has acquired the Linda catalogue to cash in on the Motown/soul sound but, whilst the record was thought to have potential, theiconic intro was cut off because it sounded 'dated' and harked back to the doo-wop era. I can't recall why they changed the name - probably a similar reason, to disassociate the record from a bygone age and because male soul duos were fashionable by then, like Sam & Dave?

That's probably a complete load of old horse poo, dreamt up by me.

The Rampart issue must be the rarest format by the way?

[Guest]

Aren't they the same track? With the David and Ruben being released a couple of years later without the 'Majestics' intro?

the david and ruben on rampart HAS the intro

[Guest]

The Rampart issue must be the rarest format by the way?

i have the rampart issue

atb moldie

[Pete Eccles]

the david and ruben on rampart HAS the intro

I stand corrected then, but aren't they the same track just under different artists names? Which would make the Majestics the original would it not?

[Guest]

I stand corrected then, but aren't they the same track just under different artists names? Which would make the Majestics the original would it not?

hi pete...i posted this on you tube and got a reply from somebody claing to be a relation of david or ruben...they said both were in the band...im sure this topic has been done before and if i remember rightly the majestics was issued first

atb moldie

[Pete Eccles]

hi pete...i posted this on you tube and got a reply from somebody claing to be a relation of david or ruben...they said both were in the band...im sure this topic has been done before and if i remember rightly the majestics was issued first

atb moldie

Moldie, I am only referring to a previous topic on here myself, and from memory it's the same recording, not just band members, it's a re-release with a change of label and artists name, then again knowing my memory I could be making all this up lol

[Guest]

Moldie, I am only referring to a previous topic on here myself, and from memory it's the same recording, not just band members, it's a re-release with a change of label and artists name, then again knowing my memory I could be making all this up lol

hi pete

ive been trying to locate the previous thread myself lololol......my memory isnt great either lololololol

[Peter99]

Thanks for the replies. To me the vocals sound a bit different too - but that's no guarantee of anything. I'm tone deaf!

[Dave Moore]

i have the rampart issue

atb moldie

Moldie,

Stick a scan up. I can't recall seeing an issue, is it Orange?

Regards,

Dave

[Agentsmith]

i have a rampart demo, never seen an issue but wouldn't rule it out, orange or blue...most definitely the rampart release is the rarest of all formats and, of course, so much better with the intro as for who they are, its obvious they're one and the same...at least same vocals you hear.

[Barry]

Majestics all day for me.

[Agentsmith]

are we saying here, that we like the majestics because the band name rolls off the tongue easier and because the label is far more attractive in both its yellow and pink formats?,...because as far as the recording itself is concerned, there is no differential between these and the rampart release, with the exception of the warners release, which of course, is shortened...they're all highly collectable anyway!!

[Bazza]

Majestics all day for me.

All three are same apart from the intro on Warner.as far as I know

just pipped me to, the post Agentsmith lol

Bazza

Edited October 15, 2012 by Bazza

[Dave Moore]

are we saying here, that we like the majestics because the band name rolls off the tongue easier and because the label is far more attractive in both its yellow and pink formats?

Isn't the Rampart copy is a reissue?

Regards,

Dave

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[Ted Massey]

the Rampart issue is light blue

[Daved]

Majestics for the intro.

I used to hate this record but have grown to love it now.

[Peter99]

are we saying here, that we like the majestics because the band name rolls off the tongue easier and because the label is far more attractive in both its yellow and pink formats?,...because as far as the recording itself is concerned, there is no differential between these and the rampart release, with the exception of the warners release, which of course, is shortened...they're all highly collectable anyway!!

No.

[Barry]

Majestics for the intro.

I used to hate this record but have grown to love it now.

A run to the floor track when I was a kid.

[TOAD]

and it only cost me a fiver as the dealer said 'make me an offer'

[Guest]

the Rampart issue is light blue

As Ted says...plus add thin-lined concentric white circles around the label as well.

Rampart is indeed a re-issue of the Linda release...with the Warners coming in third.

Loved it for so many years...never tire of it.

[Sebastian]

The LINDA release is from 1965.

The RAMPART and WARNER BROS releases are from 1969.

The 45 on Rampart was released in conjunction with the LP "Golden Treasures Volume Two: West Coast East Side Revue" which was issued on Rampart in 1969. It includes past hits from the LINDA / FARO / GORDO / RAMPART / WHITTIER group of labels.

Edited October 15, 2012 by Sebastian

[Guest]

are we saying here, that we like the majestics because the band name rolls off the tongue easier and because the label is far more attractive in both its yellow and pink formats?,...because as far as the recording itself is concerned, there is no differential between these and the rampart release, with the exception of the warners release, which of course, is shortened...they're all highly collectable anyway!!

But they are all 2:25 long.....never heard the Warner version but if its minus the intro they must have added something else for it to be the same length of track.

[Guest]

Moldie,

Stick a scan up. I can't recall seeing an issue, is it Orange?

Regards,

Dave

There ya go Dave.

[Dave Moore]

There ya go Dave.

Cheers Steve,

I do remember it now.

Regards,

Dave

[Guest]

Moldie,

Stick a scan up. I can't recall seeing an issue, is it Orange?

Regards,

Dave

hi dave

its actually blue

ill post scan tonight

atb moldie

[Guest]

There ya go Dave.

cheers steve

atb moldie

[Dave Moore]

hi dave

its actually blue

ill post scan tonight

atb moldie

There's one been posted Mate in a post above.

Regards,

Dave

[Agentsmith]

Isn't the Rampart copy is a reissue?

Regards,

Dave

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well, there you go dave, you live and learn!...i wouldn't have thought that but the soulsource school of wizards strikes again!! ....and wow!, to set eyes on an issue as well...suppose it had to exist based on the fact its a well known label and so is the record. whilst it may be a reissue, i think its rarer than the linda release, basically because you see more copies of the 65 release come up at auction, whereas the rampart release just dosnt. its plain the warner bros issue was edited.....how can someone possibly think that the intro was "dated"?, it sets you up for the dancefloor, you know just what is coming!.

[Pete Eccles]

well, there you go dave, you live and learn!...i wouldn't have thought that but the soulsource school of wizards strikes again!! ....and wow!, to set eyes on an issue as well...suppose it had to exist based on the fact its a well known label and so is the record. whilst it may be a reissue, i think its rarer than the linda release, basically because you see more copies of the 65 release come up at auction, whereas the rampart release just dosnt. its plain the warner bros issue was edited.....how can someone possibly think that the intro was "dated"?, it sets you up for the dancefloor, you know just what is coming!.

Rob, the Rampart issue/demo being rarer doesn't make it any less of a re-issue, or does it?

[Agentsmith]

Rob, the Rampart issue/demo being rarer doesn't make it any less of a re-issue, or does it?

like i said pete, never even knew it was a reissue, but til i got my copy, i didnt even realise it was on rampart, having only ever seen linda copies, therefore i presume its harder to find....you would have thought there would be MORE copies because its a well known label and being a reissue but it dosnt necessarily follow suit especially if it STILL sold zilch and whatever originally existed, got trashed.

[Pete Eccles]

like i said pete, never even knew it was a reissue, but til i got my copy, i didnt even realise it was on rampart, having only ever seen linda copies, therefore i presume its harder to find....you would have thought there would be MORE copies because its a well known label and being a reissue but it dosnt necessarily follow suit especially if it STILL sold zilch and whatever originally existed, got trashed.

So now you know it's a re-issue Rob will you be throwing it away? You don't play re-issues surely?

[Agentsmith]

So now you know it's a re-issue Rob will you be throwing it away? You don't play re-issues surely?

aye up you barsssssssstard!, you kept your name off the page to wind me up....didnt you? and NO........im not selling it you! :P

[Pete Eccles]

aye up you barsssssssstard!, you kept your name off the page to wind me up....didnt you? and NO........im not selling it you! :P

Robert I have an original demo, why on earth would I want to buy your poxy re-issue?

[Guest turntableterra]

if memory serves, the majestics and one of the david and rubin`s, the one on warner bros i believe)are one and the same, exactly. they are EXACTLY the same press down to the same delta number IN THE SAME POSITION. with the only difference being the warner label and listed as a duet in listings i have seen. the rampart appears to be another version however its a long time since i heard it to comment, but its crap imo. That said i would love to own the blue issue, 1000 seems a fair go

[Sebastian]

if memory serves, the majestics and one of the david and rubin`s, the one on warner bros i believe)are one and the same, exactly. they are EXACTLY the same press

... apart from the fact that the Rampart and Warner Bros 45s were pressed FOUR YEARS after the original on Linda.

[Dave Pinch]

... apart from the fact that the Rampart and Warner Bros 45s were pressed FOUR YEARS after the original on Linda.

the rampart copy has a delta stamp  from september 1965...probably they used the same plate as the linda 45....

[Trev Thomas]

rampart and linda are from the same stampers sharing the same delta numbers, obviously the warner bros press is from a different set of stampers

[Baldsoulie]

Thought I had read somewhere that the WB release was a new recording by the same artists (without intro to distinguish it) making both the Linda and WB originals? Sold a pup perhaps.

[Dave Pinch]

if memory serves, the majestics and one of the david and rubin`s, the one on warner bros i believe)are one and the same, exactly. they are EXACTLY the same press down to the same delta number IN THE SAME POSITION. with the only difference being the warner label and listed as a duet in listings i have seen. the rampart appears to be another version however its a long time since i heard it to comment, but its crap imo. That said i would love to own the blue issue, 1000 seems a fair go

linda and rampart are exactly the same take..the warner bros 45 has the horn intro missed off but after that its the same

[Dave Pinch]

is it me or does there seem to be an awful lot of linda copies kickin around at the moment.. everytime time i look on usa ebay there one for sale... always fetch a lot of money tho 

[NUFCSOUL]

To answer the Q - Majestics for me !

Got the white demo David/Ruben many years ago then realised the Linda had an intro so... had that years as well.

Still a DJ fill the floor certainty when it's a classics situation.

[Baldsoulie]

Just to confirm that I had read something along the lines that the Linda/Rampart versions are different to the WB version, not to say this is a 'truth' or these facts are correct but to justify my purchase of the WB version not as a rerelease!.

JM selling a WB stock copy stated;

Published on 24 Jul 2014

RARE STOCK copy, so rarely seen for sale.
Eddie Davis reworks The Majestics - Linda recording to great effect, lush strings, hand-claps, finger-popping & some intricate violin plucking…not forgetting those soaring horns blaring down as if from on high.
Fabulous production and different enough to the one 4 years earlier that is considered a Northern Soul classic..

 

.............

And on that well know blog,  wwwyoufoundtheeastsidesoundcom.BlogSpot  states

There were three Majestics groups!,  and also stating that Eddie Davis took the Majestics master to Warner Bros and used the Ralph Ventura Mariachi Group (group that backed Linda Ronstadt) and put in horns and violins.  WB released the record in 1969 WB7316 

Can anyone verify/confirm or is this incorrect info.  Dose not really matter just love the record.

Edited January 8, 2015 by Baldsoulie

[Frankie Crocker]

There ya go Dave.

Wow, not seen a stock copy of this - so is the rarest format?

[Dave Pinch]

 

Just to confirm that I had read something along the lines that the Linda/Rampart versions are different to the WB version, not to say this is a 'truth' or these facts are correct but to justify my purchase of the WB version not as a rerelease!.

JM selling a WB stock copy stated;

Published on 24 Jul 2014

RARE STOCK copy, so rarely seen for sale.

Eddie Davis reworks The Majestics - Linda recording to great effect, lush strings, hand-claps, finger-popping & some intricate violin plucking…not forgetting those soaring horns blaring down as if from on high.

Fabulous production and different enough to the one 4 years earlier that is considered a Northern Soul classic..

 

.............

And on that well know blog,  wwwyoufoundtheeastsidesoundcom.BlogSpot  states

There were three Majestics groups!,  and also stating that Eddie Davis took the Majestics master to Warner Bros and used the Ralph Ventura Mariachi Group (group that backed Linda Ronstadt) and put in horns and violins.  WB released the record in 1969 WB7316 

Can anyone verify/confirm or is this incorrect info.  Dose not really matter just love the record.

 

see post 44

[Dave Pinch]

Wow, not seen a stock copy of this - so is the rarest format?

i`d say so