Dekka Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 Not too long ago I argued the toss that Johnnie Taylor - Blues in the Night - Stax was not a boot It was released officially by stax in 2006. I conceded the point as it was retrospective it must be a boot. I immediately bought the album. R.L Burnside has had a release of 'it's bad you know' on Pyramid records someone is selling this record for £50 I immediately flagged it as a boot. Pikeys dog argued that it isn't a boot and immediately cited kent etc. I say all records that are not original vinyl are boots, anyone else agree. After all would you play out kent, Grapevine etc at an OVO event, I certainly would not
Sebastian Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) I say all records that are not original vinyl are boots, anyone else agree. That's totally wrong. Anyone who agrees with you is wrong. A bootleg is an illegitimately produced record done without having cleared rights etc. Reissues or as you call them "retrospective releases" does not automatically become boots/bootlegs. This has nothing to do with whether or not you want to "play out" a bootleg or reissue while DJing. That's an entirely different discussion. Edited October 3, 2012 by Sebastian 1
Citizen P Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 So, what are you saying, for example, an alexander Patton on British Capitol is a boot ??? I'm all for OVO but sometimes it can get a leeetle bit ridiculous. ATB Tony 1
Guest peter burke Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 Sorry decca your loss as various kent previously unissued tracks only made available through them. pete
Guest Brett F Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 Ridiculous statement, legitimate re-issues are not boots, plus many fantastic previously unreleased tracks have been put out by both Kent/Ace and numerous other companies. This post is quite ignorant of this music scene, whatever OVO guide for dummies you're reading from I'd suggest you bin it.
Roger Williams Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 I say all records that are not original vinyl are boots, anyone else agree. The term 'Bootleg' when used in relation to vinyl 45rpm records means that the said item is a product of the practice of counterfeiting. Any record that is released legally, regardless of it not being the first time of release, is not a counterfeit, therefore it is not a bootleg. If you prefer to play first issues, fair enough, but that doesn't make every reissue a 'boot', that's somewhat of an extreme view in my opinion. Cheers Mr. Logic
Sweeney Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 I say all records that are not original vinyl are boots, anyone else agree. After all would you play out kent, Grapevine etc at an OVO event, I certainly would not A bit harsh and also plain wrong. Companies like Kent work hard to ensure that the people who own the work get any monies they are due and can hardly be called bootleggers. Hence their product aren't boots. What if a record is previously unreleased and the Kent/whoever copy is the first vinyl release - such as Chuck Jackson's 'What's With This Loneliness?' I'd happily play out a record such as that as it's the first legitimate release on vinyl.
Roger Williams Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 It's like calling everyone south of Watford a 'cockney'. 1
Dekka Posted October 3, 2012 Author Posted October 3, 2012 A bit harsh and also plain wrong. Companies like Kent work hard to ensure that the people who own the work get any monies they are due and can hardly be called bootleggers. Hence their product aren't boots. What if a record is previously unreleased and the Kent/whoever copy is the first vinyl release - such as Chuck Jackson's 'What's With This Loneliness?' I'd happily play out a record such as that as it's the first legitimate release on vinyl. But that makes it original vinyl, thats my point. fat possum LP was released in 1998, that is the original, pyramid is a boot
Dekka Posted October 3, 2012 Author Posted October 3, 2012 Ridiculous statement, legitimate re-issues are not boots, plus many fantastic previously unreleased tracks have been put out by both Kent/Ace and numerous other companies. This post is quite ignorant of this music scene, whatever OVO guide for dummies you're reading from I'd suggest you bin it. wasn't talking about unreleased, read the post Talking specifically about retrospective i.e popular album track being pressed 'booted' as a single
Popular Post jocko Posted October 3, 2012 Popular Post Posted October 3, 2012 But that makes it original vinyl, thats my point. fat possum LP was released in 1998, that is the original, pyramid is a boot This and your earlier post, in fact that more so, is the biggest pile of ignorant pish I have ever read on here, which is saying something, I have read it a few times and can't get past it being a wind up and just fishing. Otherwise a great indicator of how people hanging out the OVO banner have as little clue about what that actually was meant to stand for as those who buy the new carvers. And cause even more damage to an already fataly damaged scene. Not to mention, the most important point for me, the ridiculous damage this does to labels like Kent who do far more for my music and its people than any f**ked up view of a scene. I give in. Again 5
Kegsy Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 Not too long ago I argued the toss that Johnnie Taylor - Blues in the Night - Stax was not a boot It was released officially by stax in 2006. I conceded the point as it was retrospective it must be a boot. I say all records that are not original vinyl are boots, anyone else agree. After all would you play out kent, Grapevine etc at an OVO event, I certainly would not Using this logic ALL the early Stateside, London American etc releases are boots then. kegsy
Guest Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 It's like calling everyone south of Watford a 'cockney'. Or every Leeds fan a Bell-End!
Epic Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 wasn't talking about unreleased, read the post Talking specifically about retrospective i.e popular album track being pressed 'booted' as a single How do you view the UK single release of "Baby Hit & Run" by The Contours ? Released purely via demand from the northern scene.
Amsterdam Russ Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 Sebastian hit the nail on the head with the first reply. Central to this is a misunderstanding by the original poster of what a 'boot' is. A US release issued legitimately in the UK (or any other country) is not a boot. A 45 repressed in a market to cater for demand is a reissue. An illegally pressed record is a boot. The word 'boot' comes from 'bootleg', which originally referred to illegal bottles of hooch hidden inside the bootlegs of smugglers. You've got your reissues and boots mixed up so badly that you need resouling!
Dekka Posted October 3, 2012 Author Posted October 3, 2012 Singles released retrospectively from albums, 'cashing in' are and I don't care how you dress them up are Boots.
Wiggyflat Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 Boots were the unauthorised release of rock act gigs or rare recordings.....pressings were the unauthorised releasing of soul stuff.....reissues are the authorised release of already been issued material.Anybody got any Kornyphone boots????
Sebastian Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 Singles released retrospectively from albums, 'cashing in' are and I don't care how you dress them up are Boots. 3
Roger Williams Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) Singles released retrospectively from albums, 'cashing in' are and I don't care how you dress them up are Boots. Brilliant, it was odds-on that that would be your ultimate answer to all those reasoned replies . If I was to write a play about all that's ridiculous about the northern soul scene, you would be my number one inspiration for the lead character, good work. Edited October 3, 2012 by Roger Williams 1
Epic Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 Singles released retrospectively from albums, 'cashing in' are and I don't care how you dress them up are Boots. Tamla Motown "bootleg" their own records then !!!! Who should they sue ? 1
Trev Thomas Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) Singles released retrospectively from albums, 'cashing in' are and I don't care how you dress them up are Boots. so, that makes an original a.b.c. copy of the natural four -" i thought you were mine" a boot, as it was taken from the "good vibes" album, glad weve got that cleared up Edited October 3, 2012 by trev thomas 1
Citizen P Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 Singles released retrospectively from albums, 'cashing in' are and I don't care how you dress them up are Boots. Spot on. And any album that was ever released with a sticker on saying" contains the Hit Single................" was also cashing in and therefore a boot. Tony
Trev Thomas Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) all those u.s. columbia 45's of bobby womacks "home is where the heart is"..... bootlegs, i bow to your superior knowledge dikka Edited October 3, 2012 by trev thomas 1
KevH Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 so, that makes an original a.b.c. copy of the natural four - i thought you were mine a boot, as it was taken from the "good vibes" album, glad weve got that cleared up No ,that's a re-working of the Boola Boola tune Trev isn't it?.Here to help . Dekka,have a lie down mate.
Trev Thomas Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) No ,that's a re-working of the Boola Boola tune Trev isn't it?.Here to help . Dekka,have a lie down mate. a re-working of a tune previously released on another label, taken from a album....., robbing bastards cashing in and dressing it up........bloody bootleg, Edited October 3, 2012 by trev thomas 2
Trev Thomas Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 No ,that's a re-working of the Boola Boola tune Trev isn't it?.Here to help . Dekka,have a lie down mate. lie down.......he wants carting away in a straight jacket 1
Kegsy Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 lie down.......he wants carting away in a straight jacket I fear he has ISSUES or if its not the first time RE-ISSUES, is under PRESSure and if he does not calm down he may end up in BOOT hill. Kegsy 2
Popular Post Dekka Posted October 3, 2012 Author Popular Post Posted October 3, 2012 Pretty conclusive what everyone thinks then. Guess i'm wrong. I stand corrected Least I was right with my original thoughts, until swayed on here by others, oh well live and learn 4
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