The History Of The Early Rare Soul Bootlegs 68 - 73

[dthedrug]

HI ALL

As we approach retirement? and if that applies to yourself, you probably got you first RARE SOUL RECORDS on a BOOTLEG?

FOR MANY IT WAS Jeff Kings SOUL SOUNDS that started it all, However I think I have got evidence, that proves that there were 2 releases before the SOUL SOUNDS Label, Mentioned before on SOULSOURCE, My Blank copy of CHUBBY CHEKERS DISCOTEQUE B/W TAMS HEY GIRL DON'T BOTHER ME, Which is 2nd release from the source as Roy Gelder has the 1st release,

For many years, I have been stumped by not finding out the info, but I believe progress has been made in the last 7 days?

As the 45 had a BLANK LABEL with graffiti over it, I decided to remove it all together? in doing so, and to much surprise, I found another label;

This discovery has led me to believe that the person behind the release had established links with the MUSIC INDUSTRYM in the NORTH WEST, a MAN UNITED FAN? & a patron of the TWISTED WHEEL CLUB?

What ever and who ever was involved, the 45 has a link back to PYE RECORDS, as the revers label was from a small run of PYE (Piccadilly) records, which is valued at £50,

Please take a look at the scan of the uncovered MAN UNITED DISC UNITED UNITED ,

What ever the the history reveals, this is a valuable record in many ways?

all info is relevant, any thing will do, DAVE

TAMS

[Guest db121]

Don't know anything about that disc unless it was the EMI discs that were knocking about in the late 60's

But there was a few pressings on normal vinyl (not Acetates)with no labels just stickers on with titles The Dynatones Hold on I'm coming/Hole in the wall,Jackie Wilson You can count on me / somebody up there like you, and I think a Jimmy Holiday and Larry Williams&Johny Watson around at The Wheel 69/70.

These were before Soul Sounds which I only remember early 71

[Gene-r]

Dave, I know it's not completely relevant to your original post, but here's what your Man United record may have looked like. Interestingly, I picked this up amongst a load of mid-60s records in London a few weeks ago, along with one of the Freddie Bell & The Bell Boys EPs on UK Mercury and a Jimmy Smith EP on UK Verve, both in pic sleeves.

However, if you're saying that the Man United 45 is worth £50, I would dismiss that as sheer fantasy. If I were to sell the Rangers 45, I'd take at least £47 off your hysterically, over-inflated, know-all price. The Tams / Chubby Checker mispress with this reversed label would, of course, be an entirely different matter?

Edited October 10, 2012 by Gene-R

[Ady Croasdell]

I consider the first to have been Jeff King's Old Soul label: Poets She blew A Good Thing and a Jackie Lee pressing. Old Soul was the name we gave to the music which later became known as Northern.Ady

[Guest db121]

The ones I've described in earlier post were pressings on normal vinyl and I was looking at the Jackie Wilson one a few weeks ago I believe 25 copies were done late 69.

The Jimmy Holiday one was Spread your love not sure what was the other side

Obviously this is not a proper run of bootlegs with printed labels but were before Jeff Kings soul sounds.

[dthedrug]

Dave, I know it's not completely relevant to your original post, but here's what your Man United record may have looked like. Interestingly, I picked this up amongst a load of mid-60s records in London a few weeks ago, along with one of the Freddie Bell & The Bell Boys EPson UK Mercury and a Jimmy Smith EP on UK Verve, both in pic sleeves.

However, if you're saying that the Man United 45 is worth £50, I would dismiss that as sheer fantasy. If I were to sell the Rangers 45, I'd take at least £47 off your hysterically, over-inflated, know-all price. The Tams / Chubby Checker mispress with this reversed label would, of course, be an entirely different matter?

HI SORRY FOR NOT GETTING BACK SOONER?

The Rangers is almost identical in design, the MAN UNITED IS BLUE LETTERS WHITE BACKGROND, Please note the valuation of the MAN UNITED 45 I got off EBay from a dealer in football memorabilia, I agree with you but I would use that as a auction starter not a set sale, I also pick up football records, SPURS, is quite rare on 6ts label but m west ham records mean the most?

After speaking to ROY GELDER last weekend (top UK collector) informed me of a few records that were bootlegged for the rare soul scene starting in 1966, when I get the details I will post them,so my TAMS is nowhere near the 1st? it's a name that this thread did not reveal more info, as all early BOOTS are rare and collectible, thanks DAVE

[Julianb]

A DJ from Liverpool booted Walter Jackson's - Where have all the flowers gone in the 60s

Was he called Billy Butler ( not the soul artist) or something like that?

Edited October 11, 2012 by JulianB

[dthedrug]

A DJ from Liverpool booted Walter Jackson's - Where have all the flowers gone in the 60s

Was he called Billy Butler ( not the soul artist) or something like that?

HI JULES .. YES HE DID, BB was a well know DJ on Mersyside in the late 6ts sort of Pete Waterman type, he was (i think) the DJ who sold CIGARETE ASH JC MIRWOOD for £80 and it got released on JAY BOY 2 Weeks later??

[bri phill]

It was Billy Butler he use to DJ at The Mardi Gras.

I seem to think it was TempationWalk he had first late 69(or the first we knew about)

I use to send him lists in 69/70

Big local Radio/Tv celebrity now

Thos other pressing mentioned earlier on this thread I had done but only LP tracks 20 or 25 of each 4 in total

Edited October 11, 2012 by bri. phill

[dthedrug]

It was Billy Butler he use to DJ at The Mardi Gras.

I seem to think it was TempationWalk he had first late 69(or the first we knew about)

I use to send him lists in 69/70

Big local Radio/Tv celebrity now

Thos other pressing mentioned earlier on this thread I had done but only LP tracks 20 or 25 of each 4 in total

BRI Imay be wrong but my 45 the TAMS HEY GIRL b/w CHUBBY CHECKERS DISCOTEQUE, look like they were pressed up on a PYE STAMPER? is that right or can yo confirm, dave

[Jez Jones]

It was Billy Butler he use to DJ at The Mardi Gras.

I seem to think it was TempationWalk he had first late 69(or the first we knew about)

I use to send him lists in 69/70

Big local Radio/Tv celebrity now

Thos other pressing mentioned earlier on this thread I had done but only LP tracks 20 or 25 of each 4 in total

...I seem to recollect a link there ...between Billy Butler DJ and getting some records pressed up at a Chicago pressing plant....I may have dreamt it lol...

[bri phill]

...I seem to recollect a link there ...between Billy Butler DJ and getting some records pressed up at a Chicago pressing plant....I may have dreamt it lol...

Jezz it wasn't The Right Track etc was it?

[bri phill]

BRI Imay be wrong but my 45 the TAMS HEY GIRL b/w CHUBBY CHECKERS DISCOTEQUE, look like they were pressed up on a PYE STAMPER? is that right or can yo confirm, dave

Dave sorry can't help you on that one the only discs at the time I saw like that were EMI discs that were getting done in The Midlands. I had a few done of records people wanted of my originals for mates.

[Jez Jones]

Jezz it wasn't The Right Track etc was it?

Haha ...no mate...will explain further on the 28th mate

[dthedrug]

I consider the first to have been Jeff King's Old Soul label: Poets She blew A Good Thing and a Jackie Lee pressing. Old Soul was the name we gave to the music which later became known as Northern.Ady

ADY at the end of 1970 i purchased many US MOTOWN TAMLA SOUL VIP MAHS RIC TIC & MORE from a warehouse in Letchworth this is were I first met John WILKINSON from Notts who was living & working in Letchworth I got the Jackie lee from him, also I remember CHRIS GALARD requesting it when I use to DJ in 1 of the 3 pubs in that quakertown, happy days,