Anyone got an issue copy of Stemmons Express "Woman, Love Thief" on Wand. Looking on popsike all copies listed there seem to be demos with black type.

Neither the Wand demo or the local issue on Karma list a writer. Does the issue? A scan would be nice.

I'll check my copy later.

how did those backing tracks end up in dallas...i dont think ive ever seen a wand issue

Although not from the Wand demo or Karma singles, it looks like the Kent LP Dancing 'Til Dawn credits Ashford & Armsted as writers.

Edited September 20, 201212 yr by John Reed

has anybody notice the two karma variations..blue text with correct spelling ( love power) and black text with incorrect spelling ( love tower)

Edited September 20, 201212 yr by dave pinch

on popsike

https://www.popsike.com/THE-STEMMONS-EXPRESS-WOMAN-LOVE-THIEF-NORTHERN-SOUL-Hear/251122267950.html

  On 20/09/2012 at 07:26, John Reed said:

Although not from the Wand demo or Karma singles, it looks like the Kent LP Dancing 'Til Dawn credits Ashford & Armsted as writers.

Well they wrote the B side so there's a chance they wrote the A as well..

only sam coplin is credited on the wand demo (both sides)

Sam bought the backing tracks after the record had been used for The Precisions "Such misery". Was discussing this with dave Thorley and probably George McGregor sold it. Ashford & Simpson were at Motown long before Stemmons was done, so doubt very much that they had a hand in it at all as they'd left FloMar. Also it's a Dallas record. I am in contact with Sam, I'll ask him.

Edited September 20, 201212 yr by Steve G

  On 20/09/2012 at 09:26, Steve G said:

Ashford & Simpson

Steve I'm confused, where do these fit in?

i thought it was dallas....jm said houston in his sales pitch... the stemmons expressway..was that where kennedy was shot

i think maybe steve g is right..sam coplin got the tracks from george mcgregor..how i dont know. as for writing the tunes were probaby writen by sam or even the band members. dont think its anything to do with ashford simpson or armstead. i`m willing to be proved wrong tho

take a look at these

https://www.popsike.com/RARE-NORTHERN-SOUL-45-STEMMONS-EXPRESS-KARMA-201/200071886354.html

https://www.popsike.com/Stemmons-Express-45-Love-Power-Rare-Pressing-Northern-Soul-Vinyl-Record/300631172726.html

this is the copyright entry which shows the writers. obviously they falsely claimed music / arrangement, or maybe it was copyrighted with some other music originally.

LOVE POWER; w & arr. Scott McKay, m

Tom Story. 2 p. © Sam Coplin, d.b.a.

Sam Coplin Music; 19Jun68; EU59478.

They were one of Sam's groups - def Dallas not Houston. Sam's office was on Stemmons Freeway (and I have also been there which is a main drag out of Dallas) and I am hoping to get a photo via his long term partner. Mr Stemmons was a founding father that built parts of Dallas up b.t.w hence a road named after him.

John - The Kent LP names A&S as writers - but Dave and myself are saying highly unlikely.

Edited September 20, 201212 yr by Steve G

  On 20/09/2012 at 10:20, Steve G said:

They were one of Sam's groups - def Dallas not Houston. Sam's office was on Stemmons Freeway (and I have also been there which is a main drag out of Dallas) and I am hoping to get a photo via his long term partner. Mr Stemmons was a founding father that built parts of Dallas up b.t.w hence a road named after him.

John - The Kent LP names A&S as writers - but Dave and myself are saying highly unlikely.

i posted the writers from US copyright docs above

  On 20/09/2012 at 10:20, Steve G said:

John - The Kent LP names A&S as writers - but Dave and myself are saying highly unlikely.

Of course.... I can be such a dumb f*ck sometimes

What's the price on these, these days?

for a wand issue, who knows as i personally, have never seen one...bit like i never seen an ivories demo

would say a couple of hundred for a karma copy and a ton and half for a wand demo.

Edited September 20, 201212 yr by bri pinch

Sam Coplin's office address as listed in Billboard 24 June1967 as:

SAM COPLIN THEATRICAL ENT.

3303 LEE PARKWAY

DALLAS, TEXAS

PHONE (214) LA 2-1011

  On 20/09/2012 at 13:35, garethx said:

Sam Coplin's office address as listed in Billboard 24 June1967 as:

SAM COPLIN THEATRICAL ENT.

3303 LEE PARKWAY

DALLAS, TEXAS

PHONE (214) LA 2-1011

Was it raining on Sept 8th 1964, my birth day Gareth?

Yes he moved from there in 68 Gareth. He also sued John lennon over the use of the name Karma which he claimed was his own.

could it be that the wand issue was cancelled/ withdrawn due to whatever

Edited September 20, 201212 yr by dave pinch

  On 20/09/2012 at 11:42, John Reed said:

Of course.... I can be such a dumb f*ck sometimes

surely it says ashford and armstead two totally or four different writers

  On 20/09/2012 at 19:58, kevinsoulman said:

surely it says ashford and armstead two totally or four different writers

on the original 45s it doesnt say any writers...... only on the bootlegs and lps just guess work on their part

Kent maybe just pulled "A. Ashford" off of the Precisions label & assumed it applied to the Stemmons Express track too? Anyone's guess really.

  On 20/09/2012 at 09:26, Steve G said:

Sam bought the backing tracks after the record had been used for The Precisions "Such misery". Was discussing this with dave Thorley and probably George McGregor sold it. Ashford & Simpson were at Motown long before Stemmons was done, so doubt very much that they had a hand in it at all as they'd left FloMar. Also it's a Dallas record. I am in contact with Sam, I'll ask him.

Hi Steve....Was Sam behind the Karma label or just the Stemmons 45? The reason being that I don't know if the mystery behind how the Sincerly San Jose 45 on Karma got released...would be interesting to me, thanks!

Hi george, yes Karma was Sam's label and he was behind all the releases on it. Sam's partner has promised to come back to me with detail before the end of the month. Steve

  On 19/09/2012 at 22:56, garethx said:

Anyone got an issue copy of Stemmons Express "Woman, Love Thief" on Wand. Looking on popsike all copies listed there seem to be demos with black type.

Neither the Wand demo or the local issue on Karma list a writer. Does the issue? A scan would be nice.

Demo scan sorry I haven't seen as issue .

Edited September 21, 201212 yr by spook