Sam Dees On Lolo Booted?

[boba]

I just got this record in the mail:

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140833081182

obviously it wouldn't have been booted for the northern scene but was there any weird repress for, say, the deep soul scene? There is nothing mentioned in manship guide vol 5 and the record's value is listed. The font looks funny in real life and (as visible in the picture) the label is small and doesn't fully cover the wax where the label goes. Deadwax only has L1203A and L1203B hand scratched in it. Any info would be appreciated. I'm probably being overly suspicious, the font and weird label size is sort of disturbing though. Thanks for any help.

[Steve G]

Hi Bob, not seen it like that before but the words "Calla Records" give us a clue. The rest of the font setting is not to far off the ordinary LoLo demos, but it loks like a crude copy. "Repress for the deep soul scene"- very funny, made me laugh!

Almost certainly a mid 70s dodgy pressing. Morris Levy and Nate McCalla strike again They often released things with only the feintest hint of legal rights - normally a phone call. Anyone who complained got their knees smashed - but you know all that....

That's the best I can come up with on that one.

[boba]

The font looks funnier in real life.

I thought lolo was related to calla? for example, that top shelf 45 came out on both labels. what would the motivation be for calla to legally or not press it in the mid-70s?

[Dave Pinch]

ooops

Edited September 19, 2012 by dave pinch

[pikeys dog]

If you look at the sellers other items via Auctiva it gives the name waxwellrecordsamsterdam.

There's loads of deep soul 45s of dubious authenticy from Holland, where I'm told there was a Deep Soul scene on par with that of Japan in the 70s.

[Steve G]

The font looks funnier in real life.

I thought lolo was related to calla? for example, that top shelf 45 came out on both labels. what would the motivation be for calla to legally or not press it in the mid-70s?

Tax dodge. re-press 500 claim you pressed 50,000. Like they did with the Bobby Boyd album. The Dutch connection is also feasible I guess. I hadn't thought of that.

Am I reading it correctly that the previous owner was a M R.Soul? That funny!

Edited September 19, 2012 by Steve G

[boba]

i know about tax scam labels, etc. but I think pikey is probably right in this case. either way, i left positive feedback for the seller, not the end of the world and i got two other records that weren't fake

[Tricky]

The Dutch had bootlegging down to a fine art.

Mighty Sam on Audio Arts was a good one!

[Prophonics 2029]

It seems funny for a boot to have a stamp on like that and the pen x's, if its a John and The Weirdest to fool the buyer then yes I would say so. Even a boot @ $17.00 sounds ok? for a real one!.

[boba]

It seems funny for a boot to have a stamp on like that and the pen x's, if its a John and The Weirdest to fool the buyer then yes I would say so. Even a boot @ $17.00 sounds ok? for a real one!.

all the records in this collection had the stamp of the owner. books low in manship. either way no big deal.

[Prophonics 2029]

He has a decent list of sales at the moment.

[Steve G]

i know about tax scam labels, etc. but I think pikey is probably right in this case. either way, i left positive feedback for the seller, not the end of the world and i got two other records that weren't fake

Yes I'd tend to agree about the Dutch pressing.

Talking of Roulette and Calla it reminds me of a Maurice Levy story I read once - can't remember where now - but he gets wind someone is botlegging Roulette records in Brooklyn or somewhere so he and McCalla go off to Brooklyn tooled up with bats etc. They get in there, smash the equipment and grab the guy ready to kneecap him, and the bootlegger says his young son is in hospital and he's only doing it to raise the money for a critical operation his son needs. Thinking he's full of c*ap, the pair of them frog march him to the hospital whereupon they find that the bootleggers story is indeed true. So they let him off with a warning "Bootleg anyone else's records but don't ever bootleg my records again", and then Levy writes a cheque to pay for the boys operation. Apparantly a true story but I am sure he dined out on it for a long time.

Edited September 19, 2012 by Steve G

[Mike Lofthouse]

Noticed the item location was Dubai United Arab Emirates - it was a well known fact that they would press up vinyl records and dump them in the desert to use up surplus oil. And it follows that with the rare Deep soul scene over there - started by the ex-pat Dutch workers - they would choose tasty titles and artists like Sam Dees !

[boba]

Noticed the item location was Dubai United Arab Emirates - it was a well known fact that they would press up vinyl records and dump them in the desert to use up surplus oil. And it follows that with the rare Deep soul scene over there - started by the ex-pat Dutch workers - they would choose tasty titles and artists like Sam Dees !

I can't tell whether this is a serious post or not

[Weingarden]

Hmmm...I think mine looks the same. I'll have to dig it up. And I feel like I have other Calla-related things that look like that, which I've found around New York over the years...

[Garethx]

Definitely a Dutch bootleg. I recognise the ink-stamp on the label from Dutch used record shops.

The label is a facsimile of one version of the real dj copy, which would have been manufactured by Calla through Roulette at an RCA pressing plant. My own copy has a scratched matrix but also a stamped "R" representing the RCA Rockaway, New Jersey factory.

[boba]

Definitely a Dutch bootleg. I recognise the ink-stamp on the label from Dutch used record shops.

The label is a facsimile of one version of the real dj copy, which would have been manufactured by Calla through Roulette at an RCA pressing plant. My own copy has a scratched matrix but also a stamped "R" representing the RCA Rockaway, New Jersey factory.

Thanks so much. It's much more obvious in real life that the font is not an original 60s/early 70s font. Thanks again.

[Garethx]

From the ebay scan the typefaces look the right ones but the entire thing looks scaled down to fit the smaller than regular sized label.

[Steve G]

Yes agree on the Fonts Calla did use an odd font in the early 70s - a bit like Times new roman....