Would The Scene Die If There Were No Longer Vinyl

[Chalky]

IMO--collecting and playing rare soul on vinyl is one of the cornerstones that the scene is built on and without it i think the scene would collapse.

Theres something very special about owning that bit of 7" plastic(im talking records here).Finally getting to own that original vinyl youve searched years for gives me a real buzz(again im talking about records)

Nobody can say the same about c.d.S

As for numbers through the doors i ran a soul night for five years ,always looking for and trying to be different,Playing tunes that you just didnt hear anywhere else in our area----and was called an elitist etc.

Five years later the beer towel brigade are playing the same records (mostly on boots) to full dancefloors.So in effect its the collecting of rare vinyl that has kept the scene going for them.

I agree entirely Antellects, Mello Souls, Patrinell Staton etc spring to mind as records which have in recent years gianed a wider audience....not all on boots mind

Many of the records some so called big boys play are what we were listening to before the revival in the scene...just taken them ten years to get over the stuff they used to know and move on a bit. There are still 100's from the 80's that haven't been played to the returnees that maybe one day will get another airing

[Guest Dan]

as long as I am stoned to death with dobey grey playing I couldnt give a numpty's uncle... that's my death tune, as Lindsay knows, so bring it on

is this a bootleg version of that dobie gray bloke (you know, the one you've listen to every day for 25 years)? have a look at the label.

ah! silly me...you won't have it on vinyl...

by the way, i love the thought of someone being stoned to death while listening to out on the floor...

'i get my....ouch!....kicks out...ow!....on the...right! who threw that?'

[Guest Dan]

I agree entirely Antellects, Mello Souls, Patrinell Staton etc spring to mind as records which have in recent years gianed a wider audience....not all on boots mind

Many of the records some so called big boys play are what we were listening to before the revival in the scene...just taken them ten years to get over the stuff they used to know and move on a bit. There are still 100's from the 80's that haven't been played to the returnees that maybe one day will get another airing

this is exactly where the 'new' sounds are going to come from chalky (contrary to earlier points made, i don't think there are enough proper new sounds to be uncovered by anyone, collectors or not, any more) but imagine what you'd find if you were let loose in, say, tim ashibende's collection, or george sharp's, or ted massey's, or any of the other big collector-not-really-djs.

this - the hours of toil getting a bad back, and paper and vinyl cuts all over your hands, and covered in dust in basements across the states, of shelling $$ and ££ out for unknowns, of tracking down artists and meeting them and getting their back catalogue off them - this is what the scene owes collectors and it's why records that most of us haven't ever heard of will become big in the next few years...not strictly 'newies' cos they're known and will have been played somewhere, some time, before but 'newers', maybe?

then you can stick them all up on your site soulgirl (and great site it is too) and soulclub can put them up and they can go round the world, cos that's what the scene and the music owes to the internet.

[Guest rachel]

Rachel, if only there were more like you. That last paragraph is "nail on head" stuff i.m.h.o.why would anybody want to travel to a venue to hear music that thay can play at home? and sing along to every word. I know many people who get very upset if they don't know every single tune that's played. I'm running an upfront night myself, and struggling to get people in, but at least the ones who attend are there for the right reasons. And as long as I can break even, I'll keep going.

It is very depressing though when you see the attendances at oldies nights. Can't understand it myself. The buzz that I get when I hear a new tune that blows me away, just can't be beat. WHAT IS THAT, I MUST HAVE IT, PLAY IT AGAIN. That's what it means to me.

Wish you lived closer, you'd be very welcome at my do. Phil.

Hope to get there sometime, distance doesn't matter to me for the right kind of night

[Guest]

Somehow missed this thread, but i went to a local event Friday and saw Jamie Hartford, Steve Mannion, Errol Green, Mark Etheridge, Tony Wiggan and Jo Wallace pack a dance floor playing ORIGINAL VINYL RECORDS....... The bar area was rammed with vinyl addicts crouched over sales boxes, money was getting shoved into hands and 7" records were being held up to the light and discussed in great detail. Mr Higgins, Mr Hartford and Mr Dutton were like some wacky vaudeville act, with their hard bitten sales talk, quote... Mr Higgins as people walked in "Happy New Year, buy one get one free..i said buy one get one free". I had an outstanding night, i was amongst freinds and like minded souls, thank God for the Vinyl Record.

Brett

Edited January 14, 2006 by Brett

[Mike]

cd v vinyl thread 998

why it it always the cd/mp3 freaks who start these threads ?

[Guest Jamie]

cd v vinyl thread 998

why it it always the cd/mp3 freaks who start these threads ?

Short, Concise, and very true!

[Guest Andy BB]

Good debate.

Chalky has a superb record collection, as do many of the people posting on here.

However, Soulgirl has a belt with SOULGIRL on it - proudly displaying her passion for all the world to see.

Until Chalky has a belt with SOULBOY on it she wins in my opinion. Come on chalky, if you like Soul so much as you say you do - put your money where your mouth is!

[Guest]

I think the mp3 is irrelevent when it comes to the Rare Soul nights, all the events i attend are run by people who have a original vinyl policy. Without the vinyl element there would be no scene...etc, etc.......God i'm bored with this......

Chalky, Why don't you get a huge leather belt, then write your name on it ...with Chalk...

Another idea Chalky, why don't we open a broom cupboard at the Lifeline weekender and put a laptop inside and lock the mp3 freaks in it........

[Chalky]

Good debate.

Chalky has a superb record collection, as do many of the people posting on here.

However, Soulgirl has a belt with SOULGIRL on it - proudly displaying her passion for all the world to see.

Until Chalky has a belt with SOULBOY on it she wins in my opinion. Come on chalky, if you like Soul so much as you say you do - put your money where your mouth is!

Hi Andy, I don't have as large a collection as people assume. I did have a superb collection but that was sold once upon a time. Started buying again couple of years ago when I got divorced and this my second collection is coming along nicely

As for the belt...I'm obviously not as passionate about soul and have to concede defeat there

[Chalky]

I think the mp3 is irrelevent when it comes to the Rare Soul nights, all the events i attend are run by people who have a original vinyl policy. Without the vinyl element there would be no scene...etc, etc.......God i'm bored with this......

Chalky, Why don't you get a huge leather belt, then write your name on it ...with Chalk...

Another idea Chalky, why don't we open a broom cupboard at the Lifeline weekender and put a laptop inside and lock the mp3 freaks in it........

Gottra agree Brett, vinyl is still king at venues and will be for some time IMHO.

As for Lifeline Brett, there is somewhere for a laptop and the mp3 freaks..we call it the car park

[Guest]

Good debate.

Chalky has a superb record collection, as do many of the people posting on here.

However, Soulgirl has a belt with SOULGIRL on it - proudly displaying her passion for all the world to see.

Until Chalky has a belt with SOULBOY on it she wins in my opinion. Come on chalky, if you like Soul so much as you say you do - put your money where your mouth is!

Maybe someone can market this idea andy SOUL BOY HATS,SHIRTS,JACKETS AND BELTS

HB

[Billy Freemantle]

I think the mp3 is irrelevent when it comes to the Rare Soul nights, all the events i attend are run by people who have a original vinyl policy. Without the vinyl element there would be no scene...etc, etc.......God i'm bored with this......

Another idea Chalky, why don't we open a broom cupboard at the Lifeline weekender and put a laptop inside and lock the mp3 freaks in it........

I don't think anyone is arguing that the mp3 has any relevance to Rare Soul nights that are run by people who have an original vinyl policy. It would be difficult to see how they could. But there most certainly could be a scene in the sense that I outlined in my first post, or scenes existing within different parameters as others have suggested. It obviously wouldn't be a scene which included people huddled over boxes of vinyl and holding them up to the light to assess their provenence and their beauty but it would not be a scene devoid of music either. If it is really the music that matters, and that's all there was for some reason or another then would the demise of vinyl matter that much insofar as the music is concerned as opposed to the extra- musical thrills that vinyl offers? This is a genuine question and I would be interested to have some quantifiable measure of vinyl's importance along the lines that Chalky has suggested. His arguments seem to me to some of the most cogent and convincing I have heard.

[Guest dundeedavie]

I don't think anyone is arguing that the mp3 has any relevance to Rare Soul nights that are run by people who have an original vinyl policy. It would be difficult to see how they could. But there most certainly could be a scene in the sense that I outlined in my first post, or scenes existing within different parameters as others have suggested. It obviously wouldn't be a scene which included people huddled over boxes of vinyl and holding them up to the light to assess their provenence and their beauty but it would not be a scene devoid of music either. If it is really the music that matters, and that's all there was for some reason or another then would the demise of vinyl matter that much insofar as the music is concerned as opposed to the extra- musical thrills that vinyl offers? This is a genuine question and I would be interested to have some quantifiable measure of vinyl's importance along the lines that Chalky has suggested. His arguments seem to me to some of the most cogent and convincing I have heard.

i think the answer for a lot of people is , vinyl is everything and original vinyl in particular. now maybe this isn't the healthiest of attitudes but it seems to be the way it is .

in my own opinion people who say it doesn't matter what it is played off are in the wrong scene in my opinion and should start one of their own cos thats bollocks ...they could meet up and listen to compilation cd's or a laptop and have as much bloody fun as they liked ...and anyone who gets behind the decks with re-issues and bootlegs doesn't even rate a mention

[Guest]

Billy, i've aired my views on this time and time again. We seem to go over the same topics.

I'm gonna try and find my other posts in previous topics.

[Dave Moore]

Same old arguements from the same old type of people.

Why are original collectors so demonised by non vinyl collectors?

Why do modern soul fans so demonise Traditional Northern Soul Fans?

Why do non collectors feel the need to constantly defend the sheer accessibilty/availablity of the formats on which they listen/promote the RARE soul scene?

It's simple as a vinyl collector:

IF I KEEP HAVING TO EXPLAIN IT YOU ARE NEVER GONNA UNDERSTAND! Plain and Simple.

Regards,

Dave

[Guest]

is this a bootleg version of that dobie gray bloke (you know, the one you've listen to every day for 25 years)? have a look at the label.

ah! silly me...you won't have it on vinyl...

by the way, i love the thought of someone being stoned to death while listening to out on the floor...

'i get my....ouch!....kicks out...ow!....on the...right! who threw that?'

I do have it on vinyl... not that that makes any difference to me what so ever... I got it before cd's were invented

[Guest 50box]

Would the scene die if there were no longer individual vinyl collectors? Let me first define what I mean by the scene. I'm not talking about groups of people socializing together at venues, although this is obviously what the scene or part of it means to some people. By the scene I simply mean people, whether individually or collectively, buying and listening to rare soul and expecting there to be steady additions to the 'library' of available sounds.

It seems to me that it would not die. Certainly, the impetus provided by collectors would be missing, and this in turn would potentially result in fewer records being unearthed. But we would still have new material being provided for our listening pleasure by the specialist rare soul purveyors such as Ady C. at Kent, whose vault explorations and finds over the years have come up with quality records that have energized and revitalized our ear-drums.

Are there two scenes? One would die without collectors. Other would die without oldies..

Anyone wish death on their rival scene??

[Guest hammy]

The scene would definatley not die without vinyl,as most of the scene actualy dont care what format the music comes in.As for the danceing both phil and shane attend my venues and as you know phil even as late as last sat we had full floors right up to the last record,the problem as i see it is to many people trying to break into djing who are,nt good enough.As ive said i dont think the scene would die without vinyl but i hope that day never comes i do actualy beleive that useing original vinyl only is a way of keeping the djing standards higher,and that is my policy at soultown,obviously imho

I think you've hit the nail on the head here Mr McCabe. The vinyl only policy keeps DJing standards high - when I promoted, I only booked DJs who play original vinyl - partially for snobbery reasons I admit, but also due to the fact that the guys/girls with established collections have been round the block and know how to fill a floor and have the passion/skill/ whatever you want to call it to break new sounds. Andy D, Kitch, Dean A, Cliffe Steele, Fraser Dunn, Keith M etc etc have all done the business for me up here - because the passion comes through IMHO. It's not solely about rarity - it's about the knack/art of putting an interesting set together and making it work for the floor as well, something that takes practice/experience.

Hammy

[Shane Cosgrove]

Well 14 years on from this topic - whats changed?

[Winsford Soul]

36 minutes ago, Shane Cosgrove said:

Well 14 years on from this topic - whats changed?

My socks and boxers

[Woodbutcher]

32 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

My socks and boxers

Surely not both ... ?

[Amsterdam Russ]

1 hour ago, Shane Cosgrove said:

Well 14 years on from this topic - whats changed?

Record prices!

[Leicester Boy]

As a not bothered if its original or not record buyer,  i get an extra enjoyment from going to a do and listening to an original. The scene ,vinyl and original copies are all essential linked and the non playing of vinyl would for me signal the beginning of the end.

[Davenpete]

What a pointless question - would the scene die if all our ears fell off?

[Guest]

On 12/01/2006 at 18:26, Mark B said:

 

 

 

 

no but i like to hear new stuff as much as possible so if no more new stuff turned up then it would die for me, luckily i was missing for all the 80's and part of the 90's so there is tons of stuff that is still new to me. i do not dance much now mainly because after 1 or two dances i am knackered and my knee aches so have to rest it.

 

vinyl for me will always rule over other types of music recording mediums,

 

 

 

mark

I agree with you Mark. I went to Bilbao last year and I couldn't leave my arthritic hip behind. The best set of the whole weekend for me was the double deep two hours by Brian Groucher,  to which I drank a deal of beer and just listened intently. The best set (i realise its a personal choice)  was  by a young DJ Sophie Noble (of Heath and Noble). I enjoyed her set more than about half a dozen others I visited over the three days.   

On the Saturday night one DJ who is very well known misjudged the crowd completely and played R&B and ska for half his set. Not many Brits dancing during his set. They were moaning to each other at the bar but plenty of locals enjoying themselves.

Obviously its not been possible to go to a gig / set for awhile now but when I do I don't dance much. I spend the time talking to like-minded souls about records. If it was just Cds and downloads (some are fine for me) a lot of the ambience would go.

Two DJs who I always listen to on the radio are the Big AC Adrian Corbin on Future Radio and Solar Radio's Dug Chant. Both of them play new records mixed with old. Both superb judges of the music.