Betty Boo Say It Isn't So

[Len]

Four tees one more chance perhaps?

Gawd, I think I may be out of my depth here but here goes — I didn't think that Kent was anything to do with the other Kent.

Forgive me Father if I am completely wrong!

All the best,

Len

Edited September 9, 2012 by LEN

[Bazm]

Ian Clarke listed a Betty Boo - Say It Isn't So RCA acetate for Offers sometime last year. Emailed him to find out what offers he'd received. It had sold for £126

Hi Ian

I eluded to this earlier in the thread and it actually sold for more than you state.

[Ady Croasdell]

Four tees one more chance perhaps?

Sorry we were talking about UK Kent. I thimnk you're thinking of U S Kent. Ady

[Guest martyn]

Was a Soul Sam play @ the time ? First time I heard it was via Sam @ Wigan anyway

Cheers Paul

The first time I heard it was when Rug played it at The Rock Foundation soul night in Rushden in late 77 .....I think ( but I'm not sure on this) that Sam may have had his copy (or vive versa)....Not getting into another who/when/why/what argument on this coz I'm not certain 100% like I was with Betty Boo. But it was 'known' for a while before it went big at the niters

[Guest martyn]

Me me me me! I ain't discovered too many real records, I need to claim them all.

Well I was on the right track then.....Just got the Letchworth bit wrong ( mind you you were all mates if I remember right (?))....Close but no Cigar

[Len]

The first time I heard it was when Rug played it at The Rock Foundation soul night in Rushden in late 77 .....I think ( but I'm not sure on this) that Sam may have had his copy (or vive versa)....Not getting into another who/when/why/what argument on this coz I'm not certain 100% like I was with Betty Boo. But it was 'known' for a while before it went big at the niters

I think Tony Parker had Rugs copy - I know I'm right on that, it's not as if I was seven years old at the time!

All the best,

Len

[MrsWoodsrules]

He wont help you...... He died years ago! Apparently.

Only for three days.

Aid

[Guest martyn]

I think Tony Parker had Rugs copy - I know I'm right on that, it's not as if I was seven years old at the time!

All the best,

Len

Drove past The Rock the other week - Do they still use it ? Had some good nights there & The Vic before driving to Peterborough or St Ives

[Soul Shrews]

Very interesting thread and lots of information. To me (as someone looking in at an era slightly before I went to WC ) it looks simple: Taking Pete S' testimony as a starting point (being in the room and taping it is obviously a good starting point). It would seem to me to go as follows.:

SIIS was first played by RS in late 77. It was played as a newie every night, once a week at WC right through 78 and into 79. nothing unusual there. For example "I don't like to lose"Â was played for much longer by RS. So it was a top newie for about 18 months. It never obtained "oldie"Â status because for whatever reason Grapevine finally decided to release it as a single in the late summer of 79 and nobody bothered playing it after that. Sometime in the months after it was also included on the compilation "Sound Of The Grapevine"Â (where I first heard it) — Side 2 track 4.

So that's it; 18 months a newie and not played as an oldie.

However, just to reaffirm, it took me about five minutes on google to find this:

Dave McCadden, The Beat fanzine Feb 1979:

"I've always had a built in resistance to tailor mades and records where there are no originals to be had, and I've cursed many of the Wylie productions ( Hanky Panky / Down in the dumps ) for that very reason but I almost throw any doubts out of the window when I hear the brilliant BETTY BOO "SAY IT ISN'T SO" . . story is that Sam's had an acetate for a few years but I ain't heard him play the bleeder, if that's true Sam you want whipping, as this is a great voc/inst that Rich has been hammering for a long time,

"

For a long time .. in Feb 1979.

Thanks for that maslar.

Apologies to you, Pete S and martyn.....I got this very wrong

Eh up Paul - Richard and Nev Wherry then later Sam.

Nick i had no idea Richard Searling played it. As I said I "remember" Sam playing it @ Wigan was the 1st time I heard it

Cheers Paul

Edited September 9, 2012 by soul shrews

[Guest martyn]

Thanks for that maslar.

Apologies to you, Pete S and martyn.....I got this very wrong

No probs mate.

[Simon T]

*

Edited September 15, 2012 by simon t

[Guest AndyL]

I think Tony Parker had Rugs copy - I know I'm right on that, it's not as if I was seven years old at the time!

All the best,

Len

Yes I think that Tony bought Rugs copy. Great to hear you mention Rug fond memories of those days. He my best mate at the time. Had some cracking records

Andy

[Guest David Ryan]

Gawd, I think I may be out of my depth here but here goes — I didn't think that Kent was anything to do with the other Kent.

Forgive me Father if I am completely wrong!

All the best,

Len

[Guest David Ryan]

Hold my hands up completely!

[Len]

Hold my hands up completely!

lol - It's not often I'm right mate, believe me - But it was nice to feel like a 'Northern Soul Guru' if only for a minute ....Ooooo, I hope Dave Welding read it!

It don't matter does it?

All the best,

Len

[Len]

Yes I think that Tony bought Rugs copy. Great to hear you mention Rug fond memories of those days. He my best mate at the time. Had some cracking records

Andy

I think I'm on a roll!

All the best,

Len

[Guest martyn]

I think I'm on a roll!

All the best,

Len

Seem to remember Rug having Baja Marimba Band before or at the same time as JV & Ginger - Now I know its not PC to like it now, but that along with Tough Girl were easily the biggest instrumentals of mid to late 77, a very underestimated DJ & a good egg was Rug !

[Len]

Seem to remember Rug having Baja Marimba Band before or at the same time as JV & Ginger - Now I know its not PC to like it now, but that along with Tough Girl were easily the biggest instrumentals of mid to late 77, a very underestimated DJ & a good egg was Rug !

Yes, Rug is part of "Ëœfolk law' "Ëœaround these parts' - Apparently he had a lot of tunes before or at the same time as the biggest D.J's in the country and he played them all at The Rock, which was run by my good friend Andy Luck (Another poster on this thread) along with Johnny "ËœRed Pants' Warren (Now in Australia)

Sadly, I never got to meet Rug.

All the best,

Len

Edited September 11, 2012 by LEN

[Guest martyn]

Yes, Rug is part of "Ëœfolk law' "Ëœaround these parts' - Apparently he had a lot of tunes before or at the same time as the biggest D.J's in the country and he played them all at The Rock, which was run by my good friend Andy Luck (Another poster on this thread) along with Johnny "ËœRed Pants' Warren (Now in Australia)

Sadly, I never got to meet Rug.

All the best,

Len

Happy days. I heard there was a Rock re-union a few years back (?) . Keep me in the loop if anyone's planning another.....

Back on topic - I collected some tapes from my mums house earlier today - god knows which one is the relevant Betty Boo tape at St Ives, will work my way through them & re - post when I find it .....Don't anyone hold there breath though, there's only 24 hours in a day

[Pete S]

Seem to remember Rug having Baja Marimba Band before or at the same time as JV & Ginger - Now I know its not PC to like it now, but that along with Tough Girl were easily the biggest instrumentals of mid to late 77, a very underestimated DJ & a good egg was Rug !

Well I love it and am not afraid to admit it!

Someone sent me a tape (sorry I never knew who it was which is why I never said thanks) of Warrington Parr Hall late 77 and it has Pat Brady playing Baja Marimba Band (as Mike Post - Feelings). This is a great tape actually, all newies of the time, except there is NO atmosphere at all, such a shame.

[Guest martyn]

Well I love it and am not afraid to admit it!

Someone sent me a tape (sorry I never knew who it was which is why I never said thanks) of Warrington Parr Hall late 77 and it has Pat Brady playing Baja Marimba Band (as Mike Post - Feelings). This is a great tape actually, all newies of the time, except there is NO atmosphere at all, such a shame.

Was reading an old 'Soul Time' yesterday from 77 ...Which reminded me, Ginger had it covered up as Mike Post & JV as Freddie McCoy. In this Soul Time JV had convinced the writer that Freddie McCoys version is slower than the original Mike Post version !

[Pete S]

Was reading an old 'Soul Time' yesterday from 77 ...Which reminded me, Ginger had it covered up as Mike Post & JV as Freddie McCoy. In this Soul Time JV had convinced the writer that Freddie McCoys version is slower than the original Mike Post version !

He would not be lying mate because one of them had it sped up!

[Guest martyn]

He would not be lying mate because one of them had it sped up!

I didn't notice .......The gear must have been good

[Guest Gogs]

Still in my box !!!

[Guest DeeJay]

It would never have been scheduled for release on RCA (USA)... it was purely Richard's connections with RCA (UK) at the time and the fact that he and John had done a deal to release Grapevine via that outlet. I'm sure had it been put out in the States it would have been at least on something like Pameline or at best on Golden World which would have given Betty the most exposure. Why it wasn't we may never know

Steve

Ok so i have one of the original RCA acetates that were distributed to the "top" dj's of the time I think they were distributed via Dickyboy and RCA (Mine came from Pat Brady) Does that mean it's worth a few bob?

DJ

[Guest DeeJay]

It would never have been scheduled for release on RCA (USA)... it was purely Richard's connections with RCA (UK) at the time and the fact that he and John had done a deal to release Grapevine via that outlet. I'm sure had it been put out in the States it would have been at least on something like Pameline or at best on Golden World which would have given Betty the most exposure. Why it wasn't we may never know

Steve

Ok so i have one of the original RCA acetates that were distributed to the "top" dj's of the time I think they were distributed via Dickyboy and RCA (Mine came from Pat Brady) Does that mean it's worth a few bob?

DJ

[Pete S]

Ok so i have one of the original RCA acetates that were distributed to the "top" dj's of the time I think they were distributed via Dickyboy and RCA (Mine came from Pat Brady) Does that mean it's worth a few bob?

DJ

Yeah £600 apparently, though if you tried to get that you'd have it for the next 30 years as well.

[Guest MrC]

Well I love it and am not afraid to admit it!

Someone sent me a tape (sorry I never knew who it was which is why I never said thanks) of Warrington Parr Hall late 77 and it has Pat Brady playing Baja Marimba Band (as Mike Post - Feelings). This is a great tape actually, all newies of the time, except there is NO atmosphere at all, such a shame.

It's on one of the Wigan tapes from 76/77 when Pep was DJ'ing, introduced it as 'a bit of a mystery instrumental'

I remember you trying to find out what it was from that day on Pete.

[Pete S]

It's on one of the Wigan tapes from 76/77 when Pep was DJ'ing, introduced it as 'a bit of a mystery instrumental'

I remember you trying to find out what it was from that day on Pete.

Yeah that was the 4th anniversary mate, started his spot with Lou Ragland and it was a bit downhill from there to be honest, he also played The bellboys for the first time, I took the tape into the shop the next week and asked him what it was and he didn't know

[dthedrug]

HI ALL ... WIGAN 4Th ANAVERSARY SEPTEMBER 77, i CAN'T SAY THAT i HAVE YOU MEMORY RECAL LADS?

However I was there I am sure Mick Ady & Pete And, was also there, I remember Pep haggling me over the price of records with his haggling smirk face inclusive of smile, every record had one price 50p if you said yes the game went on lowering as he was doing me a favour, trying to think were or what speaker you would tape from as there always tape records on the stage and young kids running up checking the bloody things, if on the right side that's were a lot of BEDS & CAMBS, TENDED TO BE? the Wolves gangster were always patrolling the BOGS and were around my age, so as you have the tape and it's from the 4Th, 100%, you must be right?

However I thought it was GINGER who was meant to have played it 1st? so if PEP played it, does that mean the GINGER PART IS B****KS?? as he also is on tape, did John Vincent play it at SOULFUL SAMANTHA SHEFIELD SUMMER SEVENTY SEVEN S**T

DAVE 69

[Pete S]

HI ALL ... WIGAN 4Th ANAVERSARY SEPTEMBER 77, i CAN'T SAY THAT i HAVE YOU MEMORY RECAL LADS?

However I was there I am sure Mick Ady & Pete And, was also there, I remember Pep haggling me over the price of records with his haggling smirk face inclusive of smile, every record had one price 50p if you said yes the game went on lowering as he was doing me a favour, trying to think were or what speaker you would tape from as there always tape records on the stage and young kids running up checking the bloody things, if on the right side that's were a lot of BEDS & CAMBS, TENDED TO BE? the Wolves gangster were always patrolling the BOGS and were around my age, so as you have the tape and it's from the 4Th, 100%, you must be right?

However I thought it was GINGER who was meant to have played it 1st? so if PEP played it, does that mean the GINGER PART IS B****KS?? as he also is on tape, did John Vincent play it at SOULFUL SAMANTHA SHEFIELD SUMMER SEVENTY SEVEN S**T

DAVE 69

Dave the fact that Pep couldn't remember it probably means he was given it there and then that night and asked to play it.

[Prophonics 2029]

Gawd, I think I may be out of my depth here but here goes — I didn't think that Kent was anything to do with the other Kent.

Forgive me Father if I am completely wrong!

All the best,

Len

Heresy your 100 club anniversary tickets are now null and void.

For complete absolution

Nam Myoho Renge Kyo - 20 Minute Chant

translated to Northern

Kent is the best I will not buy bootlegs.

and it will revalidate your ticket.

Edited September 15, 2012 by Prophonics 2029

[MrsWoodsrules]

I was chatting to Richard about the Betty Boo acetate last night.

He says there is actually (only) one 7' Betty Boo acetate out there.

Now that would be a nice one to own.

Aid.

[Pete S]

I was chatting to Richard about the Betty Boo acetate last night.

He says there is actually (only) one 7' Betty Boo acetate out there.

Now that would be a nice one to own.

Aid.

What does he mean, one acetate? One original acetate from Popcorn Wylie? Cos there's more than one contemporary (contemporary as in 1979) acetate

[MrsWoodsrules]

What does he mean, one acetate? One original acetate from Popcorn Wylie? Cos there's more than one contemporary (contemporary as in 1979) acetate

Not sure to be honest Pete, I presumed he was talking about the RCA's ( i thought all the acetates were 10"), but he could have meant Wylies I suppose.

Aid.

[Agentsmith]

What does he mean, one acetate? One original acetate from Popcorn Wylie? Cos there's more than one contemporary (contemporary as in 1979) acetate

i think thats what he meant as well pete, a good many of us have seen the pre- grapevine promotional before. it reminded me of the margaret little record where only one legit acetate exists, in tim brown's posession, he got that off popcorn wylie.

[Guest martyn]

What does he mean, one acetate? One original acetate from Popcorn Wylie? Cos there's more than one contemporary (contemporary as in 1979) acetate

Right - This is going to firmly put the cat amongst the pidgeons ....I can hardly belive it myself even though I would have been at the nighter myself !....The following is from BLUES &SOUL ISSUE No199 from Frank Elsons Checkin' It Out column where he reviews St Ives allnighter ;

"Poke has certainly come along way since our first meetingin the cellar at Stamford (as have all the preceeding jocks)....Its nice to see people who I met years ago & rated highly getting the success they deserve & he now tells me that he works for John Anderson at Soul Bowl.

His list includes SAY IT ISNT SO ,BETTY BOO (unissued) , Get Out & Get It , Willie Brown & Raw Soul (tri-it), Meet me halfway, Lillie Bryant (Tayster) a revitalised sound that one , Ready On Ready,Donnie Vann & Co (GSF), I want some Satisfaction, Mike Jemmison (GeNeva)

Yes, all in all a rather interesting & satisfying scene down at St Ives "

THE DATE JUNE 29TH 1976 !!!!!!!!! which would be a review of the first nighter there in June as the second one was if I remember correctly an oldies nighter !

[Steve L]

Case closed m'lud

[Jerry Hipkiss]

Just shows the longevity (big word!!) of some of the top tunes at the time! Still recall the excitement when Clarky finally got a dub (from Mr. Anderson?) to play at Yate, and we must be talking the second half of '78 there!

[Guest martyn]

Just shows the longevity (big word!!) of some of the top tunes at the time! Still recall the excitement when Clarky finally got a dub (from Mr. Anderson?) to play at Yate, and we must be talking the second half of '78 there!

True Jerry, if they were 'one off's' people had to travel to hear them (no youtube then), so they were less overplayed & seemed to last longer....On the other hand though there were a lot of records that got presssed far, far to soon that had a lot more time to run ......As for Yate, there were a lot of sounds if I recall that were played by Clarkie (& others) that 'didn't travel'....Might be an idea to re-visit some of the Yate playlists from 78/79. For example I can't remember hearing Anthony & The Sophomores (SP?) anywhere else back then

[KevH]

Case closed m'lud

What did i say on Saturday youth...

[Steve L]

What did i say on Saturday youth...

You're always right

[charliew]

Found this thread very intresting ,but seeing as it started about a RCA acetate going for silly money on JM,s auction then at some point leading on to reference the tomangoes and Larry clinton RCA acetates, i really do wonder about the validity of these ? . From what ive read i assume there was no original acetate of betty boo other than master tape, however i recall purchasing an orig acetate of larry clinton via Pat brady many years ago so surely this makes a mockery of an RCA acetate ? THE STRANGE WORLD OF NS !

[Guest Nick Harrison]

That is the most ridiculous post I have seen for a long while.You were obviously not going in 77 or you wouldn't spout such tripe......The Fabuletts, The Servicemen (are you angry), Burning Bush, The Ellingtons, Derek & Ray, Billy Arnell, 7th Wonder, Flamming Emeralds, Lovelittes, to name but a few were all being played as newies by Ginger or Sam in the summer of 77...As was Betty Boo in the autumn of 77 by Ginger. Get your facts right before calling me a liar.

So Ginger heighten's his well established flagging oldies profile and introduces a small percentage of newies to his ageing sets . Why is that termed ridiculous !!

As very few of the above newies were not limited exclusive to Mr Taylor were they around this time!

[Guest martyn]

So Ginger heighten's his well established flagging oldies profile and introduces a small percentage of newies to his ageing sets . Why is that termed ridiculous !!

As very few of the above newies were not limited exclusive to Mr Taylor were they around this time!

EDIT

Post deleted .......I just give up with you fella

Edited September 19, 2012 by martyn

[Gary Hepworth]

I bought one of the RCA acetate in the 80s Wigan closed I ran of to Africa, left collection with Carole knight..now Phillips so the acetate could be in Australia..

[Harrythedog]

14 hours ago, Gary Hepworth said:

I bought one of the RCA acetate in the 80s Wigan closed I ran of to Africa, left collection with Carole knight..now Phillips so the acetate could be in Australia..

Ay up Gaz.

Hope you are well. Had some great times at The comrades on a Thursday and The Drum on a Friday and then off to the Casino. Up the M62 with my Beetle packed and then back and dropping you off at your grandma,s at Bawtry. Great days.

[Gary Hepworth]

Good times how's sue