Mike Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 people asking for tracks available on official released cds via forum site policy is no boot cds or dvds advertised never had no hard and fast rule on track requests and swapping usually just kept a eye on it with a shout given if over the top am in process of redefining whole sound set up and sound policy on site any thoughts/views on it all ?
Simon T Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 people asking for tracks available on official released cds via forum site policy is no boot cds or dvds advertised never had no hard and fast rule on track requests and swapping usually just kept a eye on it with a shout given if over the top am in process of redefining whole sound set up and sound policy on site any thoughts/views on it all ? Hi Mike Have you checked here www.riaa.com? A woman had to pay the equivalent of £12700 for down-loading and sharing copyrighted stuff. She said she downloaded / shared the tracks and would have bought it later if she had liked it. However, the judge said "a downloaded song kept on the hard disk was viewed as a direct substitute for a purchased copy"! Theoretically, if someone was to send some other memember a copywritten sound file, would SS be the equivelent of Naspter etc? Simon
steve z Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 people asking for tracks available on official released cds via forum site policy is no boot cds or dvds advertised never had no hard and fast rule on track requests and swapping usually just kept a eye on it with a shout given if over the top am in process of redefining whole sound set up and sound policy on site any thoughts/views on it all ? Hi Mike ,I have just paid £3000 for a tune as a "one off" the guy I bought it off lets someone have it on a tape/cd...a few weeks later........posted on here for all to Acetate First angry I have posted ATB Stevie Z
Guest ScooterNik Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 Sorry, I was responsible for one the other day. If its a problem please take it down. Could still do with a copy though!
Mike Posted January 9, 2006 Author Posted January 9, 2006 Hi Mike Have you checked here www.riaa.com? A woman had to pay the equivalent of £12700 for down-loading and sharing copyrighted stuff. She said she downloaded / shared the tracks and would have bought it later if she had liked it. However, the judge said "a downloaded song kept on the hard disk was viewed as a direct substitute for a purchased copy"! Theoretically, if someone was to send some other memember a copywritten sound file, would SS be the equivelent of Naspter etc? Simon Simon, my own view would be to the "napster" q no, think the key in this case is fact the pm system is just a general tool, could compare the pm system to online normal email and the such, now if it was a tool designed to do it then maybe a different story whole legal issue, is something that dug deep into in and plays a part in the revision of sound features mike
Guest Netspeaky Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 Simon, my own view would be to the "napster" q no, think the key in this case is fact the pm system is just a general tool, could compare the pm system to online normal email and the such, now if it was a tool designed to do it then maybe a different story whole legal issue, is something that dug deep into in and plays a part in the revision of sound features mikeI guess it will only be a problem with a current released item, some of the items for download are totally unknows to some of us.
Chalky Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 Simon, my own view would be to the "napster" q no, think the key in this case is fact the pm system is just a general tool, could compare the pm system to online normal email and the such, now if it was a tool designed to do it then maybe a different story whole legal issue, is something that dug deep into in and plays a part in the revision of sound features mike agree with the napster bit Mike as no central server and no software needed to download/upload...like you say comparable to e-mail. Maybe idea not to post anything that is on official release or if rarity in the case of Stevie Z's acetate?
Simon T Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 Simon, my own view would be to the "napster" q no, think the key in this case is fact the pm system is just a general tool, could compare the pm system to online normal email and the such, now if it was a tool designed to do it then maybe a different story whole legal issue, is something that dug deep into in and plays a part in the revision of sound features mike Hi Mike You're right, just didn't want to think you'd get done. Now that you can't download tracks and it's 'streaming', I think you've no problems. Must say, I think the set up is the dog's b's by the way!
Guest miff Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 If it wernt for sites like this and others most of the tunes would not be heard by any one its just lawers trying to make big bucks , How can anybody own the rights to a song, Its wrote recorded, and relaesed if it sells it makes money if it dosent the record co make a loss a hit cost the same as a miss, If i copy a record or CD and want to listern to it How am I robing any one the copy ive been copying has been paid for by someone at some point and the artist has got there royalites from that transaction if we take this to vinyl if i pay 200 quid for a used record should i then send some money to the artist who recorded it , NO If I walk down the street singing it is that an unlicesend public performance. The Lawers would say yes The worlds gone mad Mad I Say
Guest Netspeaky Posted January 9, 2006 Posted January 9, 2006 If it wernt for sites like this and others most of the tunes would not be heard by any one its just lawers trying to make big bucks , How can anybody own the rights to a song, Its wrote recorded, and relaesed if it sells it makes money if it dosent the record co make a loss a hit cost the same as a miss, If i copy a record or CD and want to listern to it How am I robing any one the copy ive been copying has been paid for by someone at some point and the artist has got there royalites from that transaction if we take this to vinyl if i pay 200 quid for a used record should i then send some money to the artist who recorded it , NO If I walk down the street singing it is that an unlicesend public performance. The Lawers would say yes The worlds gone mad Mad I Say You wouldn't believe the law and music, if you purchase a brand new CD, and play it to the Mrs, technically you could be breaking the law. If you happen to pass someone house and can hear them playing music then again technically the law is being broken, because you've heard some music that you haven't purchased and the person playing it hasn't paid for you to listen to it. The music laws are insane, the internet was supposed to break big corporate business, but governments like big corporates so they make laws to suit.
Dave Moore Posted January 10, 2006 Posted January 10, 2006 You wouldn't believe the law and music, if you purchase a brand new CD, and play it to the Mrs, technically you could be breaking the law. If you happen to pass someone house and can hear them playing music then again technically the law is being broken, because you've heard some music that you haven't purchased and the person playing it hasn't paid for you to listen to it. The music laws are insane, the internet was supposed to break big corporate business, but governments like big corporates so they make laws to suit. I agree here. My stand on "copyrighted music" has changed as I researched it to the nth degree when setting up The Hitsville website. My aim was was to remain faithful to the spirit of the artist and their product. It proved damn near impossible. It's a real quagmire. Talk to ten "professionals" and you get 10 different answers. For instance: If music is "played from a website" is it classed as "broadcasted"? WHOLE new messy ballgame opens up. If you are "promoting" music by making already released and then deleted tracks available for free are you categorised the same as someone who is selling downloads of Eminem? If the music you post on your site is no longer commercially available, is this the same as posting available music? If you have (as one site has) pre-recorded CDs actually served up on a server for anyone to download and then save/play at liesure are you actually damaging the genuinely produced CDs and jeopardising any future music from being produced by said CD company? THIS IS THE REAL TOUGHIE IN MY OPINION If you pay ascap/bmi fees for broadcasted music, are you eligible to play "recorded" music? The conclusion I came to is......I'm gonna do what I THINK is right and proper. There is NO definitive common sense answer. The licensing bodies just make it damn near impossible financially to produce any music related sites without bankrupting you. I pay the fees that I FEEL are relevant. I also contact the artists of music on the site if possible and the ones I've spoken to are happy for us to "promote" their songs that they thought had been long passed over. If it's good enough for them...it's good enough for me. It's obvious to a blind man on a galloping horse that sites like this promote the music, in a very positive way and I'm sure Mike, as a bloke with common sense will arrive at the conclusion that suits his, and therefore the sites, aspirations. Dave https://www.hitsvillesoulclub.com/
BrianB Posted January 10, 2006 Posted January 10, 2006 Spoke on line to NR over the weekend. He has the leagle eagles snooping round him over this very issue. I agree, there is no right answer, but the lawyers only see the £ signs, not the ethical and moral issues.
steve z Posted January 10, 2006 Posted January 10, 2006 agree with the napster bit Mike as no central server and no software needed to download/upload...like you say comparable to e-mail. Maybe idea not to post anything that is on official release or if rarity in the case of Stevie Z's acetate? Hi Chalky.Unfortunately some people,NOT necessarily on here will abuse the chance to copy/boot acetate a particular tune that they would like to own WITHOUT paying the going rate. Wane Harrel is a "snippet" of the tune so I'm ok with that.I am also the first person to want to hear something I do not know.......THEN I will try my best to obtain the record on original . I now only do "snippet" tapes( not moved into the 21st century yet).If someone sent me a "snippet" tape etc I would not be offended but totally understand why. Official releases,on CD etc I have bought for my personal use at home....Millionaires etc...I have a few originals that are on them......but cannot obtain/afford to own them all at the same time. I know there are legal issues........I am just a collector who believes in collecting in the way I do. Gonna ask a big name DJ to lend me their best 50 records so that I can acetate them to play out ATB Stevie
Larsc Posted January 10, 2006 Posted January 10, 2006 If the new section on site is ment to be primarily for sampling tunes before buying then maybe 90 sec. snippets could be the solution. That would prevent acetates and cds being made.
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