Price / Rarity Re The Cleggy Stompers Thread In Look At Your Box

[Soulman]

I put a post up in the Look At Your Box "Cleggy Stompers" thread mentioning the Gang Band "The Sound Of Boston" ex-Mike Theodore Life Orchestra "Nighttime Shadows" cover up. There's one reply at the moment suggesting it's an album track yet I have a 45. Is it scarce/rare even though it may not fit in with todays trend. Your input welcomed

Thanks in advance

Steve

Edited August 15, 2012 by soulman

[Godzilla]

If you're a massive fan of Wayne Wadhams' work you should check out some of the Fifth Estate's 1960s psych/garage/baroque-ish pop stuff, although if I'm honest I have a real soft spot for post Wadhams 'Time Tunnel' album.

I guess you might like their version of "It's Waiting There for You" as cut by Reparata and the Delrons. If I was a betting man, though, I'd wager you're not really interested in anything other than TSOB, right?

(edit to sort out out late night apostrophe error...)

Edited August 15, 2012 by Godzilla

[Soulman]

Having never heard the other stuff I can't say either way but I'll check it out. Thanks for the info

Steve

[Garethx]

Also bear in mind Wayne Wadham's other brush with Northern Soul immortality as writer of Carol & Gerri's "How Can I Ever Find A Way".

[Steve Thomas]

Pm`ed you some info on this old soul Sam cover up

[Soulman]

I've had a few replies, mostly PM's saying this is an album only track.... on that basis, how rare is this

[Simon T]

I put a post up in the Look At Your Box "Cleggy Stompers" thread mentioning the Gang Band "The Sound Of Boston" ex-Mike Theodore Life Orchestra "Nighttime Shadows" cover up. There's one reply at the moment suggesting it's an album track yet I have a 45. Is it scarce/rare even though it may not fit in with todays trend. Your input welcomed

Thanks in advance

Steve

I had a cassette with this on which just said 'Cleethorpes', it was around 1980. It was a right mish-mosh so it could have been from anywhere, it was being played by Searling. I suspect it was recorded in the late 70's as there were a few "Grapevine" releases in the spot too. Apart from yours, I have only seen the 7" listed once, but it was already sold when I rang about it; so there's at least 2?

[Soulman]

I had a cassette with this on which just said 'Cleethorpes', it was around 1980. It was a right mish-mosh so it could have been from anywhere, it was being played by Searling. I suspect it was recorded in the late 70's as there were a few "Grapevine" releases in the spot too. Apart from yours, I have only seen the 7" listed once, but it was already sold when I rang about it; so there's at least 2?

Cheers Simon,

So the cassette wasn't one that myself or Andy had done was it (although to be honest I don't remember putting the track on any of my tapes)? I refreshed Richards memory in a conversation the other day and he recalls having the 45 (sent him the scan) although he said he traded it with Sam late 70's. He too wasn't aware of another copy until I mentioned the one I have. I wonder what happened to the other as I don't think Sam has any recollection of it although I may ring him today to ask him.

Best

Steve H

[Simon T]

Cheers Simon,

So the cassette wasn't one that myself or Andy had done was it (although to be honest I don't remember putting the track on any of my tapes)? I refreshed Richards memory in a conversation the other day and he recalls having the 45 (sent him the scan) although he said he traded it with Sam late 70's. He too wasn't aware of another copy until I mentioned the one I have. I wonder what happened to the other as I don't think Sam has any recollection of it although I may ring him today to ask him.

Best

Steve H

This was a niter tape with Searling introducing it as ' night time shadows'

[Andy Rix]

I recall you buying it from the Bowl .. a blind buy as it was simply the fact it was called 'The Sound of Boston' that made you get it

I do recall we were all pretty bemused to see it was Richard's 'Nightime Shadows' cover-up

Andy

[Soulman]

I recall you buying it from the Bowl .. a blind buy as it was simply the fact it was called 'The Sound of Boston' that made you get it

I do recall we were all pretty bemused to see it was Richard's 'Nightime Shadows' cover-up

Andy

That was exactly it Andy. I presume even John didn't know what it was then? How strange

(BTW... not forgotten about the sleeves, was hoping to drop them off)

Best

Steve

[Soulman]

So the story goes after a chat with Soul Sam a couple of minutes ago:

Sam got what we know as "Night Time Shadows" from Richard in trades. Sam seems to think it was he who covered it up knowing that Richard S hadn't done much with the track (although Simon T's tape would suggest it was Richard that covered it up) and it was the kind of thing that Sam was using and collecting at the time. The first time he played it he had a lot of enquiries (although until a few minutes ago he couldn't remember the artists / title / label, only remebering the c/up details) and subsequently says he let it go for approaching the £400 price mark. Bearing in mind this was the latter end of the 70's that was a lot of money. He doesn't remember who it went to. As Andy said in a previous post, I bought my copy from John Anderson at Soul Bowl as a "blind buy" because of the title and it would stack up that John didn't know what it was as it was still a one off and covered up. So mine has sat in the box and never been played out... I guess you could call it Mint minus having been played on Andy's deck at home once to record it (as he did at the time) and mine likewise.

That strange world of Northern Soul turns full circle yet again.

Steve H

Edited August 19, 2012 by soulman

[Simon T]

So the story goes after a chat with Soul Sam a couple of minutes ago:

Sam got what we know as "Night Time Shadows" from Richard in trades. Sam seems to think it was he who covered it up knowing that Richard S hadn't done much with the track (although Simon T's tape would suggest it was Richard that covered it up) and it was the kind of thing that Sam was using and collecting at the time. The first time he played it he had a lot of enquiries (although until a few minutes ago he couldn't remember the artists / title / label, only remebering the c/up details) and subsequently says he let it go for approaching the £400 price mark. Bearing in mind this was the latter end of the 70's that was a lot of money. He doesn't remember who it went to. As Andy said in a previous post, I bought my copy from John Anderson at Soul Bowl as a "blind buy" because of the title and it would stack up that John didn't know what it was as it was still a one off and covered up. So mine has sat in the box and never been played out... I guess you could call it Mint minus having been played on Andy's deck at home once to record it (as he did at the time) and mine likewise.

That strange world of Northern Soul turns full circle yet again.

Steve H

I've found the tape, it is from Cleethorpes Winter Gardens. Searling is on it, but it's Sam playing TSOB as MTO -

N T S, preceded by Z Z & Co covered up as Oscar Perry

Edited August 19, 2012 by simon t

[Soulman]

Hi Simon

Can you date it in any way? Sam did Winter Gardens as a regular before he became a regular at Wigan. He only joined the Casino crew towards the latter days as you know, when he was on his Modern front. Richard had joined it at this point but was still championing his 60's sounds although it was the time where such as ZZ & Co and Ike Strong were entering the scene. It was also the time where, for those not within the scene at the time, Richard was at the verge of leaving the Casino because of the music policy and his beliefs, and Sam was buying everything post Northern a la sixties sound. Sam started playing things such as Mel Carter "No Work, No Play" and Coffee "Casanova" whereas Richard was still much behind Mr Soul, Martells etc etc but was movin into the Modern sound. Oh how I wish we had dated / catalogued everything back then, rather tha just recording them just to play in the car when we were going to the next venue. That damn Rix was the the only one who had a glimpse of the future.... Sorry Andy, your'e a star.

Best

Steve

[Simon T]

Hi Simon

Can you date it in any way?

It's the 'rebirth' of the dayers at the winter gardens, they're going fortnightly from then on. It's Roger Bank's birthday.

A

'DON PARKER' - PACKING UP

DON GARDNER - CHEATING

LOVE COMMITTEE - IMAM REMIX

EH - HURT

'DONI BURDICK' - CLOUDS

NOMADS

'FUNKY FANTOM JANITOR '

'HERMAN HITSON' - LSTMF

BLUE SHARKS - TTWKMLYD

'OSCAR PERRY' - GETDOWN

MTO - NTS

EMONONS - BIRD WAKING

MEL BRIT

ALFIE DAVISON - 12"

VELVET HAMMER

GREATER EXPERIENCE

DON RAY - BORN A LOSER

'JOE MATHEWS' - IDLTL

THE NICKY NEWALKERS

BILLY KENNEDY - HANDWRITTING'S ON THE WALL

LINDA GLASS - BEFORE BEATS ME GOING

BETTY BOO - SIIS

B

'VICKY BAINES' TONI BASIL

DETERMINATIONS

LONNIE RUSS

forget - other version of I DIG YOUR ACT

LUCKY CHARMS

EH - HURT

CAUTIONS - NO OTHER WAY

'DON PARKER' again

FRANK FOSTER - HARLEM TRAIN

MAGNETICS - L I G

YUM YUMS - BT

FRANKIE CROCKER

BOBBY BLAND - SHOES

ROY HAMILTON - CUOY

GARNETT MIMMS

Edited August 19, 2012 by simon t

[Simon T]

It's the 'rebirth' of the dayers at the winter gardens, they're going fortnightly from then on. It's Roger Bank's birthday.

A

'DON PARKER' - PACKING UP

DON GARDNER - CHEATING

LOVE COMMITTEE - IMAM REMIX

EH - HURT

'DONI BURDICK' - CLOUDS

NOMADS

'FUNKY FANTOM JANITOR '

'HERMAN HITSON' - LSTMF

BLUE SHARKS - TTWKMLYD

'OSCAR PERRY' - GETDOWN

MTO - NTS

EMONONS - BIRD WAKING

MEL BRIT

ALFIE DAVISON - 12"

VELVET HAMMER

GREATER EXPERIENCE

DON RAY - BORN A LOSER

'JOE MATHEWS' - IDLTL

THE NICKY NEWALKERS

BILLY KENNEDY - HANDWRITTING'S ON THE WALL

LINDA GLASS - BEFORE BEATS ME GOING

BETTY BOO - SIIS

B

'VICKY BAINES' TONI BASIL

DETERMINATIONS

LONNIE RUSS

forget - other version of I DIG YOUR ACT

LUCKY CHARMS

EH - HURT

CAUTIONS - NO OTHER WAY

'DON PARKER' again

FRANK FOSTER - HARLEM TRAIN

MAGNETICS - L I G

YUM YUMS - BT

FRANKIE CROCKER

BOBBY BLAND - SHOES

ROY HAMILTON - CUOY

GARNETT MIMMS

if you were to ask me to guess at who the DJ's were I'd say

Searling

Sam

Nev Wherry

Arthur Fenn

If it was Nev, then it would be pre september 1979

If is was Arthur, who is on SS, he may be able to give you a date

[Soulman]

That's got to be about 78 surely but to be honest I don't remember roger from back then. Do you? I'm not saying he wasn't about. Just don't think he was the force he is now.

Steve

[Simon T]

That's got to be about 78 surely but to be honest I don't remember roger from back then. Do you? I'm not saying he wasn't about. Just don't think he was the force he is now.

Steve

Roger wasn't a DJ, but was there and it was his birthday

[Peter99]

Roger wasn't a DJ, but was there and it was his birthday

Interesting thread. I reckon it was after 1978 - only maybe by a year. Could be wrong though - it was a long time ago.

Just checked it out on Youtube - remember it well.

Edited August 29, 2012 by Peter99

[Soulman]

Interesting thread. I reckon it was after 1978 - only maybe by a year. Could be wrong though - it was a long time ago.

Just checked it out on Youtube - remember it well.

Hi Pete,

Definitely a strange one this as you say, stranger for me as I have the 45 and bought it not knowing what it was. It seems as though there are many folk out there who remember it as the cover up and yet barely anyone I have spoken to knew what the real title was. There is just the one listing on YouTube as far as I can see. Does anyone know how to identify the person that added the track as they may be the only other person to have the 45 by all accounts (unless of course it was taken from the album which I still havent seen). Would really be interested to find out as much detail about this stange but seemingly obscure track... just for nostalgia's sake as it were.

Best

Steve

[Peter99]

Hi Pete,

Definitely a strange one this as you say, stranger for me as I have the 45 and bought it not knowing what it was. It seems as though there are many folk out there who remember it as the cover up and yet barely anyone I have spoken to knew what the real title was. There is just the one listing on YouTube as far as I can see. Does anyone know how to identify the person that added the track as they may be the only other person to have the 45 by all accounts (unless of course it was taken from the album which I still havent seen). Would really be interested to find out as much detail about this stange but seemingly obscure track... just for nostalgia's sake as it were.

Best

Steve

Hi Steve

I wouldn't have remembered the track by name - real name or cover up. In fact I had to edit my post yesterday as I had originally asked for a sound clip and then found that single post on You Tube. I'm pretty certain that I only heard this at Cleethorpes (all dayers) and haven't heard it since. I think it was Sam who would have purchased it from Richard by that time. By all accounts it's a toughy and looks like your copy is in nice nick.

Coincidentally, I started a thread about old memories the other night - mentioned the soul nites I used to run at the Eagle Hotel at Mablethorpe. Do you remember guesting for us on a few occasions?

I hope you're keeping well. Good to hear from you buddy.

Peter

[Soulman]

Hi Steve

I wouldn't have remembered the track by name - real name or cover up. In fact I had to edit my post yesterday as I had originally asked for a sound clip and then found that single post on You Tube. I'm pretty certain that I only heard this at Cleethorpes (all dayers) and haven't heard it since. I think it was Sam who would have purchased it from Richard by that time. By all accounts it's a toughy and looks like your copy is in nice nick.

Coincidentally, I started a thread about old memories the other night - mentioned the soul nites I used to run at the Eagle Hotel at Mablethorpe. Do you remember guesting for us on a few occasions?

I hope you're keeping well. Good to hear from you buddy.

Peter

Good God! I'd forgotten all about those nights. Such a long time ago. Memories have faded but I certainly remember going over to Mablethorpe a few times. Not a great deal of locals into the scene but those that were certainly had enthusiasm and became good friends at the likes of the Cleethorpes do's etc.

As far as the 45 goes, it has honestly been on the decks no more than twice. When I got it, I kinda recoginsed it and it wasn't until Andy (Rix) reminded me what it was that everything fell into place. He taped it, as he did all my new acquisitions and I taped it. I really don't recall ever playing it out as by the time I got it, Sam had taken it off his playlist and with no one else having a copy it seemed to lose its impetus.

Let's speak again

Best

Steve

[Soulman]

For whoever wanted to know, (sorry didn't take name) the B side is the "Disco Version"

Best

Steve