Guest taffy Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Noticed recently a lot of people selling or splitting their collections.Wonder if they are cashing in on the silly prices some tunes are fetching on auction sites or skint after xmas or worse giving up the scene? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest NASHEE Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Noticed recently a lot of people selling or splitting their collections.Wonder if they are cashing in on the silly prices some tunes are fetching on auction sites or skint after xmas or worse giving up the scene? I cant answer for others....but I have to sell to buy... sad but true Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulsmith Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Not an expert here, but I don't think the majority of tunes go for silly money. I put 4 up on e-bay recently & none of them made book price. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest hammy Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Not an expert here, but I don't think the majority of tunes go for silly money. I put 4 up on e-bay recently & none of them made book price. Had a few chats with mates about this. Came to the conclusion that eBay is the fairest reflection of what a record is worth at the moment that it's sold. Books and guides - very much a ballpark figure in my view. I reckon that since the guides came out there's a far smaller 'turnover' of records on the market, ie less buying, selling and trading, lower volume of transactions etc etc due to the fact that sellers now sit on records waiting to achieve the book price. Book prices are based on comparative rarity - not market demand IMHO. Hammy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 I hae to disagree to a certain extent with e-bay as there is no continuity with prices. You can put one record up and it woun't get a bid or litle demand. Someone else can put same recorsd up and price will go crazy. For example Ruby Andrews sold various times over the last 18 months on e-bay for between $100 and $405 Doug Banks another, put one up not a bid. Following week one went up and went for over £100. Looking at it's history in recent times price has varied between $78 and $276 I still use the lists and boxes at venues for the real indication of a value, and the dealers I trust Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest espo Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 E bay is definately a buyers market----Apart from the odd ones that go for silly money seems to me that most records go for a fair bit less than book price or even what youd pay from a seller at a nighter/soul night. Theres some real quality that dont even get bids----Also a lot depends on what time of the month you buy and sell----obviousley at the end of the month people get paid ,so there are more bidders with more cash. The middle fortnight is when i seem to pick up more of a bargain-----IMO Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 I hae to disagree to a certain extent with e-bay as there is no continuity with prices. You can put one record up and it woun't get a bid or litle demand. Someone else can put same recorsd up and price will go crazy. For example Ruby Andrews sold various times over the last 18 months on e-bay for between $100 and $405 Doug Banks another, put one up not a bid. Following week one went up and went for over £100. Looking at it's history in recent times price has varied between $78 and $276 I still use the lists and boxes at venues for the real indication of a value, and the dealers I trust I still use the lists and boxes at venues for the real indication of a value, and the dealers I trust Dont buy many records then Chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 I'm having to flog some off out of necessity. I'm not doing it to 'cash in' Just to clear the warrants for my arrest and stop Knuckles & Moose coming round to my house with Baseball Bats with nails through the end In all seriousness though, once I've paid a few cards off, I'll be much better off financially. I'll take stock of what I've got left and decide where to go from there. That's aboot it, really Jamie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 I still use the lists and boxes at venues for the real indication of a value, and the dealers I trust Dont buy many records then Chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest taffy Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 E bay is definately a buyers market----Apart from the odd ones that go for silly money seems to me that most records go for a fair bit less than book price or even what youd pay from a seller at a nighter/soul night. Theres some real quality that dont even get bids----Also a lot depends on what time of the month you buy and sell----obviousley at the end of the month people get paid ,so there are more bidders with more cash. The middle fortnight is when i seem to pick up more of a bargain-----IMO but aren't the book prices too high to start with? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 but aren't the book prices too high to start with? Trouble is that those who are selling and aren't clued up on the prices use the books to price accordingly. Infact I would go as far as to say that many who are clued up also use the guides when pricing, even if it's only to double check their own price. Even e-bay sellers quote John's book price in an effort to sell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest espo Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 but aren't the book prices too high to start with? Who can say----at the end of the day a record is only worth what youre willing to pay for it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 We've been selling bits 'n pieces on ebay from the collection simply because our tastes have changed. Many have been sat in the box for over 20 years and NEVER get played. Some have gone for pennies, and others have absolutely gone crazy... way past book price! Not banked any of the money we've made though - just bought more records. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest taffy Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Trouble is that those who are selling and aren't clued up on the prices use the books to price accordingly. Infact I would go as far as to say that many who are clued up also use the guides when pricing, even if it's only to double check their own price. Even e-bay sellers quote John's book price in an effort to sell. Agree chalky but wasn't collecting much more fun before the books? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Buying records to me is a long learning curve, i remember buying stuff in the early 80's at events, only later to realise a few were boots, but once that mistake has been made then you become more aware. Always enjoyed going to record fairs etc, especially looking through some Heavy Rock guys small Soul section, always recall getting the Fascinations on Stateside for about the price of a vending machine Horlicks . Going over to the States has also been an enjoyable experience, especially dragging my non soul fan wife way across Chicago into some god forsaken areas . Still get as much fun going into local 2nd hand vinyl shops today, don't think the habit will ever leave me or many others. Always think it is a shame when someone has to sell their collection, i am genuinely hurt for Jamie, but he has made a decision and the one that is right for him. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 (edited) Agree chalky but wasn't collecting much more fun before the books? totally, even before e-bay, well before everyone cottoned on Collecting is far to easy now. You don't have to leave your arm chair :angry: No one looks for the bargains, underplayed, forgotten, unkonwns or semi knowns, they just ask on here for cheap recomendations most auctions now have sound clips...everything is catered for Edited January 7, 2006 by chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest taffy Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 totally, even before e-bay, well before everyone cottoned on Collecting is far to easy now. You don't have to leave your arm chair :angry: No one looks for the bargains, underplayed, forgotten, unkonwns or semi knowns, they just ask on here for cheap recomendations most auctions now have sound clips...everything is catered for never a truer word spoken mate Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Wiganer1 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Noticed recently a lot of people selling or splitting their collections.Wonder if they are cashing in on the silly prices some tunes are fetching on auction sites or skint after xmas or worse giving up the scene? ========= i considered seriously towards the end of last year in selling up and putting the ££'s to a mortgage on a bigger house,thankfully it wasnt a long thought 05 was a really shit year for me scene wise but i couldnt do it,ever never ever..26 years is too long in loving this music to ever sell my collection that ive taken a lifetime to collect... i admire those that can walk away but i know id spend a lifetime regretting it ,,i just know i would Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 ========= i considered seriously towards the end of last year in selling up and putting the ££'s to a mortgage on a bigger house,thankfully it wasnt a long thought 05 was a really shit year for me scene wise but i couldnt do it,ever never ever..26 years is too long in loving this music to ever sell my collection that ive taken a lifetime to collect... i admire those that can walk away but i know id spend a lifetime regretting it ,,i just know i would Cant take them with you Mark Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 i admire those that can walk away but i know id spend a lifetime regretting it ,,i just know i would Some people are forced by financial pressures into selling. I'm glad you can make a romantic statement about how much you'd regret it, but the realities for me was losing my house. You think I haven't tried all avenues? Hell, I even thought about selling my ass! (And I still wonder which is most painful ) I needed money quickly, and without resorting to criminal acts, this was my only option. And I still get to live in my house Jamie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Baz Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 totally, even before e-bay, well before everyone cottoned on,Collecting is far to easy now. You don't have to leave your arm chair :angry: No one looks for the bargains, underplayed, forgotten, unkonwns or semi knowns, they just ask on here for cheap recomendations most auctions now have sound clips...everything is catered for By far the best way for me I travel the lenght of the country every weekend, but yet to hear alot of quality underplayed/cheapie's out! so where would one go to hear such cuts? So sites such as manships and Bradys are a useful tool, I dont have twenty years of experiance in collecting and looking through boxes, talking in the record room ect....so its a way to build up my collection, surley passing on recomendations on hear is just the same as passing them on in a record room? rather than spending half the night in the record room. I would rather be in the main room, i do have a flick through every now and then though Baz (an armchair collector with no shame) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 By far the best way for me I travel the lenght of the country every weekend, but yet to hear alot of quality underplayed/cheapie's out! so where would one go to hear such cuts? So sites such as manships and Bradys are a useful tool, I dont have twenty years of experiance in collecting and looking through boxes, talking in the record room ect....so its a way to build up my collection, surley passing on recomendations on hear is just the same as passing them on in a record room? rather than spending half the night in the record room. I would rather be in the main room, i do have a flick through every now and then though Baz (an armchair collector with no shame) I agree Baz, just because we're not over 40! I think using all the soundfiles that are available is a great tool for finding underplayed stuff at a reasonable price. It's not our fault we don't have to feign interest while talking to some crank all hepped up on goof balls in a seedy backroom at an all-nighter sifting through his sales box More power to the PC I say!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dayo Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 My advice: don't sell unless you absolutely have to. I sold my British collection in 1981 and it's one of the biggest mistakes I ever made. I long to get those records back, but unless I win the lottery I'll never afford them again. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 totally, even before e-bay, well before everyone cottoned on Collecting is far to easy now. You don't have to leave your arm chair :angry: No one looks for the bargains, underplayed, forgotten, unkonwns or semi knowns, they just ask on here for cheap recomendations most auctions now have sound clips...everything is catered for partly true. however, it may be easier to find what you are looking for but it will cost you loads more than 'back in the day'. i blame all you returnees with small mortgages and kids that support themselves. Shane Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest James Trouble Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 (edited) I hae to disagree to a certain extent with e-bay as there is no continuity with prices. You can put one record up and it woun't get a bid or litle demand. Someone else can put same recorsd up and price will go crazy. For example Ruby Andrews sold various times over the last 18 months on e-bay for between $100 and $405 Doug Banks another, put one up not a bid. Following week one went up and went for over £100. Looking at it's history in recent times price has varied between $78 and $276 I still use the lists and boxes at venues for the real indication of a value, and the dealers I trust Chalky, prices swing around all over the place in all kinds of commodities. For example, petrol prices or even stocks and shares. Just because Barclays shares have traded at anything from say 580 to 680 doesn't mean that todays price of 627 is wrong just because it hasn't traded at that price constantly for years on end. They even pay roughly the same dividend that they did a year ago, but that doesn't mean their price doe'snt change every minute of the day. There are obvious comparisons that can be drawn between records and shares. Records pay dividends, maybe in the form of full dance floors, or 'kudos' from owning it, or maybe just the enjoyment you get from playing it yourself. That is unlikely to change much over time. However, external demand and supply swing around and directly effect the price. If a dealer has a record in their box at a fixed price they are waiting for a 'bid' to hit their offer. Just because they offer a record at a set price it does not mean that there are any bids in the market to hit it. Ebay is the best indication of price at that moment in time as it has the most number of people on there selling and buying. It is the truest indication of market demand and supply. Edited January 9, 2006 by James Trouble Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ged Parker Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Chalky, prices swing around all over the place in all kinds of commodities. For example, petrol prices or even stocks and shares. Just because Barclays shares have traded at anything from say 580 to 680 doesn't mean that todays price of 627 is wrong just because it hasn't traded at that price constantly for years on end. They even pay roughly the same dividend that they did a year ago, but that doesn't mean their price doe'snt change every minute of the day. There are obvious comparisons that can be drawn between records and shares. Records pay dividends, maybe in the form of full dance floors, or 'kudos' from owning it, or maybe just the enjoyment you get from playing it yourself. That is unlikely to change much over time. However, external demand and supply swing around and directly effect the price. If a dealer has a record in their box at a fixed price they are waiting for a 'bid' to hit their offer. Just because they offer a record at a set price it does not mean that there are any bids in the market to hit it. Ebay is the best indication of price at that moment in time as it has the most number of people on there selling and buying. It is the truest indication of market demand and supply. All very true James unless of course it's Ree Flores which is always £1000 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest James Trouble Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 All very true James unless of course it's Ree Flores which is always £1000 Touche! Although I was saying that there are £1000 bids in the market for Ree Flores. Offer it for less than £1000 and see what happens... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest rachel Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 (edited) By far the best way for me I travel the lenght of the country every weekend, but yet to hear alot of quality underplayed/cheapie's out! so where would one go to hear such cuts? So sites such as manships and Bradys are a useful tool, I dont have twenty years of experiance in collecting and looking through boxes, talking in the record room ect....so its a way to build up my collection, surley passing on recomendations on hear is just the same as passing them on in a record room? rather than spending half the night in the record room. I would rather be in the main room, i do have a flick through every now and then though Baz (an armchair collector with no shame) Hmmmmm... kind of torn between two views here. It would obviously be daft to ignore the valuable resource of the internet (it must be frustrating though for everyone who had to build their collections the old fashioned, 'hard' way - I'm sure it doesn't seem fair!), and I must admit to not having a lot of time for record rooms when I'm out, prefer to hear the music 'in action' out loud rather than on a portable player in a backroom! On the other hand, it is easy to get lazy - just read the 'cheapies' thread on here and you have an instant 50 or so decent tunes which are probably fairly easy to get hold of . Double-edged sword really - forums are a great way of sharing and getting to know tunes but it can be tempting to pick up everything that gets a bit of attention and we could so easily all end up playing the same things. It actually sometimes puts me off buying a tune if I've seen it on more than a few playlists!! Takes a bit more effort (including the internet, tapes from people, mates playing you tunes) to find different things... (I really hope this doesn't sound pretentious, it isn't meant to be, been guilty of the laziness myself... I'm sure we all have.. just something I've been thinking about recently ) Records pay dividends, maybe in the form of full dance floors, or 'kudos' from owning it, or maybe just the enjoyment you get from playing it yourself. This made me quite No doubt there are people who buy records for the kudos of having something rare... or the ego boost of a full dancefloor... but surely the 'dividends' should be in the enjoyment of hearing and sharing the tune...? Anyway, I don't own an armchair Edited January 9, 2006 by rachel Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest in town Mikey Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 (edited) I'm in the siuation where I have to sell to pay my endless, endless, endless supply of bills every month. Despite not having a record player, and not having had one for over 15 years, I still would rather have the record iin my box, than the money, which immediately goes on stuff like Mortgage, Electricity etc. An example is Ty Karim I paid a tenner and sold it for £550. Was I happy? Absolutley not. And the money disappeared in treble quick time. Do I wish I still had the record? Absolutely! Even if the prices of today doubled I would still only sell the bare minimum, and only when I absolutely had no other choice. Talking of which anyone want to make an offer on Gary Soul - Holding on? ps I meant to say. When deciding on which record to sell its never, which one I can make the most on, its which one would I mind selling the least. Edited January 9, 2006 by in town Mikey Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Baz Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Hmmmmm... kind of torn between two views here. It would obviously be daft to ignore the valuable resource of the internet (it must be frustrating though for everyone who had to build their collections the old fashioned, 'hard' way - I'm sure it doesn't seem fair!), and I must admit to not having a lot of time for record rooms when I'm out, prefer to hear the music 'in action' out loud rather than on a portable player in a backroom! On the other hand, it is easy to get lazy - just read the 'cheapies' thread on here and you have an instant 50 or so decent tunes which are probably fairly easy to get hold of . Double-edged sword really - forums are a great way of sharing and getting to know tunes but it can be tempting to pick up everything that gets a bit of attention and we could so easily all end up playing the same things. It actually sometimes puts me off buying a tune if I've seen it on more than a few playlists!! Takes a bit more effort (including the internet, tapes from people, mates playing you tunes) to find different things... (I really hope this doesn't sound pretentious, it isn't meant to be, been guilty of the laziness myself... I'm sure we all have.. just something I've been thinking about recently ) Just a few points that have been raised, this is how i look at them I do agree Rach, most of my records bought i have been from going round peoples houses tapes ect.....considering i have a collection of in excess of 400 tunes and only a feedback rating on ebay of 94 give or take 10 or so for people not leaving feedback its only a small slice of my collection! There is so much talk on this website of northern being stuck in a time warp people wanting to move the music on with underplayed tunes which reffered to as 'upfront' then why is it so bad of using upfront methods of collecting Also with the refferance to the cheapies threads, I started that up as a bit of fun, something every one can get involved in, reading through the thread there is proberly one or two records i would actually try to find from there. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, i crave knowllage of something i love each day be it what ever way! and if most of the time im wrong/lazy/easy well im guilty. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jasonion Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, i crave knowllage of something i love each day be it what ever way! and if most of the time im wrong/lazy/easy well im guilty. Well said Baz. The biggest plus about e-bay for me is that now i don't have to waste half my night humouring some tedious fcukwit on the halfchance that he might finally decide to sell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Geordiejohnson Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 (edited) Some people are forced by financial pressures into selling. I'm glad you can make a romantic statement about how much you'd regret it, but the realities for me was losing my house. You think I haven't tried all avenues? Hell, I even thought about selling my ass! (And I still wonder which is most painful ) I needed money quickly, and without resorting to criminal acts, this was my only option. And I still get to live in my house Jamie Couldnt agree more Jamie I got made redundant in 2004 and spent 2005 setting up a new business and financially things got tough and to some extent still are and no matter how much i will regret it, i will and have sold vinyl to keep my roof over my kids head ....thats life...its only pieces of plastic after all they can be bought again if required Geeoooordie Edited January 9, 2006 by geordiejohnson Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I agree Baz, just because we're not over 40! I think using all the soundfiles that are available is a great tool for finding underplayed stuff at a reasonable price. It's not our fault we don't have to feign interest while talking to some crank all hepped up on goof balls in a seedy backroom at an all-nighter sifting through his sales box More power to the PC I say!!! whats age got to do with it How do you think we went on years ago, before soundfiles and PC took over, befoer e-bay was a twinkle in it's creatorsd eyes, how do you think we sought out unknowns and quality cheapies? Same with the information? it's given to you on a plate, we had to work to get the knowledge and the experience, make plenty of mistakes on the way but it was all part of the fun......just too easy now and too many people who just take and give nothing back Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 partly true. however, it may be easier to find what you are looking for but it will cost you loads more than 'back in the day'. i blame all you returnees with small mortgages and kids that support themselves. Shane not always the case, I was payuing £150 for records back in the late 80's early 90's, today they are a fraction of the price cause they have "turned up". Mnay of them haven't been played since those days either on the mainstream northern scene so they would be cheap semi knowns to many a new or relative newcomer. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I needed money quickly, and without resorting to criminal acts, this was my only option. And I still get to live in my house Jamie I would do the same in your situation Jamie. After all only bits of plastic ands can always buy again when the situation allows Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest taffy Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 whats age got to do with it How do you think we went on years ago, before soundfiles and PC took over, befoer e-bay was a twinkle in it's creatorsd eyes, how do you think we sought out unknowns and quality cheapies? Same with the information? it's given to you on a plate, we had to work to get the knowledge and the experience, make plenty of mistakes on the way but it was all part of the fun......just too easy now and too many people who just take and give nothing back Exactly, we used to get down the junk markets 5 in the morning looking for tunes in all weather, trips to the states,searching junk shops,record fairs etc etc.ask mick smith, ady, clarkie,pete widd and countless others how they got there collections,and do you think jon anderson buys is tunes off e-bay? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Baz Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Exactly, we used to get down the junk markets 5 in the morning looking for tunes in all weather, trips to the states,searching junk shops,record fairs etc etc.ask mick smith, ady, clarkie,pete widd and countless others how they got there collections,and do you think jon anderson buys is tunes off e-bay? There isn't the chances of turning much up these days at junk shops, car boots and record fairs i used to go Leciester every saturday to boogaloo records now sadely closed used to pick up great stuff there for decent prices, sadley these kind of shops are few and very far between nowadays so there isn't much point in doing it. you might be able to pick up the odd British thing some of the places but thats some thing that doesn't intrest me in the slightest As for going to America! yeah i might be able to get there for a holiday every now and then in my life (which is not enough to supply my demands for USA vinyl) but running a bussiness and other comitments makes it very hard to save a bit of cash up for a busmans holiday to the states twice a year or what ever. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 There isn't the chances of turning much up these days at junk shops, car boots and record fairs i used to go Leciester every saturday to boogaloo records now sadely closed used to pick up great stuff there for decent prices, sadley these kind of shops are few and very far between nowadays so there isn't much point in doing it. you might be able to pick up the odd British thing some of the places but thats some thing that doesn't intrest me in the slightest As for going to America! yeah i might be able to get there for a holiday every now and then in my life (which is not enough to supply my demands for USA vinyl) but running a bussiness and other comitments makes it very hard to save a bit of cash up for a busmans holiday to the states twice a year or what ever. Very true Baz, a lot of local record shops here are closing down or thinking about going online sales only which is a pity as i know of at least one local dealer who has hundreds of boxes that he bought in the 70/80/90's and only sorts when he needs to replenish his stock, you can pick up some crackers if you go at the right time and he always prices them extremely fairly. I think he is realising he can make more money online Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest taffy Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 There isn't the chances of turning much up these days at junk shops, car boots and record fairs i used to go Leciester every saturday to boogaloo records now sadely closed used to pick up great stuff there for decent prices, sadley these kind of shops are few and very far between nowadays so there isn't much point in doing it. you might be able to pick up the odd British thing some of the places but thats some thing that doesn't intrest me in the slightest As for going to America! yeah i might be able to get there for a holiday every now and then in my life (which is not enough to supply my demands for USA vinyl) but running a bussiness and other comitments makes it very hard to save a bit of cash up for a busmans holiday to the states twice a year or what ever. Fair comment baz just stating that it's so much easier today.I Buy off e-bay myself, but a record dropping on the doormat is never as exciting as going out to look for them,and you can still find stuff out there.Last year at a record fair with mick smith we found a Timmie Williams for £8 and a uk Frankie and Johnny for £16. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Baz Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Fair comment baz just stating that it's so much easier today.I Buy off e-bay myself, but a record dropping on the doormat is never as exciting as going out to look for them,and you can still find stuff out there.Last year at a record fair with mick smith we found a Timmie Williams for £8 and a uk Frankie and Johnny for £16. It is easyer but it fits my lifstyle, cant go to car boots usually only getting home from a Sat on a Sunday when when the boots are finnishing, if i havent been out on the friday night or i have nothing specific planned im at work on the Saturday day so searching out records on the net at home at night, works for me. plus i get what i want a hell of a lot cheaper I still put in hard work to find the tunes its just 75% done at home,some people work from home! doesn't mean they still dont work hard P.s you gonna let me have that Timmy Williams for £16 then...... its still 100% profit on it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Chalky, prices swing around all over the place in all kinds of commodities. For example, petrol prices or even stocks and shares. Just because Barclays shares have traded at anything from say 580 to 680 doesn't mean that todays price of 627 is wrong just because it hasn't traded at that price constantly for years on end. They even pay roughly the same dividend that they did a year ago, but that doesn't mean their price doe'snt change every minute of the day. There are obvious comparisons that can be drawn between records and shares. Records pay dividends, maybe in the form of full dance floors, or 'kudos' from owning it, or maybe just the enjoyment you get from playing it yourself. That is unlikely to change much over time. However, external demand and supply swing around and directly effect the price. If a dealer has a record in their box at a fixed price they are waiting for a 'bid' to hit their offer. Just because they offer a record at a set price it does not mean that there are any bids in the market to hit it. Ebay is the best indication of price at that moment in time as it has the most number of people on there selling and buying. It is the truest indication of market demand and supply. I have to disagree..again E-bay the prices are either a bargain or cheap...either because the majority don't know it or it isn't indemand or the price is inflated due to people with more money than sense and or knowledge chasing "trophy" records or indemanders You can get 10 lists from dealers via e-mail, post or on their web sites etc and prices for most records will be roughly the same. Put it on e-bay and it won't be anywhere near. Put it this way I've seen records worth a 3 figure sum go either unsold or for a pittance simply because of the reasons I stated...doesn't mean I'm going to give it away if I put it in a box and take it to a nighter. Same can be said for Ruby Andrews as well, I wouldn't put that in a box with £200 or whatever on it cause no one in their right minds is going to buy it from a box at thyat price..they would look up and laugh at you . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 whats age got to do with it How do you think we went on years ago, before soundfiles and PC took over, befoer e-bay was a twinkle in it's creatorsd eyes, how do you think we sought out unknowns and quality cheapies? Same with the information? it's given to you on a plate, we had to work to get the knowledge and the experience, make plenty of mistakes on the way but it was all part of the fun......just too easy now and too many people who just take and give nothing back You we're lucky, Son. We used get up fer work half an hour before we went to bed....etc Chalks, matey, we can't turn back the clocks. This is now. Yeah I accept it's easy to track stuff down; but that isn't our fault. Though I do understand your resentment, I suspect I would feel very much the same. Jamie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 You we're lucky, Son. We used get up fer work half an hour before we went to bed....etc Chalks, matey, we can't turn back the clocks. This is now. Yeah I accept it's easy to track stuff down; but that isn't our fault. Though I do understand your resentment, I suspect I would feel very much the same. Jamie No resentment Jamie, if there was I wouldn't be on here sharing any knowledge and soundfiles I do have. Just stating how easy todays lot have it compared to days gone by Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mace Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Just stating how easy todays lot have it compared to days gone by Would them be the days when the U.S. dealers hadn't got a clue what the records were worth and you could pick the rare beauties up for less than the price of bottle of Bud?? I've collected for 20 years+, and though I still trawl through boxes at venues and lists and sales tapes / CDs, I use ebay more than any other source cus you can fit it in to your lifestyle as and when it suits. I also find a lot of the old school record dealers resent ebay because it has opened up the sources of such gems to the whole world, so they no longer have such exclusivity on acquiring the records as they once had. Their loss is our gain in that aspect, but ebay, combined with the various price guides that have sussed up 90% of U.S. dealers, have pushed prices up on the more indemand items. The dealers have, on the whole followed suit with their prices, and most have been quite happy to do so (how many times do you hear 'that fetched a lot more than that on ebay last month' or 'it's that price in Manships') Can't have your cake and eat it unfortunately......................... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Baz Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I also find a lot of the old school record dealers resent ebay because it has opened up the sources of such gems to the whole world, so they no longer have such exclusivity on acquiring the records as they once had. Spot on Tend to use dealers as less as i can, used to be really difficult when i started out collecting, some were very unfriendly and would not give you the time of day, one wouldn't even talk to me till i 'proved myself' Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 one wouldn't even talk to me till i 'proved myself' Baz mate, do you realise just how you proved yourself could be interpreted by the last bit of your post Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Baz Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Baz mate, do you realise just how you proved yourself could be interpreted by the last bit of your post Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mace Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Baz mate, do you realise just how you proved yourself could be interpreted by the last bit of your post One way to get a discount..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 One way to get a discount..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest j-g Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I'm in the siuation where I have to sell to pay my endless, endless, endless supply of bills every month. Despite not having a record player, and not having had one for over 15 years, I still would rather have the record iin my box, than the money, which immediately goes on stuff like Mortgage, Electricity etc. You haven't had a record player for 15 years? That's like collecting art if you're a blind man. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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