Mick Sway Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 Obviously nothing compares to Frank Wilson in respect of Scarcity and Valuation, however what comes after that? I was wondering whether this is worth some reflection, particularly since some items which may be considered "played out" and were relatively common in 70's and 80's are still in demand and commanding high prices. e.g. Frances Nero, always a great tune but wasn't difficult years ago : https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=Frances+Nero&thumbs=&currsel=&sortord=&x=13&y=10 I'm thinking here of original US Northern/Crossover type releases only, not those records rare due to dint of matrix number or as MJ or Diana related collectables. For example : Kim Weston's withdrawn 1964 beautiful Tamla release "A Little More Love" TM54106, commands a very high price but has little to commend it from a Northern Soul point of view. Is there anything worth investing our hard earned in?
Petedillon Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 You mention Frances Nero being not that difficult to find years ago..I agree, I was only speaking about this the other week..I can remember it being a fairly regular 45 to see in various import shops in early 70's. Mind you how many others that are now scarce were like that?
Mick Holdsworth Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 I suppose up there in the top handful would be the two VIP releases - Patrice Holloway and Andantes
Mick Sway Posted July 17, 2012 Author Posted July 17, 2012 Are you including ep's ?? Tony Any US 7" I know its probably a bit LCD, if its not too much trouble could we have more details in responses. Whilst I'm aware that the very rare Andantes "like a nightmare" V.I.P. 25006, commands £5K+, I don't know the Patrice Holloway referred to. Thanks anyway. Mick
Sebastian Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 The "Motown Rarest Of The Rare 45's" list on David Flynn's site might be a good place to start: https://anorakscorner.homestead.com/RarestOfTheRare-Motown45s.html Gordy 7004 Hattie Littles - Back In My Arms Again Gordy 7088 Bobby Taylor & The Vancouvers - Oh! I've Been Blessed Gordy 7089 Lollipops - Cheating Is Telling On You/Need Your Love Gordy 7091 Terry Johnson - My Springtime Mel-O-Dy 10I Creations This Is Our Night Mel-O-Dy 104 Charters - Trouble Maker Motown G-1 Miracles - Bad Girl Motown TLX2207 Miracles - Bad Girl Motown 1000 Satintones - My Beloved/Sugar Daddy (no strings) Motown 1000 G-3 Satintones - My Beloved/Sugar Daddy (with strings) Motown 1001 Eugene Remus - You Never Miss A Good Thing/Hold Me Tight (no strings) Motown 1001 Eugene Remus - You Never Miss A Good Thing/Gotta Have Your Lovin' (with strings) Motown 1001 180-W Eugene Remus - You Never Miss A Good Thing/Gotta Have Your Lovin' Motown 1006 Satintones - Angel/A Love That Can Never Be Motown 1006 Satintones - Tomorrow And Always/A Love That Can Never Be (with strings) Motown 1006 Satintones - Tomorrow And Always/A Love That Can Never Be (no strings) Motown 1008 Contours - Whole Lotta Woman Motown 1008 Supremes - I Want A Guy Motown 1010 Satintones - I Know How It Feels Motown 54031 Mabel John - Who Wouldn't Love A Man Like That Motown 1012 Contours - Funny Motown 1018 All Stars - Disintegrated Pt.1&2. Motown 1020 Satintones - Faded Letter Motown 1033 LaBrenda Ben & The BelJeans - Came Walk Motown 1044 Supremes - A Breath Taking, First Sight Soul Shaking...(long title) Motown 1046 Serenaders - If Your Heart Says Yes Motown 1061 Mary Wells - When I'm Gone Motown 1112 Barbara McNair - Steal Away Tonight/For Once In My Life Motown 1144 Jonah Jones - For Better Or Worse Motown 1155 Spinners - She's Gonna Love Me At Sundown Motown 1160 Chuck Jackson - The Day The World Stood Still Motown 1168 Blinky (Sandra Williams) - How You Gonna Keep It Soul 35007 Merced Blue Notes - Do The Pig Soul 35009 Earl VanDyke - All For You Soul 35019 Frank Wilson - Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) Tamla 101 Marv Johnson - Come To Me (no address) Tamla 102 Eddie Holland - Merry Go Round Tamla 54022 Barrett Strong - Let's Rock Tamla 54024 Chico Leverett (Charles of The Satintones) - Solid Sender Tamla G7012 Contours - Shake Sherry Tamla 54024 Swinging Tigers - Snake Walk Pt.1&2 Tamla 54025 Ron & Bill (Ron White & Bill Robinson of The Miracles) - It Tamla 54026 Satintones - Going To The Hop Tamla 54028 A-1/2 Miracles - You Can Depend On Me/The Feeling Is Fine Tamla 54028 A-1/2 Miracles - You Can Depend On Me/The Feeling Is Fine (alt.take) Tamla 54026 Downbeats (Elgins) - Request To A Fool Tamla 54028 Miracles - Way Over There (alt.take) Tamla 54030 Singin' Sammy Ward - What Makes You Love Him/Who's The Fool (stripes) Tamla 54030 Singin' Sammy Ward - That Child Is Really Mine/Who's The Fool (globes) Tamla 54031 Mabel John - Who Wouldn't Love A Man Like That Tamla 54036 Miracles - Ain't It Baby Tamla 54037 Gospel Stars - He Lifted Me (stripes) Tamla 54038 Supremes - I Want A Guy (globes) Tamla 54040 Mabel John - No Love (long intro) Tamla 54045 Supremes - I Want A Guy (globes) Tamla 54067 Sandra Mallett & The Vandellas (Sandra Edwards) - Camel Walk Tamla 54081 Mabel John - Who Wouldn't Love A Man Like That Tamla 54106 Kim Weston - A Little More Love Tamla 54144 Brenda Holloway - 'Til Johnny Comes Home Tamla 5501/F1/2 Nick & The Jaguars - Ich-I-Bon #1 VIP 25001 Patrice Holloway (He Is) The Boy Of My Dreams VIP 25006 Andantes - Like A Nightmare VIP 25008 Oma Heard (Oma Page) - Lifetime Man VIP 25020 Isley Brothers - I Hear A Symphony VIP 25021 Velvelettes - A Bird In The Hand VIP 25025 Dalton Boys - Take My Hand VIP 25028 Majestics (The Monitors) - Say You VIP 25029 Downbeats (The Elgins) - Put Yourself In My Place VIP 25044 Debbie Dean - Why Am I Lovin' You VIP 25067 Chuck Jackson - Who You Gonna Run To Anna 101 Voicemasters - Hope & Pray Anna 102 Voicemasters - Needed Anna 103 Hill Sisters - Hit And Runaway Love Anna 1109 Larry Darnell - With ears In My Eyes Anna 1113 Letha Jones & The Rivals - I Need You - I Got That Feeling Anna 1113 Letha Jones & The Rivals - I Need You - Black Clouds Check-Mate 1009 Willie Kendrick - The Best Is Yet To Come Harvey 122 Keith Moss - Satisfaction Guaranteed Miracle 2 Little Iva & Her Band (Raynoma Gordy) - When I Needed You Miracle 3 Gino Parks - Don't Say Bye-Bye Miracle 4 Andre Williams - Rosa Lee Rayber 1001 Wade Jones & The Rayber Voices I Can't Concentrate The Rarer 7" Picture Covers: Motown 1011 Mary Wells - I'm So Sorry Motown 1016 Mary Wells - Strange Love Motown 1024 Mary Wells - The One Who Really Loves You Motown 1027 Supremes - Your Heart Belongs To Me Motown 1032 Mary Wells - You Beat Me To The Punch Tamla 54044 Miracles - Broken Hearted Tamla SL4M 3114 Supremes - Things Are Changing (33 1/3 rpm) Motown Related 7" Promos: City Of Detroit no # Willie Horton & The Supremes - Detroit Is Happening Motown DML294-M05 Christine Schumacher with The Supremes - Mother You Smother You Standard Groove 13090 Miracles - That's Why I Care About Detroit Tamla no # Brenda Holloway - Play It Cool, Stay In School Tamla no # Mavin Gay - Witchcraft (note spelling of his surname) Plain Label no # Lee Allan & The Vandellas Set Me Free American International no# - The Supremes - Dr.Goldfoot & The Bikini Machine Hitsville USA DM097311/2 - Greetings To Tamla Motown Appreciation Society (300 copies)
Mick Holdsworth Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 Any US 7" I know its probably a bit LCD, if its not too much trouble could we have more details in responses. Whilst I'm aware that the very rare Andantes "like a nightmare" V.I.P. 25006, commands £5K+, I don't know the Patrice Holloway referred to. Thanks anyway. Mick Sorry Mick, here you go .. 25001 - Patrice Holloway - The Boy of My Dreams 25006 - Andantes - Like A Nightmare. I remember the Isleys VIP listing from the 70's ... 25020 - I Hear A Symphony Also the Velvelettes ... 25034 - These Things will Keep Me Loving You. Both have appeared on varous listings but does either one actually exist ??
Mick Sway Posted July 17, 2012 Author Posted July 17, 2012 The "Motown Rarest Of The Rare 45's" list on David Flynn's site might be a good place to start: https://anorakscorner...-Motown45s.html Hitsville USA DM097311/2 - Greetings To Tamla Motown Appreciation Society (300 copies) Wow!!!
Chalky Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 Sorry Mick, here you go .. 25001 - Patrice Holloway - The Boy of My Dreams 25006 - Andantes - Like A Nightmare. I remember the Isleys VIP listing from the 70's ... 25020 - I Hear A Symphony Also the Velvelettes ... 25034 - These Things will Keep Me Loving You. Both have appeared on varous listings but does either one actually exist ?? If Boy of My Dreams has "Stevie" on the fIip it definately exists. John Manship auctioned one and another in a collection in the states.
Mick Sway Posted July 17, 2012 Author Posted July 17, 2012 Originals - "Young Train" Soul A few You-tubes wouldn't go amiss. Best M
Mickjay33 Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 Miracle 1 Jimmy Ruffin Dont feel sorry for me VIP The Vows tell me PRETTY HARD TO FIND
Manfromsoul45s Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 A few You-tubes wouldn't go amiss. Best M Not sure thats a pic of an original though??
Chalky Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 quick search came up with this one for The Originals....it's the flip showing though.
Mick Holdsworth Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 If Boy of My Dreams has "Stevie" on the fIip it definately exists. John Manship auctioned one and another in a collection in the states. Chalky, Yes, Patrice Holloway does exist - It was the Velvelettes and Isleys I was querying - Both have appeared on listings for decades, but has anyone ever seen one. Cheers Mick 1
Chalky Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 Got you Mick. Andantes is acetate only isn't it? Didn't Chris King have it? I tried to upload "Stevie" to my sound cloud but copyright detector stopped it
Robbk Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 Many of those on that long list were NEVER pressed in any form. They were "scheduled", but withdrawn before scheduling. The Frank Wilson, Andantes, Patrice Holloway were all pressed (at LEAST the 6 pressing plant store stock pressing plant test pressings). Many of the others (Kim Weston, Oma Heard) actually got out to distributors, and some stores, before being recalled. Gordy 7004, Miracle 3 and 4, and many others never were pressed in any form (other than acetate or music studio blank label test pressing). Many of those were scheduled for release on one Motown label, and moved to another (Serenaders, Lollipops, LaBrenda Ben, etc,). Little Iva-Raynoma Gordy had a batch of 25 or 50 pressed up on Miracle in 1963 for her own use. Not ONE was pressed in 1961, when that record had been scheduled.
Mick Holdsworth Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 Got you Mick. Andantes is acetate only isn't it? Didn't Chris King have it? I tried to upload "Stevie" to my sound cloud but copyright detector stopped it You might be thinking of "That's A Funny Way"? "Like A Nightmare" exists, just very rare
Chalky Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 You might be thinking of "That's A Funny Way"? "Like A Nightmare" exists, just very rare Think I am now you mention it.
neckender Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 Sorry Mick, here you go .. 25001 - Patrice Holloway - The Boy of My Dreams 25006 - Andantes - Like A Nightmare. I remember the Isleys VIP listing from the 70's ... 25020 - I Hear A Symphony Also the Velvelettes ... 25034 - These Things will Keep Me Loving You. Both have appeared on varous listings but does either one actually exist ?? I have the Andantes-like a nightmare-vip. During the mid 8ts there existed two copies in the street that i lived; my copy and Chris Savorys. Not that rare then !
boba Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 Many of those on that long list were NEVER pressed in any form. They were "scheduled", but withdrawn before scheduling. The Frank Wilson, Andantes, Patrice Holloway were all pressed (at LEAST the 6 pressing plant store stock pressing plant test pressings). Many of the others (Kim Weston, Oma Heard) actually got out to distributors, and some stores, before being recalled. Gordy 7004, Miracle 3 and 4, and many others never were pressed in any form (other than acetate or music studio blank label test pressing). Many of those were scheduled for release on one Motown label, and moved to another (Serenaders, Lollipops, LaBrenda Ben, etc,). Little Iva-Raynoma Gordy had a batch of 25 or 50 pressed up on Miracle in 1963 for her own use. Not ONE was pressed in 1961, when that record had been scheduled. many of the things aren't very rare either though, it's a mix of ultra rarities and sort-of-hard-to-find records. The creations on melody is not that hard (I don't think they had two releases, and I checked that number and title). The charters on melody is like a 1-known copy record (it's really good too).
Robbk Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 many of the things aren't very rare either though, it's a mix of ultra rarities and sort-of-hard-to-find records. The creations on melody is not that hard (I don't think they had two releases, and I checked that number and title). The charters on melody is like a 1-known copy record (it's really good too). Yes, Motown was said to only have pressed up a box of 25 of white DJ copies of Mel-O-Dy 104, to give to DJs themselves. Motown never listed 104 as by The Charters in their schedules. It was never even put into the Motown Record Corp. or Jobete Music Record Files. The Charters were a Toledo group that approached Motown to press up their record. Both sides don't sound like Motown recordings. It is surmised that their producer in Toledo had the recordings made, and they came to Motown to get them pressed up. Motown did absolutely NOTHING to market them. I never saw ANY reference to The Charters or their record in the paperwork at Motown, or in any other source. It was always thought of as an unused number. It has only been known for a few years, after the only copy known was found among someone's personal belongings in Toledo (probably a relative of one of the group or their producer).
boba Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 Yes, Motown was said to only have pressed up a box of 25 of white DJ copies of Mel-O-Dy 104, to give to DJs themselves. Motown never listed 104 as by The Charters in their schedules. It was never even put into the Motown Record Corp. or Jobete Music Record Files. The Charters were a Toledo group that approached Motown to press up their record. Both sides don't sound like Motown recordings. It is surmised that their producer in Toledo had the recordings made, and they came to Motown to get them pressed up. Motown did absolutely NOTHING to market them. I never saw ANY reference to The Charters or their record in the paperwork at Motown, or in any other source. It was always thought of as an unused number. It has only been known for a few years, after the only copy known was found among someone's personal belongings in Toledo (probably a relative of one of the group or their producer). The creations on mel-o-dy are from toledo. Are you saying the charters are also from there? Maybe this is what you mean by "a few years" but it has been known since like the 80s. Bob Miner was a big motown collector and he owned a copy at one point, he found it at a record show. He had it since the 80s or at the early 90s at the latest. I'll ask him this sunday.
Prophonics 2029 Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 Any one know if Willie Horton is Bill Horton ?
Pete S Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 https://motownjunkies.co.uk/index/ What a fantastic site, who's behind that?
Chalky Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 What a fantastic site, who's behind that? Agree great source of info. Put some work into it too.
Mal C Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 remember Tim Brown auctioning - Majestics - Say you / VIP last year, or was it the year before, and saying it was incredibly rare, the Four Tops song of course.. was that one on Dave's list?? Mal
dthedrug Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 HI ALL The rarest i can remember? is the 1st TAMLA 12" MARVIN GAYE - "I HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE" 1969 PROM! VERY LIMITED AND VERT RARE ALLEDGED TO BE THE 1st 12" 45rpm, there have been a few 12" releases now of the great record, the one to find is a TAMLA PROMOTIONAL COPY 1969, HERES A DAVE FACT, i WORKED WITH MARVIN 1076 THE TROUBLED MAN TOUR WHAT'S GOING ON? DAVE
Ian Parker Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 was "HARVEY" records part of the Motown stable ? (just browsing that list above)
Citizen P Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 Any US 7" I know its probably a bit LCD, if its not too much trouble could we have more details in responses. Whilst I'm aware that the very rare Andantes "like a nightmare" V.I.P. 25006, commands £5K+, I don't know the Patrice Holloway referred to. Thanks anyway. Mick I was waiting for the bloke who has it to post, but.. Seen a copy of a marvellettes US ep with " Only Your Love Can Save Me" on. I would have thought that's an elusve one. Tony
Guest turntableterra Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 I always thought the vellvelettes, theses things on a white demo was rare but i got two on different versions of the lable, then on ric tic theres the fantastic four demo, pretty hard too ...."love is amazing" if memory serves. the demo of pretty lady is hard too. but isnt there two versions of the frank wilson too, which one was released/witheld. if anyone has a 1027 in pic sleeve id like that to complete all the motown pics. pm me
Robbk Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 The creations on mel-o-dy are from toledo. Are you saying the charters are also from there? Maybe this is what you mean by "a few years" but it has been known since like the 80s. Bob Miner was a big Motown collector and he owned a copy at one point, he found it at a record show. He had it since the 80s or at the early 90s at the latest. I'll ask him this sunday. Yes, "a few years" for me, could mean end of the '80s/early '90s (time goes by extremely fast after one reaches 60 years old). And, yes, I read (and heard from several others) that The Charters were from Toledo, and that the one record was found there. I'd always heard that The Creations were a local group from Detroit, with which Andre Williams was deeply involved (possibly also their manager, in addition to being their Motown producer). It was even suggested that he was related to one of the group (also named Williams-there are two Williams among the writing credits). I've never heard that The Creations were from Toledo. What is the source for that information?
De-to Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 im sure there is a dog rare motown promo 45 by barney ales from the late 60s cannot remember the title though,???
MrsWoodsrules Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 Satintones Angel on Stripy Motown is a tuff one I think. Aid.
KevH Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 Yes, Motown was said to only have pressed up a box of 25 of white DJ copies of Mel-O-Dy 104, to give to DJs themselves. Motown never listed 104 as by The Charters in their schedules. It was never even put into the Motown Record Corp. or Jobete Music Record Files. The Charters were a Toledo group that approached Motown to press up their record. Both sides don't sound like Motown recordings. It is surmised that their producer in Toledo had the recordings made, and they came to Motown to get them pressed up. Motown did absolutely NOTHING to market them. I never saw ANY reference to The Charters or their record in the paperwork at Motown, or in any other source. It was always thought of as an unused number. It has only been known for a few years, after the only copy known was found among someone's personal belongings in Toledo (probably a relative of one of the group or their producer). Is this the Charter's single? 1
Robbk Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 Yes, that's the one. Only one copy known, as far as I know. I've never even seen a scan of the flip. 1
boba Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 Yes, "a few years" for me, could mean end of the '80s/early '90s (time goes by extremely fast after one reaches 60 years old). And, yes, I read (and heard from several others) that The Charters were from Toledo, and that the one record was found there. I'd always heard that The Creations were a local group from Detroit, with which Andre Williams was deeply involved (possibly also their manager, in addition to being their Motown producer). It was even suggested that he was related to one of the group (also named Williams-there are two Williams among the writing credits). I've never heard that The Creations were from Toledo. What is the source for that information? The creations on mel-o-dy are definitely from Toledo. I can give you the lineup, etc. I'm pretty sure the info came directly from the one surviving member Charles Holman, who was later in the Unique Blend on Eastbound.
boba Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 there was a member of the creations with the last name williams but i doubt he had any relation to Andre. I forgot how good that charters was.
Robbk Posted July 18, 2012 Posted July 18, 2012 If there was only one member of The Creations named Williams, then, the 2nd Williams in the writing credits would be Andre Williams (their producer). It is interesting that Motown put both their groups from Toledo on their Mel-o-dy subsidiary. Of course, Toledo, Ohio was always considered a part of the Greater Detroit Metropolitan Area, rather than part of a Western Ohio Metro Area. Almost all the Detroit acts played in Toledo, as well.
Mick Sway Posted July 19, 2012 Author Posted July 19, 2012 remember Tim Brown auctioning - Majestics - Say you / VIP last year, or was it the year before, and saying it was incredibly rare, the Four Tops song of course.. was that one on Dave's list?? Mal Re Majestics: I thought this might be of interest: Anglo valuation: https://www.raresoulvinyl.co.uk/priceguide/index.aspx?searchType=artist&search=MAJESTICS Interesting You-Tube Motown Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/user/MotownMaster The Majestics "hello love" with group rundown.: Potted history of group
Weingarden Posted July 19, 2012 Posted July 19, 2012 Any one know if Willie Horton is Bill Horton ? No, Willie was a popular baseball player on the local team, the Tigers. This was his only appearance on a record, as far as I know. 1
Marc Forrest Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 Got you Mick. Andantes is acetate only isn't it? Didn't Chris King have it? I tried to upload "Stevie" to my sound cloud but copyright detector stopped it Tim`s got one, butch`s got one...and I know of another one. So at least three copies.
Chalky Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 Tim`s got one, butch`s got one...and I know of another one. So at least three copies. I know Marc, I read Butch's post
Marc Forrest Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 The "Motown Rarest Of The Rare 45's" list on David Flynn's site might be a good place to start: https://anorakscorner...-Motown45s.html remember when we worked on that list some years ago (was it on here or on soultalk ?) anyway, to be fair some titles would need to be taken off that list. The Downbeats "Request of a Fool" for example...as much as I love it and it is amongst my fave Motown group records...I have seen several since then going thru ebay. Some even without bids... I try to collect Motown complete up until 1967 (and no I dont want to buy a Frank Wilson LOL) and am almost finished...Having said that two 45s I never saw up for sale and therefor had no chance to buy are Barrett Strong "Let`s Rock" (only saw once when Martin Koppel sold for the first time) and Nick & The Jaguars. So at a guess they will be amongst the Rarest Motwon.
Marc Forrest Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 I know Marc, I read Butch's post yeah sorry, read it after posting my answer too ;)
Marc Forrest Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 Satintones Angel on Stripy Motown is a tuff one I think. Aid. Agreed, amongst the top three toughest striped ones..
Chalky Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 yeah sorry, read it after posting my answer too ;) I was also thinking of the wrong record as well at the time of my reply...d'oh!
Pete S Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 I always thought the vellvelettes, theses things on a white demo was rare but i got two on different versions of the lable, then on ric tic theres the fantastic four demo, pretty hard too ...."love is amazing" if memory serves. the demo of pretty lady is hard too. but isnt there two versions of the frank wilson too, which one was released/witheld. if anyone has a 1027 in pic sleeve id like that to complete all the motown pics. pm me I've got the Fantastic Four demo but selling it is another thing, I've had it as low as £50 no sale
Mick Holdsworth Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 I have the Andantes-like a nightmare-vip. During the mid 8ts there existed two copies in the street that i lived; my copy and Chris Savorys. Not that rare then ! Two in the street !! If every street in the country had two, then there could be almost a hundred !! Joking apart, it wasn't the existance of Andantes i was querying - My query was if Velvelettes or the Isleys existed - and I think RobK answered that for me. Cheers Mick
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