Clandisc Reggae Id

[TOAD]

i have a clandisc uk 206 which is king stitt "the ugly one" but the b side is not "beat dance" or "dance beat" every discog has that same mistake listed ! Even the trojan book. Ive searched you tube and come up with nothing so i thought id try here tia toad

[Guest brivinyl]

From memory I think my copy plays CLANCY ECCLES - Baby I Will Always Love You. Not with my records at the moment but I'll check when I'm back at home.

[TOAD]

title sounds about right thanks thats so helpfull

[Guest brivinyl]

Just checked my copy. Label credited as CLANCY ECCLES - Beat Dance but it plays CLANCY ECCLES - Baby I Will Always Love You.

You mention on line reggae discographies, I've yet to find one that isn't littered with mistakes. Having said that though there are so many UK records of JA recordings miscredited so unless you own all the discs it's not an easy task.

[TOAD]

thanks bri

[Guest trickbag]

as discribed but b side plays

i will always love you, both on youtube.

ricky.

[dthedrug]

HI ALL..Just to point out, that many mistakes were deliberate, as often the record was released in this country twice, B&C/TROJAN & PAMA INT, or a different cut, however also to be considered, is that at the record companies, in typical Jamaican style the info was shortened & misspelled, as many people who worked in UK pressing plants did not understand patwa yet alone when written down, it's has led us to some wonderful titles from the time, so there's just 2 of many issues to consider? Sir DAVE

[Pete S]

HI ALL..Just to point out, that many mistakes were deliberate, as often the record was released in this country twice, B&C/TROJAN & PAMA INT, or a different cut, however also to be considered, is that at the record companies, in typical Jamaican style the info was shortened & misspelled, as many people who worked in UK pressing plants did not understand patwa yet alone when written down, it's has led us to some wonderful titles from the time, so there's just 2 of many issues to consider? Sir DAVE

Also - especially in the case of Studio One - they would change the artist name to that of a band or singer who'd just had a hit, so a Heptones might be credited to Ken Boothe and a Ken Boothe to Alton Ellis.

And as Dave said, some producers would come over, go see Pama, license them a tune then go across town and license the same song to Trojan, so you get things coming out on different labels with artists names changed (Pat kelly credited as Wonder Boy, Lester Sterling as Mr Versatile etc)

[TOAD]

so how do i get "dance beat" on a uk 45 whats the number please

[dthedrug]

Also - especially in the case of Studio One - they would change the artist name to that of a band or singer who'd just had a hit, so a Heptones might be credited to Ken Boothe and a Ken Boothe to Alton Ellis.

And as Dave said, some producers would come over, go see Pama, license them a tune then go across town and license the same song to Trojan, so you get things coming out on different labels with artists names changed (Pat kelly credited as Wonder Boy, Lester Sterling as Mr Versatile etc)

Little boy blue also , Dice the boss, Pama dice, king horror & so on, as for Lord TOAD, it's possible that the sound disc just listed 1 side so it was renamed as DANCE BEAT, BLUES DANCE, BLUE BEAT, SKANK, RUM RYTHM, COKE RYTHM TENG & many more you do a stregato let the action begin with Lady O nice! Admiral DAVE sharper than a razor blade, so cough if you wanna get off

[Wiggyflat]

Didnt the Rudies The Split get used for a Judge Dread b side 2 years later.

[Guest TONY ROUNCE]

Also - especially in the case of Studio One - they would change the artist name to that of a band or singer who'd just had a hit, so a Heptones might be credited to Ken Boothe and a Ken Boothe to Alton Ellis.

And as Dave said, some producers would come over, go see Pama, license them a tune then go across town and license the same song to Trojan, so you get things coming out on different labels with artists names changed (Pat kelly credited as Wonder Boy, Lester Sterling as Mr Versatile etc)

The all time greatest example of this, to my mind, occurred when U Roy first came to the UK in 1972.

Trojan didn't have any new U Roy product to stick out to coincide with the tour, so they simply issued Dennis AlCapone's then current Treasure Isle 45 'Number One Station' as "Rock To The Beat" by 'U Roy".

Like the Studio 1 things that Pete mentions, this was not simply a case of somebody at a record company hearing a blank label 45 and taking a rough guess at who it might be by. Nor was it a case of a producer selling the same tape to two different companies as being by two different artists. This was an out an out attempt at deception by Trojan that - given how well known Dennis aleady was by that time, and how unlike U Roy he sounded - fooled a surprising number of idiots punters at the time...

[TOAD]

was it clandisc 220 then ?

[dthedrug]

The all time greatest example of this, to my mind, occurred when U Roy first came to the UK in 1972.

Trojan didn't have any new U Roy product to stick out to coincide with the tour, so they simply issued Dennis AlCapone then current Treasure Isle 45 'Number One Station' as "Rock To The Beat" by 'U Roy".

Like the Studio 1 things that Pete mentions, this was not simply a case of somebody at a record company hearing a blank label 45 and taking a rough guess at who it might be by. Nor was it a case of a producer selling the same tape to two different companies as being by two different artists. This was an out an out attempt at deception by Trojan that - given how well known Dennis already was by that time, and how unlike U Roy he sounded - fooled a surprising number of idiots punters at the time...

HI TONY Yes indeed he did, in-fact he Dave Barker, Laural Aikin, & PAMA DICE were behind a lot of records that were recorded, in LONDON, that have become SKINHEAD CLASSICS, So it's the London sound, not the JA sound that rules?? DAVE

PS. This is one of the 1st events that ANDREW from Notts put on, the Art Work is by "old school Jim" aka JIM SILES My close friend and part of "skinflint productions" "more than skin deep" & "the SPIRIT of 69"

NICE POSTER FOR YOUR WALL, Any copies that are sold, will cost you £1K or public humiliation? I kid not!

DAVE

Edited July 17, 2012 by dthedrug

[TOAD]

nice posts but how do i get dance beat on Uk 45 !

[TOAD]

nice posts but how do i get dance beat on Uk 45 !

[Guest trickbag]

CLA 220 Cynthia Richards - Foolish Fool // Clancy And Stitt - Dance Beat

Produced by: Clancy Eccles

1970

Clancy Eccles & Friends - Freedom (Anthology)

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  Trojan - #TJDDD 297
  

on you tube toad,think you answered your own

question.

ricky.

[TOAD]

CLA 220 Cynthia Richards - Foolish Fool // Clancy And Stitt - Dance Beat

Produced by: Clancy Eccles

1970

Clancy Eccles & Friends - Freedom (Anthology) Wanted confirmation that it actually played the correct track ! You tube is full of mistakes infact its rubbish

• 
  Trojan - #TJDDD 297
  

on you tube toad,think you answered your own

question.

ricky.

[Guest trickbag]

Wanted confirmation that it actually played the correct track ! You tube is full of mistakes infact its rubbish

yes tim i know but if you listen to the tune you will

find its dance beat

CLA 220 Cynthia Richards - Foolish Fool // Clancy And Stitt - Dance Beat

ricky.

[TOAD]

the info i have was 220 b side was a reissue of 209 b side Thats why i asked i could of gone to you tube or that disog site