Rolling Stones Memory. Soul Related Honest

[slimharpo]

As it is the 50th Anniversary of the Stones 1st gig, I thought I would record my memory of them which I only have because of my interest in Soul records.

I saw the Rolling Stones live at the ABC cinema in Chester in 1964. I actually went to see Charlie & Inez Foxx who were on the same show. Charlie & Inez were great, Charlie carrying Inez off stage in his arms at the end while they were singing Mockingbird. I was more than a but snotty about the Stones at the time due to what I regarded as their attempts to cash in on R&B/Soul originals by putting out what I thought were very poor copies. However, I had to admit they were great. Their sound was just something else on stage and they had charisma in bucketloads, although I did not know what charisma meant then!

Actually the Stones championed Blues & Soul and many artists got royalties and recognition they would never have had if it wasn't for them.

I met Keith Richards in 1982 in a small club in Bleeker St, Greenwich Village. I had gone there to see Etta James and he was in the audience and did a number with her. I spoke with him after the show for about 10 minutes, he was really friendly and was just like 'one of the lads'. He remembered the Chester gig and told me some anecdotes that have since appeared in his autobiography.

I've kept the programme and scanned a couple of pages.

Edited July 12, 2012 by slimharpo

[Guest]

Saw them at the 1976 Knebworth festival with 10cc, Todd Rundgren, Lynyrd Skynyrd and a few more that I forget.

Never seen them since but my eldest son saw the Voodoo Lounge tour a few years ago.

[SHEFFSOUL]

As it is the 50th Anniversary of the Stones 1st gig, I thought I would record my memory of them which I only have because of my interest in Soul records.

I saw the Rolling Stones live at the ABC cinema in Chester in 1964. I actually went to see Charlie & Inez Foxx who were on the same show. Charlie & Inez were great, Charlie carrying Inez off stage in his arms at the end while they were singing Mockingbird. I was more than a but snotty about the Stones at the time due to what I regarded as their attempts to cash in on R&B/Soul originals by putting out what I thought were very poor copies. However, I had to admit they were great. Their sound was just something else on stage and they had charisma in bucketloads, although I did not know what charisma meant then!

Actually the Stones championed Blues & Soul and many artists got royalties and recognition they would never have had if it wasn't for them.

I met Keith Richards in 1982 in a small club in Bleeker St, Greenwich Village. I had gone there to see Etta James and he was in the audience and did a number with her. I spoke with him after the show for about 10 minutes, he was really friendly and was just like 'one of the lads'. He remembered the Chester gig and told me some anecdotes that have since appeared in his autobiography.

I've kept the programme and scanned a couple of pages.

..great story..i'm a Stones fan..once designed a stage wear tee for Keith..if you decide to sell the programme let me know..

[Mike Lofthouse]

As it is the 50th Anniversary of the Stones 1st gig, I thought I would record my memory of them which I only have because of my interest in Soul records.

I saw the Rolling Stones live at the ABC cinema in Chester in 1964. I actually went to see Charlie & Inez Foxx who were on the same show. Charlie & Inez were great, Charlie carrying Inez off stage in his arms at the end while they were singing Mockingbird. I was more than a but snotty about the Stones at the time due to what I regarded as their attempts to cash in on R&B/Soul originals by putting out what I thought were very poor copies. However, I had to admit they were great. Their sound was just something else on stage and they had charisma in bucketloads, although I did not know what charisma meant then!

Actually the Stones championed Blues & Soul and many artists got royalties and recognition they would never have had if it wasn't for them.

I met Keith Richards in 1982 in a small club in Bleeker St, Greenwich Village. I had gone there to see Etta James and he was in the audience and did a number with her. I spoke with him after the show for about 10 minutes, he was really friendly and was just like 'one of the lads'. He remembered the Chester gig and told me some anecdotes that have since appeared in his autobiography.

I've kept the programme and scanned a couple of pages.

On that tour they also appeared at the ABC Stockton , I believe as well Inez & Charlie Foxx, the following appeared Mike Berry, Don 'Fireball' Spencer, Simon Scott & the Leroys and the Mojos. They also appeared there the following year with Ike & tina Turner and the Yardbirds.

I saw them at St James Park in Newcastle in 1982 with J GEILS BAND and GEORGE THOROGOOD & DESTROYERS

Just a few observations for you - don't want another discussion about plagiarism and the like

Mike

[Mike Lofthouse]

oh and forgot their first gig outside London was a small club in Middlesbrough - on 13/07/63 supporting The Hollies!

[Ted Massey]

I SAW them at the Odeon new street bham in about 1966 notice the emphis on saw, never fookin heard them bloody swarking girls

[Guest proudlove]

Keefs book is well worth a read.....just finished it.

[Ceejay]

On that tour they also appeared at the ABC Stockton , I believe as well Inez & Charlie Foxx, the following appeared Mike Berry, Don 'Fireball' Spencer, Simon Scott & the Leroys and the Mojos. They also appeared there the following year with Ike & tina Turner and the Yardbirds.

I saw them at St James Park in Newcastle in 1982 with J GEILS BAND and GEORGE THOROGOOD & DESTROYERS

Just a few observations for you - don't want another discussion about plagiarism and the like

Mike

Sometimes wish I was older than I am Lofty...................born too late!!!!

Edited July 12, 2012 by Carol J

[Mike Lofthouse]

Sometimes wish I was older than I am Lofty...................born too late!!!!

it was before my time too Carol

How about this lineup at the ABC Stockton in '65...

The Miracles The Supremes Stevie Wonder Martha & the Vandellas Earl Van Dyke Georgie Fame and the Blue Flames

Mike

[Ceejay]

it was before my time too Carol

How about this lineup at the ABC Stockton in '65...

The Miracles The Supremes Stevie Wonder Martha & the Vandellas Earl Van Dyke Georgie Fame and the Blue Flames

Mike

Just thinking................I thought it was called The Globe back then??? I know my Dad always used to call it The Globe.....................he saw a lot of big names there in the 50s.

[Chalky]

If the rolling stones were so good to black artists and R&B how come Jagger and Richards get the credit for The Last Time when it is clearly based on the Staple Singers track.

The Stones also took all royalties off the Verve for Bitter Sweet Symphony as they sued them for using more than the license they obtained allowed them to.

[Mike Lofthouse]

If the rolling stones were so good to black artists and R&B how come Jagger and Richards get the credit for The Last Time when it is clearly based on the Staple Singers track.

The Stones also took all royalties off the Verve for Bitter Sweet Symphony as they sued them for using more than the license they obtained allowed them to.

I know all that Chalky - but I couldn't be arsed this time that's why I said - 'Just a few observations for you - don't want another discussion about plagiarism and the like' !!! Just tried to fill in a bit of detail for the original poster.

Mike

[Chalky]

I know all that Chalky - but I couldn't be arsed this time that's why I said - 'Just a few observations for you - don't want another discussion about plagiarism and the like' !!! Just tried to fill in a bit of detail for the original poster.

Mike

I read what you said Mike, thats why I said it

It works both ways though IMO, I've heard nothing but good about them all day on the radio when in reality they aren't all good.

[Guest colin brown]

Saw them when I was very young(14) at the Crawdaddy.My Mates got me in!!!!

[Mike Lofthouse]

I read what you said Mike, thats why I said it

It works both ways though IMO, I've heard nothing but good about them all day on the radio when in reality they aren't all good.

who is?

[Chalky]

who is?

I should have said in reality not everything about them is good like it is being made out, particularly by the media.

[SHEFFSOUL]

Sometimes wish I was older than I am Lofty...................born too late!!!!

been thinkin that since i was 15.. :(

[slimharpo]

it was before my time too Carol

How about this lineup at the ABC Stockton in '65...

The Miracles The Supremes Stevie Wonder Martha & the Vandellas Earl Van Dyke Georgie Fame and the Blue Flames

Mike

I also saw that show at the ABC Chester. So few there that the MC called us all down to the front to 'clap our hands and create some atmosphere'! My mate & I were right at the back being skint so we were well pleased. We were so skint we hitched there from Wrexham and when hitching home got a lift from Soul Sam (known as Martin Barnfather then) and members of a group called The Silverstones who we sat near to during the show. I knew them from Martin DJing at a local dance hall and the group from appearing locally. They went on to win Opportunity Knocks 6 times and their lead guitarist, Andy Scott went on to become the lead for The Sweet. We had to lie down on top of their band equipment in the back of their estate car! Here is a scan of the programme which I also kept. I've also kept programmes from the Otis Redding show at The Empire in Liverpool + a rare handbill that they sent me with the tickets + programmes of Aretha & Ray Charles in Manchester in the 60s.

[slimharpo]

I read what you said Mike, thats why I said it

It works both ways though IMO, I've heard nothing but good about them all day on the radio when in reality they aren't all good.

I was also incensed at the time they covered 'Last Time' and took the credits for themselves but on the other hand would Howlin' Wolf got on 'Shindig' without their influence or have been brought over here to support them in a tour. Swings and roundabouts I think. I have mellowed my opinions towards them and their covers/'plagiarism'over the years and I have come to the conclusion that on the whole they were beneficial towards promoting the Blues and thereby rewarding the original artists for their influences.

[Bigsoulman]

You just gotta love The Stones

I saw them at the ABC in Edinburgh in 1964 and they were great but screaming girls were a pain in the arse, didn't bother me then but now they would get a slap

I believe Mick and Keith are big Garnett Mimms fans from reading a few books about them.

Off The Hook was a big club fave back then.

50 years is some achievement in any form of music so congrats to them.

Lenny

[Paul R]

When I went to my first allnighter at Vavas in about early Sept 73, I was 15 and with some older Torch/ Wheel people. One of them was saying how great a certain record was. When I told him it was "Under My Thumb" and was by The Rolling Stones, he suggested that I didn't know what I was talking about. Anyone else remember The Stones version being played off the Aftermath album, at the same time as Wayne Gibson?

Paul

[Ric-tic]

a friend of mine was at the 64 'springfield jersey. concert, they were pelted with tomatoes, by local youths. mick was angry stopped the show and called the kids out, he wouldnt start the show till they were bundled out..

[Pete S]

The Stones also took all royalties off the Verve for Bitter Sweet Symphony as they sued them for using more than the license they obtained allowed them to.

They didn't Chalky, Alan Klein did, he owned the publishing rights.

[SHEFFSOUL]

When I went to my first allnighter at Vavas in about early Sept 73, I was 15 and with some older Torch/ Wheel people. One of them was saying how great a certain record was. When I told him it was "Under My Thumb" and was by The Rolling Stones, he suggested that I didn't know what I was talking about. Anyone else remember The Stones version being played off the Aftermath album, at the same time as Wayne Gibson?

Paul

yeah..mainly because Wayne Gibsons was harder to find..I also played 2120 south michigan ave as a cover up from their EP..covered as G Davis & R Tyler..

[Julianb]

As it is the 50th Anniversary of the Stones 1st gig, I thought I would record my memory of them which I only have because of my interest in Soul records.

I saw the Rolling Stones live at the ABC cinema in Chester in 1964. I actually went to see Charlie & Inez Foxx who were on the same show. Charlie & Inez were great, Charlie carrying Inez off stage in his arms at the end while they were singing Mockingbird. I was more than a but snotty about the Stones at the time due to what I regarded as their attempts to cash in on R&B/Soul originals by putting out what I thought were very poor copies. However, I had to admit they were great. Their sound was just something else on stage and they had charisma in bucketloads, although I did not know what charisma meant then!

Actually the Stones championed Blues & Soul and many artists got royalties and recognition they would never have had if it wasn't for them.

I met Keith Richards in 1982 in a small club in Bleeker St, Greenwich Village. I had gone there to see Etta James and he was in the audience and did a number with her. I spoke with him after the show for about 10 minutes, he was really friendly and was just like 'one of the lads'. He remembered the Chester gig and told me some anecdotes that have since appeared in his autobiography.

I've kept the programme and scanned a couple of pages.

Bloody hell, I saw them at Bradford Gaumont and I still have the programme as well. Also saw the Beatles at the same venue with Mary Wells on the bill. Still have that programme as well !!!

[Gogger]

They didn't Chalky, Alan Klein did, he owned the publishing rights.

is that the guy that ripped the stones off, saw them live years ago they where great.

[Steve G]

You should have heard Dave Godin talking about them! He went to school with a couple of them, the mere mention of their names in earshot would send him off like a fire cracker! I thought Dave was usually a good judge of character.

Edited July 31, 2012 by Steve G

[Roburt]

Think Charlie Watts got it right a short while ago when he said people would be better listening to old Chuck Berry tracks rather than anything the Stones did.

[Guest MBarrett]

However, I had to admit they were great. Their sound was just something else on stage and they had charisma in bucketloads, although I did not know what charisma meant then!

Actually the Stones championed Blues &Soul and many artists got royalties and recognition they would never have had if it wasn't for them.

I met Keith Richards in 1982 in a small club in Bleeker St, Greenwich Village. I had gone there to see Etta James and he was in the audience and did a number with her. I spoke with him after the show for about 10 minutes, he was really friendly and was just like 'one of the lads'. He remembered the Chester gig and told me some anecdotes that have since appeared in his autobiography.

I was 12 years old in 1964 and absolutely in awe of the Rolling Stones. Apart from Chuck Berry I wasn't aware of any of the original versions of their records but even to this day I don't see that there was any intention to disrespect or rip-off the original writers or artists. Quite the opposite.

Here is some great film from the TAMI show recorded in that year. They followed James Brown on the Bill but still got the audience rocking!!

MB

[bri phill]

You should have heard Dave Godin talking about them! He went to school with a couple of them, the mere mention of their names in earshot would send him off like a fire cracker! I thought Dave was usually a good judge of character.

Dave was a purist and didn't approve of anyone covering black artist.He must have realised beladely how much good they did for them artist.

They were the most exciting band to burst onto the scene back in 63 for me. I absolutely loved them until Exile on Main Street and it's been down hill ever since.

Was in Hyde Park 69 when they did the free gig just after Brian Jones had died. Whilst down there I managed to pick up some rare soul stuff on the cheap aswell.

Brian

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[Guest aintgotit]

I saw them in 1982 as someone mentioned st james park above it was the same tour i believe. My experience was at roundhay park in leeds on the hottest day of that year so far.The entire day was one of the stand out music experiences of my life at that time.(My only previous live concert beig Martha Reeves and the Vandellas at Batley variety club, as i was too youg to see her and them at wigan casino in 78 or 79 as my older brother had. Buoyed back then by a couple of black bombers, a girl on my shoulders , ,and unexpectedly hearing" under my thumb", as the opening tune. all the artists on stage that day surpassed any expectations i may have had about them. It was a departure from the previous couple of years of regular niters, and, unbeknown to me at the time, save for an occasional flash of insight that i had some serious choices to make ; For the first time in my life i had the impression that my separate life of appreciating soul music, the white face of r& b in this country and the mainstream acceptance of it, finally met on a gloriously hot july afternoon. It inspired me to keep looking for links between my love of soul and mainstream music while i sorted my life out for the better, found a career which allowed me to travel , and have a life rich with well... life!.Im glad i grabbed the chance to see the Rolling Stones,It marked the end of my teens and ushered in the beginning of my adulthood. Thanks to Slimharpo for the fascinating thread and the chance to cement the link for me again, between mainstream british music and soul music as we all love on here by recommending the B- side of the Bobbettes release of "Happy go lucky me, which is of course, an explosive version of "Its all over now!"

Edited August 17, 2012 by aintgotit

[nsoul2]

I was 12 years old in 1964 and absolutely in awe of the Rolling Stones. Apart from Chuck Berry I wasn't aware of any of the original versions of their records but even to this day I don't see that there was any intention to disrespect or rip-off the original writers or artists. Quite the opposite.

Here is some great film from the TAMI show recorded in that year. They followed James Brown on the Bill but still got the audience rocking!!

MB

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[nsoul2]

The James Brown footage from this show is on you tube to.

[nsoul2]

They didn't Chalky, Alan Klein did, he owned the publishing rights.

And went on to rip off the Stones

[Gogger]

I saw them in 1982 as someone mentioned st james park above it was the same tour i believe. My experience was at roundhay park in leeds on the hottest day of that year so far.The entire day was one of the stand out music experiences of my life at that time.(My only previous live concert beig Martha Reeves and the Vandellas at Batley variety club, as i was too youg to see her and them at wigan casino in 78 or 79 as my older brother had. Buoyed back then by a couple of black bombers, a girl on my shoulders , ,and unexpectedly hearing" under my thumb", as the opening tune. all the artists on stage that day surpassed any expectations i may have had about them. It was a departure from the previous couple of years of regular niters, and, unbeknown to me at the time, save for an occasional flash of insight that i had some serious choices to make ; For the first time in my life i had the impression that my separate life of appreciating soul music, the white face of r& b in this country and the mainstream acceptance of it, finally met on a gloriously hot july afternoon. It inspired me to keep looking for links between my love of soul and mainstream music while i sorted my life out for the better, found a career which allowed me to travel , and have a life rich with well... life!.Im glad i grabbed the chance to see the Rolling Stones,It marked the end of my teens and ushered in the beginning of my adulthood. Thanks to Slimharpo for the fascinating thread and the chance to cement the link for me again, between mainstream british music and soul music as we all love on here by recommending the B- side of the Bobbettes release of "Happy go lucky me, which is of course, an explosive version of "Its all over now!"

i was at that concert at roundhay park , i still tell people it was one of the best i have ever seen , imo the stones were influenced by the blues and r&b, and didn't steal it

[shelly]

A story I heard yestrday afternoon at Anita Varneys 60th, back in the days, Richards, Jones and Watts went to the Wheel after the release of their first LP, all cover versions, Roger Eagle then proceeded to play the original verson of every track on side one, one after the other to piss them off.

Fucking star!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shelly

Edited August 20, 2012 by shelly