Mcarthur On Brown Dog

[boba]

Does anyone have any info on this singer or group? I don't recognize the names on the record.

The reason I'm asking is that I got it a week ago and it's been bothering me that it sounds *exactly* like another group with a distinctive lead, and even the backup sounds familiar. Just now I finally remembered, it sounds exactly like the 21st on Joy.

I looked up the publishing in a book and it goes to a Charles Johnson in Detroit. I think the lead has to be the same lead as the 21st (who is Willie Jones, previously of the Royal Jokers), if not the entire group. Does anyone have any more specific info? Like the 21st records, this record is really good. I wonder if the lead or entire group did anything in the years in between the 21st records and the mcarthur record.

[Stillsoulin]

Hi,

I have a copy of this, a fine tune, it is the same song as Nelson Saunders that came out on Soul King, although taken at a different pace, however if you listen to the spoken monologue on the McArthur record it sounds vocaly very similar to the Nelson Saunders, i have suspected it may be him but have wondered about this myself so any info gratefully recieved. hope this helps.

[Guest trickbag]

The Royal Jokers aka The Serenades (1) aka The Musketeers aka The Scooters aka The Royals (2) (Detroit)

Personnel :

Thearon Hill (Tenor)

Noah Howell (Baritone / Tenor)

Willie Jones (Tenor)

Ted Green (Baritone)

Norman Thrasher (Bass)

group lineup bob.

ricky.

[boba]

thanks. but that is the lineup of the royal jokers. willie jones was in both groups. they weren't the same group as the 21st. the royal jokers lineup also changed several times. i would like to know the lineup of the 21st. thanks.

[boba]

Hi,

I have a copy of this, a fine tune, it is the same song as Nelson Saunders that came out on Soul King, although taken at a different pace, however if you listen to the spoken monologue on the McArthur record it sounds vocaly very similar to the Nelson Saunders, i have suspected it may be him but have wondered about this myself so any info gratefully recieved. hope this helps.

thanks for the info, the soul king record is a Ron Murphy thing? I only have the metros and one other thing on the label, didn't realize he did more. any way you can post audio through soundcloud? i would love to hear it. thanks a lot.

[Alan T]

Well spotted Bob. I was trying to find out who McArthur was but couldn't come up with anything. The Joy and Brown Dog 45s have the names Terry / Terrell on them.

[boba]

Well spotted Bob. I was trying to find out who McArthur was but couldn't come up with anything. The Joy and Brown Dog 45s have the names Terry / Terrell on them.

I didn't even "spot" it so much as hear it, I didn't even pull out the Joy 45s to compare. It sounds like exactly the same group, not just the same lead, but that is obviously an assumption on my part. Is Dave Thorley or other frequent detroiters in contact with Willie Jones or any members of the 21st to get more info? Thanks for everyone's help already. Thanks.

[Alan T]

I didn't even "spot" it so much as hear it, I didn't even pull out the Joy 45s to compare. It sounds like exactly the same group, not just the same lead, but that is obviously an assumption on my part. Is Dave Thorley or other frequent detroiters in contact with Willie Jones or any members of the 21st to get more info? Thanks for everyone's help already. Thanks.

Yes i meant spotting that the voices were the same. I've just been listening to The 21st "The Thought Of Me Losing You" and McArthurs "It's So Real" and i'm certain they're the same singer / group. Is McArthur a group name then, i just presumed it was the name of the singer. I've said on here before that i'd enquired if it was McArthur Munford from the Spellbinders but it wasn't. So the guy singing is probably Willie Jones. Thanks for the info Bob.

[boba]

Yes i meant spotting that the voices were the same. I've just been listening to The 21st "The Thought Of Me Losing You" and McArthurs "It's So Real" and i'm certain they're the same singer / group. Is McArthur a group name then, i just presumed it was the name of the singer. I've said on here before that i'd enquired if it was McArthur Munford from the Spellbinders but it wasn't. So the guy singing is probably Willie Jones. Thanks for the info Bob.

Yeah I have no idea what the group name means, I'd assume it was the name of the lead singer, maybe Willie Jones was just a member of the 21st but didn't sing lead or maybe there was some other story. The Spellbinders are from new jersey, i doubt it would have anything to do with them. Thanks.