Denbo Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 If Sebastian is reading this, or if anybody else would like to oblige, can you tell me if red and white Demos on the early Volt label design are unusual or common? Red and black Demos yes, but what about red and white ones?
Steve G Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Less usual Dennis, I've got pretty much all the Volt stuff and I have a few of these. Steve PS: When are we all meeting up again?
Denbo Posted June 26, 2012 Author Posted June 26, 2012 Less usual Dennis, I've got pretty much all the Volt stuff and I have a few of these. Steve PS: When are we all meeting up again? Is that red on white background or white on red background? I can't remember now which way round mine is? As for when we're meeting up again. Errr, can't remember now? I don't think we fixed a date?
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Less usual Dennis, I've got pretty much all the Volt stuff and I have a few of these. Steve Be interested to know what the earliest one of these is that you have is, Steve. Like you I have a few, but nothing earlier than The Mad lads 'Patch My Heart' which is Volt 139. Can you beat that?
Denbo Posted June 26, 2012 Author Posted June 26, 2012 Any chance of a label scan of one of these red and white demos, if only for my fading memory but it may also benefit others.
Steve G Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Be interested to know what the earliest one of these is that you have is, Steve. Like you I have a few, but nothing earlier than The Mad lads 'Patch My Heart' which is Volt 139. Can you beat that? Now checked.....The only one I have is 143 which is another Mad Lads 45. Everything else on my racks is either Black / Red or Black White. Steve Edited June 26, 2012 by Steve G
Denbo Posted June 26, 2012 Author Posted June 26, 2012 Yes, my one and only red and white Volt demo is the Mad Lads but can't remember which one? Unless Tone can show us otherwise, perhaps it's the only one after all? Let me know Ste if we DO have a date fixed for our next drinkie poos. 1
45cellar Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I only have Black & White DEMOs around that number. Here's 144, 145 & 148
Kris Holmes Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) never seen a red/white demo that i can remember. would be interested in a pic. Edited June 26, 2012 by Kris Holmes
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) Yes, my one and only red and white Volt demo is the Mad Lads but can't remember which one? Unless Tone can show us otherwise, perhaps it's the only one after all? I definitely have a Charmels on R & W demo - it's either 'Please Uncle Sam' or 'Loving Material'. Trouble is, it's buried somewhere in the 'mess' that was once a well-organised and easily-accessed collection. I looked for it the other week to show it in the Complete Charmels/Jeanne and the Darlings CD that I just put together for Kent (out at the end of July, 29 tracks including 7 previously unissued, nearly 80 minutes playing time, fantastic stuff, sales pitch over...) and I couldn't put my hands on it then. If it pitches up when I'm next trawling, I'll scan it and put the scan up here. I think - and I only think, I couldn't be 100% certain - that I've also seen (but don't own) Otis Redding's 'Glory Of Love' on a R&W... Edited June 27, 2012 by TONY ROUNCE
John Reed Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 Slightly off topic, and mentioning the Charmels, where does this demo fit in?
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 Ooo err -nice variation. West Coast? No, the red and whites are west coast (Monarch pressed), or at least the ones that I have are - this one is from, I think, somewhere up north (NB not Manchester or Wigan...) Fortunately I work with the world's greatest expert on pressing plants used by Atlantic. If he hasn't gone to Wimbledon today I'll ask him for details when I get into Ace later on... Shame I didn't have that variation toshow in the Complete Charmels/Jeanne and the Darlings CD that I just put together for Kent (out at the end of July, 29 tracks including 7 previously unissued, nearly 80 minutes playing time, fantastic stuff, blah blah blah, sales pitch over again...)
Garethx Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 That Charmels of John's is pressed at ARP in Michigan. One of the few Volt titles pressed there.
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) That Charmels of John's is pressed at ARP in Michigan. One of the few Volt titles pressed there. Cheers, Gareth, saved me waiting till my colleague is next in. Atlantic used ARP a fair bit in 1967, I have several Atlantic stockers and demos with an AM suffix from that year as well as a handful of stock Stax 45s that were pressed there e.g. Eddie Floyd 'Down Ta My House', Rufus Thomas 'Greasy Spoon' (I think), William Bell 'Eloise', and possibly others that i can't remember without pulling 'em off the shelves and having a butcher's... Edited June 27, 2012 by TONY ROUNCE
Garethx Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 There are some exhaustive threads on Atlantic's mastering and pressing practices on the Steve Hoffman forum. Some of the expertise there, particularly from William Brown, is mind-blowing.
Steve G Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 No, the red and whites are west coast (Monarch pressed), or at least the ones that I have are - this one is from, I think, somewhere up north (NB not Manchester or Wigan...) Am going to have to check again Tony as I thought my R&W was vinyl....will let everyone know laters.
Kris Holmes Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 Am going to have to check again Tony as I thought my R&W was vinyl....will let everyone know laters. monarch did press both styrene and vinyl.
Steve G Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 monarch did press both styrene and vinyl. Cheers mine is West Coast - delta 65063.
Steve G Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 So have we established whether there are more than 2 of the red US ones, beyond the two we've already identified? To be honest personally am more interested in the red US presses rather than Jamaica, Bahamas, Trinidad or anywhere else.
Denbo Posted July 24, 2012 Author Posted July 24, 2012 So have we established whether there are more than 2 of the red US ones, beyond the two we've already identified? To be honest personally am more interested in the red US presses rather than Jamaica, Bahamas, Trinidad or anywhere else. Me too Ste BUT, acknowledgement of the 'others' helps the less well informed, like my good self, realise what it is that they might have. Don't you think? Btw, what were the two 'established' red US presses? Sorry for being so lazy.
Steve G Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 2 x Mad Lads. I think Tony Rounce also thought he had a R&W Charmels. Presumably "Please Uncle Sam"? See you tomorrow.
Denbo Posted July 24, 2012 Author Posted July 24, 2012 2 x Mad Lads. I think Tony Rounce also thought he had a R&W Charmels. Presumably "Please Uncle Sam"? See you tomorrow. Which ones?
Steve G Posted July 24, 2012 Posted July 24, 2012 Read the thread Denbo, what did yer last servant die of :lol: 1
Denbo Posted July 24, 2012 Author Posted July 24, 2012 Read the thread Denbo, what did yer last servant die of :lol: Boredom.
Steve G Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 would still love to see a pic of one of these r/w mad lads demos..... Hi Kris, If no one else obliges will post one up at the weekend when I get a mo. Steve
45cellar Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 TOPIC SPLIT - CONTENT MERGED WITH >>> <<< U.S. VOLT DEMOS Continues
Steve G Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) Right, here's a red and white US Volt as promised. Edited July 29, 2012 by Steve G 1
Kris Holmes Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Right, here's a red and white US Volt as promised. far out, looks so weird!! 1
Denbo Posted July 29, 2012 Author Posted July 29, 2012 far out, looks so weird!! Which is one of the reasons I started the thread in the first place.
45cellar Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 I notice that the VOLT 143 RED / WHITE has VLT-11419-MO and as already mentioned a MONARCH press. Was it MONARCH that decided to have a Coloured DEMO rather than Black / White. It does happen with other labels where the WEST COAST MONARCH is coloured. Some MONARCH DEMOs are incredibly hard to find like the GORDY DEMOs. They are out there but finding them is Virtually Impossible. VLT-12034-BW VLT-12034-PL This DEMO has just arrived, got me wondering.
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 ...the one at the top is very interesting, Rog'. Consenus here in the office is that nobody has ever seen a Bestway-pressed Stax or Volt single before...
45cellar Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 Thanks TONY, I do collect Label Variations as you know. That will be another pressing plant then regarding THE CHARMELS Posted Earlier. VOLT 155 - THE CHARMELS VLT-13475AM
Guest Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 That red'n'white demo is very cool No other reason for posting the Colette Kelly other than it is such a great track 2
Weingarden Posted August 26, 2012 Posted August 26, 2012 I have a red-and-white Bobby Wilson somewhere. Has that been mentioned? This thread is confusing.
45cellar Posted August 26, 2012 Posted August 26, 2012 The suggestion is that your Bobby Wilson Red / White VOLT DEMO (if it is from U.S.A.) Should be a Styrene Monarch Press with a Delta Number in the Deadwax.
Kris Holmes Posted August 27, 2012 Posted August 27, 2012 What's the story with this 4 track 7"? weird, would expect the later era volt sleeve to be a mismatch & that it should have had a picture sleeve originally? Most of the other Stax jukebox EP's I've seen had small spindle holes. I've had the Dock Of The Bay EP but it's different to the one you posted.
Guest ineptmod45 Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 What's the story with this 4 track 7"? this is a Canadian juke box single, it came with a really flimsy paper sleeve. Does anybody have a list of the mini juke box albums released in the US? I have a few but would love to find some more
Kris Holmes Posted August 29, 2012 Posted August 29, 2012 this is a Canadian juke box single, it came with a really flimsy paper sleeve. Does anybody have a list of the mini juke box albums released in the US? I have a few but would love to find some more ah, hadn't thought of the canadian option.....
ricticman Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 That red'n'white demo is very cool No other reason for posting the Colette Kelly other than it is such a great track Was just reading up this thread [ I know it's 3 years old, it's a slow day ! ], and realised this demo is black and white, and I have a blue and white copy, without the ' promotional copy not for sale ' words, but has the same ' plug side ' words on the ' long and lonely world ' side. I know this is obvious to someone on here, but be great if someone could explain.....or refer me to a previous thread ?Many thankspete
John Reed Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Was just reading up this thread [ I know it's 3 years old, it's a slow day ! ], and realised this demo is black and white, and I have a blue and white copy, without the ' promotional copy not for sale ' words, but has the same ' plug side ' words on the ' long and lonely world ' side. I know this is obvious to someone on here, but be great if someone could explain.....or refer me to a previous thread ?Many thankspeteSometimes there wasn't a uniform template so different pressing plants had different designs. Regarding the "Plug Side", "Long And Lonely World" was the official A-Side. If you look at the plate number LALW is VO-0189-PL whereas City Of Fools is VO-0190-PL
45cellar Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 The suggestion is that your Bobby Wilson Red / White VOLT DEMO (if it is from U.S.A.) Should be a Styrene Monarch Press with a Delta Number in the Deadwax.Just adding to Information from 3 Years ago. Here are the scans as I have since found a copy for my collection.It is the next number on from The Mad Lads Red & White pictured earlier in the thread.By no means an easy find are these Red & White DEMOs. 2
Mal C Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 wow, that Bobby Wilson is the business on red / white...
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