Lee Andrews vs The Vibrations

[Dave Moore]

Has anyone any provenance in reference to:

The Vibrations - Gonna Get Along without You Now - OKeh (March 1966)

and

Lee Andrews - Neverthless - Crimson (1967)

Lee Andrews and The Hearts - Can't Do Without You - Lost Night

Different writers, different publisher? but same song.

Obviously the link between the two Lee Andrews songs is there but anyone know how the song came to be retitled and recorded by Lee Andrews under a different writers credit?

Any help appreciated.

Regards,

Dave

[Tiberius]

On Crimson there were strangely no writing or production credits just the publishers Le-Mar Music. Whereas Lost Nite credits "Lemar Corp." rather than "M Kellem" (I assume to be Manny Kellem - the producer on the Vibrations 45), so it could be Manny is connected to Le Mar, or is Mannys own publishing company ie. he's the owner, or else something happened regarding rights/ownership between the writer and publishing company. There's a clipon youtube showing Never The Less on Lost Nite 1001- [media=]

which appears to show different credits again.

Non of the above answers the original question........sorry!

Edited June 18, 2012 by tiberius

[Guest TONY ROUNCE]

'Gonna Get Along Without Ya Now' was indeed written by M Kellem - only that's Milton Kellem, not his younger brother Manny Kellem.

The lyrics of the VIbrations/Lee Andrews song are almost completely different to Milton Kellem's song, which is the one that was a hit for Patience and Prudence in the 1950s and again for Viola Wills in the late 70s. The only line the songs have in common is 'I Got Along Without Ya Before I Met Ya, Gonna Get Along Without Ya Now'.

I believe that the Vibrations songs was actually written by members of the group, and that 'M Kellem' appears under the title due to an administrative error in the Columbi/Okeh origination department. Either that or Manny Kellem insisted that his brother was credited as sole composer, regardless of the fact that the group only used one line of his song.

Both the Vibrations and Lee Andrews & the Hearts worked out of Philly. It's possible that the latter recorded it as 'Can't Do Without You' so that Milton Kellem would be pushed out of the royalties picture.

[Dave Moore]

OK - Thanks for the contributions guys.

The weave of mid 60s music business credits eh?. Hustle upon hustle.

The Lost Nite version of Nevertheless is the only 45 with credits for that particular song. The backing track is the same as the other two songs that are identical but the credits conflict on those too.

If anyone comes across this thread in the future and can thrown any light on any provenance of the credits I'd be grateful.

Regards,

Dave