Sebastian Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) According to my close friend Bobby Jay, Chuck Wood, Al Wilson and Rubin are JR Bailey......if not, Vernon Harrell. OK, just so I get this right: Your friend Bobby Jay says that these three artists... Chuck Wood Al Wilson (!) Rubin ...are infact all records done by J.R. Bailey or Vernon Harrell? None of the 4 sides by Chuck Wood on ROULETTE vocally sounds anything like Vernon Harrell. Edited June 18, 2012 by Sebastian
boba Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Kev, you're not saying that JR Bailey (of the Cadillacs btw) is the "Show and tell" and "The Snake" Al Wilson right? Because that's just not true, Al Wilson died in 2008. JR Bailey died in 2000. Are you saying he's maybe the Wand artist?
Andy Rix Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 ELIZABETH B VANOVER LOCITY MUSIC 1516 HIGH SIERRA DR LAWRENCEVILLE, GA 30243-5753 770) 962-3595 I spoke to his wife years ago and he was no longer with us. She said she had nothing but had licensed the Pet 45 to a UK company Apologies but that should have said I spoke to the wife of the guy who owned Pet Records, not Mrs Moses ...... she had no 45s, paperwork or master tapes Andy
Guest Dave Turner Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Apologies but that should have said I spoke to the wife of the guy who owned Pet Records, not Mrs Moses ...... she had no 45s, paperwork or master tapes Andy Andy, thanks for the clarification. So to my way of thinking unless anything definite about the rumour he died shortly after the Pet release it is still possible the YT clip could be the guy. Or am I still clutching at straws.
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) On a separate note, a well known producer living in Florida feels Lainie Hill,Vala Regan and Jessica James might all be Elaine Hill. Jury's out on that one- ...It certainly isn't - the "verdict" has been in for a long time among girl group collectors. Jessica James is definitely former Angels lead singer Peggy Santiglia. The Outlaws are Denise Ferri, formerly of the Delicates, and Bernadette Carroll. Augmented on 'We'll Be Makin' Out' by Lou Christie, no less. Peggy recorded under lots of different aliases e.g. Tiffany Michel and Peggy Sans, but not as Lainie Hill or Vala Reegan Edited June 18, 2012 by TONY ROUNCE
Steve G Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Andy, thanks for the clarification. So to my way of thinking unless anything definite about the rumour he died shortly after the Pet release it is still possible the YT clip could be the guy. Or am I still clutching at straws. I think you are not. It sounds like him and so does the guitarist. But then why would anyone post a YT clip of a dead man with a phone number for bookings unless it's a vampire thing they have going?
Steve Foran Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Kev, you're not saying that JR Bailey (of the Cadillacs btw) is the "Show and tell" and "The Snake" Al Wilson right? Because that's just not true, Al Wilson died in 2008. JR Bailey died in 2000. Are you saying he's maybe the Wand artist? A few weeks ago on SS, someone posted that Al Wilson ( Wand) was Jackie Wilsons relative. I think!!
Goldsoul Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 A few weeks ago on SS, someone posted that Al Wilson ( Wand) was Jackie Wilsons relative. I think!! Steve--Read the post. Not that Al Wilson, but the one who recorded for Wand ie Help Me...Northern anthem.
Goldsoul Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) ...It certainly isn't - the "verdict" has been in for a long time among girl group collectors. Jessica James is definitely former Angels lead singer Peggy Santiglia. The Outlaws are Denise Ferri, formerly of the Delicates, and Bernadette Carroll. Augmented on 'We'll Be Makin' Out' by Lou Christie, no less. Peggy recorded under lots of different aliases e.g. Tiffany Michel and Peggy Sans, but not as Lainie Hill or Vala Reegan Good to get your verdict. I'll pass on the info to my good friend Charlie Calello. Edited June 18, 2012 by The Golden 101
boba Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Good to get your verdit. I'll pass on the info to my good friend Charlie Calello. OH SNAP!
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Good to get your verdit. I'll pass on the info to my good friend Charlie Calello. ...This is not my 'verdict'. This information came from 'Jessica' herself. The memory of a man who arranged and conducted hundreds of sessions notwithstanding, she would be the best placed person to know, I feel. Peggy, Bernadette and Denise also back Lou Christie on 'Lightnin' Strikes' and 'Rhapsody In the Rain' as well as several other tracks from Lou's 'Lightnin' Strikes' LP.
Goldsoul Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 ...This is not my 'verdict'. This information came from 'Jessica' herself. The memory of a man who arranged and conducted hundreds of sessions notwithstanding, she would be the best placed person to know, I feel. Peggy, Bernadette and Denise also back Lou Christie on 'Lightnin' Strikes' and 'Rhapsody In the Rain' as well as several other tracks from Lou's 'Lightnin' Strikes' LP. Overwhelming......I must have a lie down. Thanks for the info.
Guest Dave Turner Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) I think you are not. It sounds like him and so does the guitarist. But then why would anyone post a YT clip of a dead man with a phone number for bookings unless it's a vampire thing they have going? Steve, have managed to find circa a dozen references to "King Moses" in the Indianapolis Recorder. A couple from 1977 with the others from 1988/89 Unfortunately his name just appears amongst others who are appearing at local shows, mainly one put on annually by the Recorder itself. No real info at all. Did get a photo from October 1988 which is deffo the same guy as in the Youtube clip Edited June 18, 2012 by Dave Turner
Chris L Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Great thread, there's been a few about Blue Sharks - These things................................ I do realize that this record causes some indignation, eyebrow raising and soul-searching but it does fill that dance floor, that's for sure. Whilst it's not so expensive as it was (around the £400 - 500 mark) it is and remains well sought after. The thread(s) intrigued so much that I a spent a bit of time this weekend digging. Blue Sharks has been a common name for groups but few (if more than 2 ?) have had recordings issued. There was a Belgian group that recorded for Star records in Belgium, just look how similar it is to the Gran Prix label. The Star issue came in a picture sleeve and gave the impression to have been taken on a bridge in New York however the number plate is Belgian. It's not unusual for Belgian groups/artists to go "abroad" to try and get some success, this is a small country with limited possibilities. Anyway I've found the writers and producers and will get to talk to them in a week or 2. Would be great if they all still lived here, maybe they did other soul sessions !! Wonder what's next, Sylvie Vartan - De ma vie ?
Steve G Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Steve, have managed to find circa a dozen references to "King Moses" in the Indianapolis Recorder. A couple from 1977 with the others from 1988/89 Unfortunately his name just appears amongst others who are appearing at local shows, mainly one put on annually by the Recorder itself. No real info at all. Did get a photo from October 1988 which is deffo the same guy as in the Youtube clip Great stuff, he loks the same as in the video clip.....maybe that was from the 80s, we'll have to check the fashions...
Rob Wigley Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Her daughter told me she passed away a few years back. And she'd never received a penny in royalties from any company reissuing the record on cd. But she didn't appear to know or want to know about how to try and claim royalties anyway. Big shame, given what that (IYEWOOML) record means to so many people....
Guest Brett F Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Tony Borders. Recorded for almost the whole of the '60s for an assortment of labels, made some of the most stupendous deep soul 45s ever to come out of the Muscle Shoals area... ....nothing, Other than the belief of a few that he 'might have' come from Texas. Interesting, i thought he would have been known, 'Promise To Myself' is one of my treasured records.
Mal C Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) June Jackson, or HJ Jackson is a guy I've always wanted to contact, obviously cause of his Musette brace of 45's, i was told by Greg Tormo that he had spoken to him in the 8ts early 9ts maybe, but other that that June's just a name on one of my favorite records... add Daphine Williams to that list, I tracked down loads of the Yodi people some years ago, label owner Alan Merry, Gus Thornton, Sharon Clarke, Mark Swansa and I was told Daphine was living in Texas, But that's as far as it got, he was supposed to be a bit of card according to Sharon Clarke. mal Edited June 18, 2012 by Mal.C.
Roburt Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Is this a piccy of the Helen Glover who cut "Just Like That" for Nelber Records ? This Helen Glover was from / performed in Miami from (at least) the mid 60's to late 70's ....
boba Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 June Jackson, or HJ Jackson is a guy I've always wanted to contact, obviously cause of his Musette brace of 45's, i was told by Greg Tormo that he had spoken to him in the 8ts early 9ts maybe, but other that that June's just a name on one of my favorite records... add Daphine Williams to that list, I tracked down loads of the Yodi people some years ago, label owner Alan Merry, Gus Thornton, Sharon Clarke, Mark Swansa and I was told Daphine was living in Texas, But that's as far as it got, he was supposed to be a bit of card according to Sharon Clarke. mal All of the living Yodi people, including Dauphine Williams, have been talked to by the numero group people who did the CD reissue. You can buy the CD and it has extensive liner notes.
Goldsoul Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Kev, you're not saying that JR Bailey (of the Cadillacs btw) is the "Show and tell" and "The Snake" Al Wilson right? Because that's just not true, Al Wilson died in 2008. JR Bailey died in 2000. Are you saying he's maybe the Wand artist? Yes Bob. According to a good source, I am saying the Al Wilson on Wand, Rubin on Kapp and Chuck Wood is JR Bailey.
Goldsoul Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) OK, just so I get this right: Your friend Bobby Jay says that these three artists... Chuck Wood Al Wilson (!) Rubin ...are infact all records done by J.R. Bailey or None of the 4 sides by Chuck Wood on ROULETTE vocally sounds anything like Vernon Harrell. He does sound like JR Bailey though. I'll stick with that, seeing as Bobby remembers the recording at Roulette and was the key DJ on wwrl 1600 in New York 1966/67. Edited June 18, 2012 by The Golden 101
boba Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Yes Bob. According to a good source, I am saying the Al Wilson on Wand, Rubin on Kapp and Chuck Wood is JR Bailey. thanks for clarifying 1
Roburt Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) Bob, a few days ago you asked me about Miami groups I wanted details on (been away watching William Bell, so couldn't answer then) .......... ANYWAY .... My original comment wasn't about any particular group .... but there seem to be lots of male & female Miami / Florida based 60's group that we don't know who the members were or when people came & went in their line-ups. Singers who went solo, such as the likes of Snoopy Dean, Paul Kelly, Annette Snell, Clarence Reid we know about which group they came out of coz they were written about during their solo years ... but lots of other local groups seemed to have very high profiles on the local 'white show room' & 'black' club scene without much of anything being known in detail about them. I know Jeff Leimlich's site contains good info, but there are still big gaps. When I asked about Jerry / Jerri Jones little seemed to be known about her time down in Miami (except the info I got from Jerry Williams who produced her Miami tracks) ...ALSO .... Kim Tolliver was an everpresent on the Miami club scene for a few years but nothing much is known about her time there (she was even billed as Kim Tarver for a few months after a type setters error). Not too much is known about another Cleveland guy that had a group down there; Billy Wells (who fronted the Invaders / Outer Limits). His exploits back up in Cleveland are known about ... but not too much (I believe) after he relocated to Miami. But there are numerous other artists (Helen Glover for instance) and groups I'd like to know more about. Edited June 18, 2012 by Roburt
boba Posted June 19, 2012 Posted June 19, 2012 john, i stopped following that thread, sorry. my friend has a lot of info on billy wells, he recently talked to either billy or someone closely associated with him (I can ask). You are right that it's the same ohio guy as on Sweet Soul. That florida Mercede label just hired him to write and produce for the label. I'm not sure how he got onto Carla but I can ask my friend.
Roburt Posted June 19, 2012 Posted June 19, 2012 Billy Wells seemed to establish himself in Miami at the same time as Kim Tolliver ... Kim was fetched down there by Sam & Dave after performing with the duo on their nationwide Revue Shows. She seems to have liked Miami (what's not to) & settled there, performing solo shows not connected to S&D. Don't know if Kim (long established on the Cleveland club scene) had anything to do with Billy (also long established on the Cleveland club scene) relocating to Miami, but they were good friends back up in Cleveland in the early 60's. 1
Steve G Posted June 19, 2012 Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) Steve, have managed to find circa a dozen references to "King Moses" in the Indianapolis Recorder. A couple from 1977 with the others from 1988/89 Dave your next mission is Fluorescent Smogg from Lousiana/ Alabama Some pictures of them would be nice...I do know that a telegraph pole concert poster featuring them exists too! Edited June 19, 2012 by Steve G
Sebastian Posted June 19, 2012 Posted June 19, 2012 He does sound like JR Bailey though. I'll stick with that, seeing as Bobby remembers the recording at Roulette and was the key DJ on wwrl 1600 in New York 1966/67. Thanks for the clarification, Kev. I don't think Chuck Wood sounds like any of the J.R. Bailey tunes I've heard, but stranger things have happened.
Guest woody no1 Posted June 20, 2012 Posted June 20, 2012 Dave your next mission is Fluorescent Smogg from Lousiana/ Alabama Some pictures of them would be nice...I do know that a telegraph pole concert poster featuring them exists too! yea dave thorley had the poster if my memory serves me right
Chris L Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 I talked to : Chris Bartley Van McCoy's half-sister Shelby Singleton Chris Jackson David Kapralik All had memories of him but couldn't help any further. Chris Bartley said that Tony Talent was a real singer and not VMc under a different name, apparently he was a 13 year old protege of VMc. BTW Chris Jackson was well mental and off his rocker when we talked No, he sung other people's material but did most with VMc. Maybe the Shrinettes on SS could shed some light on him, hopefully it's the same BR who recorded on that label. Another artist that recorded on Vando was Art Robins, he's still around living in Syracuse, you can actually see him on YouTube singing live, old soul numbers. Not even his son knows much about him............
boba Posted June 27, 2012 Posted June 27, 2012 Dave your next mission is Fluorescent Smogg from Lousiana/ Alabama Some pictures of them would be nice...I do know that a telegraph pole concert poster featuring them exists too! my friend andy talked to all the members of flourescent smogg
Steve G Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 (edited) Yes Bob. According to a good source, I am saying the Al Wilson on Wand, Rubin on Kapp and Chuck Wood is JR Bailey. Hi, surprising as I always thought Rubin was white But I'd certainly buy Al Wilson = JR Bailey who co-wrote "help me" with Johnnie Northern. Probably something they knocked out in a morning..... Edited June 30, 2012 by Steve G
Guest gordon russell Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 Hi, surprising as I always thought Rubin was white But I'd certainly buy Al Wilson = JR Bailey who co-wrote "help me" with Johnnie Northern. Probably something they knocked out in a morning..... steve......i,ve heard your dj spots.........sounds like theres a lot of artists you know nowt about lol :lol:
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