How Big A 'no-No' Is This? Valentinos On Chess. Condition

[Guest Brooky]

How big a 'No-No' is this????? Valentinos on Chess. Condition.

Given that this regularly sells for between £120 and £150....this one is described as Mint- and probably is in terms of both vinyl and labels....EXCEPT....for the obvious.

Forgetting the adage of 'worth what someone's prepared to pay' etc....in a sensible world, what should a flaw like this take off a sale value?

Subjective I accept...but would like to hear SS's thoughts.

[Pete S]

I'd probably ask £40 - £50 for that.

[kevinsoulman]

I'd probably ask £40 - £50 for that.

its at £58 already if its crayon it will carefully rub out otherwise agree with pete

kev

[boba]

That WOL means different things to different buyers. I would stick it on ebay and let the people that don't care about the WOL bid on it and the people that do care think the bidders are stupid. It removes any agency on your part.

[Guest Brooky]

I suspect that this will go for somewhere near the usual price because of the otherwise near Mint condition and generally the price for it seems to be on the up. Personally, I can forgive wol like this on an otherwise tip-top condition 45 up to a point. I have a snipe in on it but I suspect it will still make $150+ and so I won't win by a considerable margin.

That said my bid will probably be more than most would pay for it.....

Wish it WAS yours Pete S....I'd snatch your hand off at £50.

I assure you it's not mine by the way!!!!!

[Pete S]

I suspect that this will go for somewhere near the usual price because of the otherwise near Mint condition and generally the price for it seems to be on the up. Personally, I can forgive wol like this on an otherwise tip-top condition 45 up to a point. I have a snipe in on it but I suspect it will still make $150+ and so I won't win by a considerable margin.

That said my bid will probably be more than most would pay for it.....

Wish it WAS yours Pete S....I'd snatch your hand off at £50.

I assure you it's not mine by the way!!!!!

Got to be honest, if I was buying for myself I wouldn't touch a record with writing on the label like that, I'd rather wait til a decent one comes along, regardless of vinyl condition. It's a bit like buying a British record with the middle knocked out, I just wouldn't be interested in it.

[Ernie Andrews]

Why do people do this! write on the sleeve or mark the deadwax!

[boba]

Got to be honest, if I was buying for myself I wouldn't touch a record with writing on the label like that, I'd rather wait til a decent one comes along, regardless of vinyl condition. It's a bit like buying a British record with the middle knocked out, I just wouldn't be interested in it.

Personally I would rather have a mint record with a red circle on the label on one side than a trashed record with clean labels. Everybody values different things with respect to the record. If I were set saleing this I would knock maybe $50 off the regular price. Obviously the WOL makes a bigger difference to Pete which is why he would sell it much cheaper.

[Glynthornhill]

To prove it belongs to them . Remember when I was D J ing @ school discos back in the mid 70 's every one marked their own vinyl with initials or some other means ...

[Steve L]

I wouldn't buy it full stop!

[Guest allnightandy]

Personally I would rather have a mint record with a red circle on the label on one side than a trashed record with clean labels. Everybody values different things with respect to the record. If I were set saleing this I would knock maybe $50 off the regular price. Obviously the WOL makes a bigger difference to Pete which is why he would sell it much cheaper.

I have many Okeh demo's that came from radio stations in the states , some have been scrawled on with black felt tip some are written on and some are date stamped , it does not affect the music one bit

In MO it adds to the history and character of that individual record

[Kris Holmes]

i don't mind it, just adds some mojo to it as long as it plays clean.

[Guest Matt Male]

I'd be playing the excellent flip side, so no one would ever see the scribble.

[Chris L]

There is no such thing as the correct or right price for a NS record. It's probably going to sell for about $80 - 100. But who knows , Maybe someone really wants it (shock-horror even two) and they'll bid till they get it.

I've seen Chubby Checkers on UK C-P go all within 2 months of each other from £122 to £510 - the truth is, you just don't know...........

[Pete S]

I have many Okeh demo's that came from radio stations in the states , some have been scrawled on with black felt tip some are written on and some are date stamped , it does not affect the music one bit

In MO it adds to the history and character of that individual record

But they'd be better without them, and if they had concentric circles on like this Valentinos you'd surely look for better ones? This isn't writing on the label like a name or a radio station number, it's a disaster.

[Guest sharmo 1]

To prove it belongs to them . Remember when I was D J ing @ school discos back in the mid 70 's every one marked their own vinyl with initials or some other means ...

when going through box's of records there's alway's some with biroed love hearts on with "Shaz and Dave" and with a lot of Jamaican stuff a hell of a lot have thing's like "king sound" or "prince boss disco " ect written on them .Two strange thing's from my collection both my Eric Mercury and Paris have identicle "S.H." written on them they both look like they have been written by the same person with the same pen also strange as they are also my inisuals (spelling?) wouldn't have thought that this would ave made any differance to the value of them though regards Simon.

[davidwapples]

if it was just to dj with and was cheap enough then it doesnt matter , if it was for my own collection it would depend on how hard the record is to find and the difference in price between the value and the sellers price

the cheaper i can buy records , the more i can buy

[Pete S]

when going through box's of records there's alway's some with biroed love hearts on with "Shaz and Dave" and with a lot of Jamaican stuff a hell of a lot have thing's like "king sound" or "prince boss disco " ect written on them .Two strange thing's from my collection both my Eric Mercury and Paris have identicle "S.H." written on them they both look like they have been written by the same person with the same pen also strange as they are also my inisuals (spelling?) wouldn't have thought that this would ave made any differance to the value of them though regards Simon.

The thing is with the Jamaican stuff, and especially UK label Reggae, they are that hard to get now that people tend to take them in any shape and form rather than wait for a mint copy to come along, I will take UK reggae labels with no centres, I wouldn't with UK Northern, reason being, the Northern will come around again quick enough. That would also apply to a relatively common record like the Valentinos above, 2 weeks time, another will come along without that writing on the label. But if it's something you're never going to see again, at least not for a long time, buy it.

[Guest sharmo 1]

The thing is with the Jamaican stuff, and especially UK label Reggae, they are that hard to get now that people tend to take them in any shape and form rather than wait for a mint copy to come along, I will take UK reggae labels with no centres, I wouldn't with UK Northern, reason being, the Northern will come around again quick enough. That would also apply to a relatively common record like the Valentinos above, 2 weeks time, another will come along without that writing on the label. But if it's something you're never going to see again, at least not for a long time, buy it.

Pete your absolutly right mate I've bought Jamaican thing's with writing on and no centres and still waiting for better copies see ya mate regards Simon.

[Guest chorleybloke]

Like most of us, I used to identify my records in some way but even as a 15 year old I tried to do it discretely as if I knew it was somehow wrong. Nowadays I'm only really interested in spotless labels but would still pay about 70 quid for this until a gleaming white demo got listed!

Cheers......Pete

[Guest allnightandy]

It finally went for £111.89p

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380444587848?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

[boba]

I don't think it was unreasonable. A mint record that just has a red circle drawn in pen on it -- it did go for much less than book or the going price.

[Geeselad]

I brought this one up last week, cant believe how much this item sells for, i found one on berwick st market in the mid 8ts, when it was around in abundance @ 20ish, just camt bring my self to folk out for it, though its a great floor filling oldie i could deffo use.

[Guest Brooky]

The Valentinos are popular.........I know the Promo commands a slightly higher price but WOL seems to be no problem........this one is at $300 with two days still to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited June 16, 2012 by Brooky

[Dave Pinch]

The Valentinos are popular.........I know the Promo commands a slightly higher price but WOL seems to be no problem........this one is at $300 with two days still to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now that is expensive

[boba]

I brought this one up last week, cant believe how much this item sells for, i found one on berwick st market in the mid 8ts, when it was around in abundance @ 20ish, just camt bring my self to folk out for it, though its a great floor filling oldie i could deffo use.

There are a lot of more common records that sell for more money. Supply and demand.

[Dylan]

this is a brilliant oldie and I wouldn't let that mark on the label put me off too much.

possibly I would bid 25% less than my bid amount if it were mint.

[Guest MrC]

I don't care about writing on the labels or condition of the labels at all really, as long as the labels are on, and you can see the important stuff, as long as they sound ok that's fine, and as it makes them more affordable, even better.

I buy records to play, not to take out and look at how beautiful they are every now and again! Of course, if they look great, AND sound great, even better, but surely, apart from the people who do just buy stuff to 'own' it, the sound is the most important thing?

Records aren't ornaments!

Hmmmm..... maybe i should have some badges and T-shirts made, that would be a good slogan........

[Chris L]

There are a lot of more common records that sell for more money. Supply and demand.

In London in the early 70s there boxes of these, honest, nobody wanted it "played out" was the term along with Darkest Days

[Pete S]

I don't care about writing on the labels or condition of the labels at all really, as long as the labels are on, and you can see the important stuff, as long as they sound ok that's fine, and as it makes them more affordable, even better.

I buy records to play, not to take out and look at how beautiful they are every now and again! Of course, if they look great, AND sound great, even better, but surely, apart from the people who do just buy stuff to 'own' it, the sound is the most important thing?

Records aren't ornaments!

Hmmmm..... maybe i should have some badges and T-shirts made, that would be a good slogan........

People collect records for different reasons. Some might collect a label, and have to buy inferior releases on that label that they will never even play, in order to get the set. So records aren't always bought to be played.

As I mentioned a few weeks back, I'd never consider buying a UK label record which has had it's middle knocked out.

Horses for courses.

As for the Valentinos - I rate it as one of the best Northern records ever, but I'd rather have a £10 pressing to play than an original with writing on the label.

Edited June 20, 2012 by Pete S

[Guest MrC]

People collect records for different reasons. Some might collect a label, and have to buy inferior releases on that label that they will never even play, in order to get the set. So records aren't always bought to be played.

As I mentioned a few weeks back, I'd never consider buying a UK label record which has had it's middle knocked out.

Horses for courses.

As for the Valentinos - I rate it as one of the best Northern records ever, but I'd rather have a £10 pressing to play than an original with writing on the label.

I can understand the not buying british with a knocked out centre, but i can't see why you'd want a £10 pressing with, probably, inferior sound, with a badly photocopied label (in a lot of cases - "sweeter" being a case in point - ask Chris L - he has one for sale on ebay!), over an original with tatty labels!

As for people collecting labels, they may not listen to them, but how often do they actually take them out and look at them? It is nice to have a 'set' and them all be lovely, but personally, that's not why I buy records, and I couldn't afford to collect stuff I was never going to play OR look at either!

My opinion of course, and no one elses!

[Pete S]

I can understand the not buying british with a knocked out centre, but i can't see why you'd want a £10 pressing with, probably, inferior sound, with a badly photocopied label (in a lot of cases - "sweeter" being a case in point - ask Chris L - he has one for sale on ebay!), over an original with tatty labels!

As for people collecting labels, they may not listen to them, but how often do they actually take them out and look at them? It is nice to have a 'set' and them all be lovely, but personally, that's not why I buy records, and I couldn't afford to collect stuff I was never going to play OR look at either!

My opinion of course, and no one elses!

I see no difference between a "badly photocopied label" and an original which has been defaced. Valentinos sound quality is perfect on the pressing.

What are all these "badly photocopied label" bootlegs anyway?

Edited June 20, 2012 by Pete S

[Guest MrC]

I see no difference between a "badly photocopied label" and an original which has been defaced. Valentinos sound quality is perfect on the pressing.

What are all these "badly photocopied label" bootlegs anyway?

1. ones an original..... and one isnt!

2. The Valentinos pressings for a start! - and you know there are more Pete, enough of them have passed through your hands over the years..... and don't get me started on Demos that are only 'Not For Sale' because someone painstakingly applied thos letters to a label using letraset transfers!