Patti & The Emblems Demo

[Northern Soul Uk]

Hi fellow soulsters!

I have had this question on 'The Sharp End of Vinyl' but had nothing really conclusive.

I have just purchased a demo of 'Patti & The Emblems - I'm gonna love you a long long time' and I am trying to get confirmation that it is an original demo or not.

The runout on the 'Gonna love you....' side has 'K-11127-4' scratched into the vinyl, and the 'My hearts so full.....' side has 'K-11126-4'. It has a red 'A' on the 'Gonna love you.....' side.

Here is an image of the exact record. Is it real? I have never owned a real copy so need the experts help.

Thank you

[Dave Moore]

Real 'un I reckon.

But check your deadwax. Mine has 11126-1 and 11127-2

Regards,

Dave

[Simsy]

We had a thread on just this a few years back, I remember Pikey mentioning 'Crayola' on the Kapp logo.

Will go off and have a search....

[Benji]

Looks like my original. Boot has black "A" from what I remember.

[Simsy]

We had a thread on just this a few years back, I remember Pikey mentioning 'Crayola' on the Kapp logo.

Will go off and have a search....

Taken from old thread. Thinks this was a boot, most (boots) should have black A's though.

Pretty sure your one's real Steve.

[Dave Moore]

Doesn't bootleg have a Monarch Delta #?

Regards,

Dave

[Northern Soul Uk]

This is the closest photo I could get of the run out number.

Same on the other side but replace the 7 with a 6

Edited May 30, 2012 by Steve Luigi

[Northern Soul Uk]

Taken from old thread. Thinks this was a boot, most (boots) should have black A's though.

Pretty sure your one's real Steve.

I reckon that is an orig but with the logo coloured in? Strange! But I also have an obvious boot, and the title and artist text is off centre (not in the middle in relation to the hole), and the 'A' is black? and the matrix etc. is different of course. Debatable really. it's the red 'A' that throws you, unless someone is a dab hand with stencils. Edited May 30, 2012 by Steve Luigi

[Steve Foran]

Is not the run out groove very wide as well on the boot.

[Benji]

My rule of thumb was/is that the big "A" is black on the boot and red on the original. But are also red "A" boots around?

[Northern Soul Uk]

Is not the run out groove very wide as well on the boot.

The run out groove on my obvious boot is quite a bit wider then this one.

[Simsy]

I reckon that is an orig but with the logo coloured in?

Yes I think so.

[Northern Soul Uk]

So! would the general consensus be that mine is an original?

[Geeselad]

it came out with the red A on the other side as well, that being the rarer demo.

[Simsy]

So! would the general consensus be that mine is an original?

I'd say so Steve.

[Northern Soul Uk]

I'd say so Steve.

Thanks matey. Right place, right time, wrongly listed

[Steve Foran]

I would say it IS original, since you have a boot with the wider run out groove as well.

[The Yank]

I checked my demo and mine has K-11127-3 for the "I'm Gonna Love You..." side and K-11126-3 for the "My Heart's..." side.

The Red A is on the "My Heart's ... " side. There's also a T1 in the dead wax.

So- what's the consensus- real or boot ???

[Guest DELORENZO]

Just checked mine, Gonna love is the red A side with the K-11127-2 matrix, and My Hearts is K 11126-1, So why the matrix change of 3 and 4, and with Steve's the 4 both sides ???

[Chris L]

I checked my demo and mine has K-11127-3 for the "I'm Gonna Love You..." side and K-11126-3 for the "My Heart's..." side.

The Red A is on the "My Heart's ... " side. There's also a T1 in the dead wax. So- what's the consensus- real or boot ???

I think you'll find that originally that was the "A" side only after radio play re-released with "A" on Gonna love you............

[Chris L]

Doesn't bootleg have a Monarch Delta #?

Regards,

Dave

Yep...........

[Northern Soul Uk]

This get's curiouser and curiouser??

Think we need DM on the case??

Edited May 30, 2012 by Steve Luigi

[Robbk]

Yours looks to be an original. The most common boot had a black "A", and was made at Monarch in L.A. and has a Delta number in the 103,000s (late 1970s). Not sure if there waqs a red "A" boot, but yours looks real and your Matrix numbers are original, as far as I know (at least on one 1960s issue).

[Northern Soul Uk]

Yours looks to be an original. The most common boot had a black "A", and was made at Monarch in L.A. and has a Delta number in the 103,000s (late 1970s). Not sure if there waqs a red "A" boot, but yours looks real and your Matrix numbers are original, as far as I know (at least on one 1960s issue).

Thank you RobbK, Maybe one day I can draw a line under this mystery? Maybe it is the case that some were pressed at different plants, hence the slightly different matrix numbers? I don't know whether 'Kapp' used more than one pressing plant, maybe someone on here will know that.

I am quite satisfied now that mine is an original Demo, and for the price I paid for it, I think I have acquired the bargain of the century.

Thanks again.

Steve

[sepia]

Mine has red A on im gonna love you side with k 11127-2 & k 11127-1 on other.

i once got a mint copy for $20 out of discovery record magazine from the states,years ago.

was the other side listed but had a manship list @ hand with all details & was the right one.sold it to a guy in sweden for £100(sold alot to sweden late 90s.was constant yellow packages in the post full of money,lol),just before the price starting shooting up to £400.

[Northern Soul Uk]

Bet you wished you had have kept them now :-)

If anyone is interested I might decide to sell this one now I can say I have had one.

[Tezza]

Hi Steve,

What did it knock you back, if you don't mind me asking ??

Tezza

[Northern Soul Uk]

Hi Steve,

What did it knock you back, if you don't mind me asking ??

Tezza

Don't really want to reveal the price to be honest, but it was a REAL bargain. As I mentioned above, Right place, Right time, Wrongly listed. Edited May 31, 2012 by Steve Luigi

[Tezza]

Nice when that happens. No problem matey. Just wanted to know what I would be expected to shell out for one - Have to sell the car ?!?!

[Benji]

Nice when that happens. No problem matey. Just wanted to know what I would be expected to shell out for one - Have to sell the car ?!?!

about 250 I'd say. Demand peaked a few years ago tho it still packed the floor whenever I've heard it more recently.

[Northern Soul Uk]

Yeah they have sold for £450, but yeah I'd say £250-300 now. and yes, when I play my Ahem!! (boot) out, it is still definitely a floor filler no doubt

Edited May 31, 2012 by Steve Luigi

[Tezza]

Thanks guys. With all the info from this thread I think there's little chance of getting ripped off.

[Northern Soul Uk]

Thanks guys. With all the info from this thread I think there's little chance of getting ripped off.

That's why I asked the experts, either mine was real and a top bargain, or a boot.

It might be an idea maybe for the admins or someone, if possible to collect and catagorise info like this, so that anyone wanting to know about certain records could just go to that instead of having to start a new topic.

A lot of work I know, but would be invaluable. Or maybe start a new forum so that this sort of info can be entered manually by 'SS' members.

Edited June 1, 2012 by Steve Luigi

[Robbk]

Thank you RobbK, Maybe one day I can draw a line under this mystery? Maybe it is the case that some were pressed at different plants, hence the slightly different matrix numbers? I don't know whether 'Kapp' used more than one pressing plant, maybe someone on here will know that.

I am quite satisfied now that mine is an original Demo, and for the price I paid for it, I think I have acquired the bargain of the century.

Thanks again.

Steve

Kapp DEFINITELY used more than one pressing plant. They had several variations of the same issues. They pressed in L.A., on The East Coast, and in The Midwest.

[Northern Soul Uk]

Ah! Thought that may be the case, that probably solves the slightly different matrix numbers on the same release.

There seems to be quite a few variations of the same vinyl according to posts earlier on in this thread, I hope that

you information RobbK will put other minds at rest too.

Steve

[sepia]

same with helen troy i think i love you.seen 3 different us label variations.

[Benji]

It might be an idea maybe for the admins or someone, if possible to collect and catagorise info like this, so that anyone wanting to know about certain records could just go to that instead of having to start a new topic.

A lot of work I know, but would be invaluable. Or maybe start a new forum so that this sort of info can be entered manually by 'SS' members.

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/forum/56-the-sharp-end-of-vinyl/

[Dave Moore]

That's why I asked the experts, either mine was real and a top bargain, or a boot.

It might be an idea maybe for the admins or someone, if possible to collect and catagorise info like this, so that anyone wanting to know about certain records could just go to that instead of having to start a new topic.

A lot of work I know, but would be invaluable. Or maybe start a new forum so that this sort of info can be entered manually by 'SS' members.

That's why I asked the experts, either mine was real and a top bargain, or a boot.

It might be an idea maybe for the admins or someone, if possible to collect and catagorise info like this, so that anyone wanting to know about certain records could just go to that instead of having to start a new topic.

A lot of work I know, but would be invaluable. Or maybe start a new forum so that this sort of info can be entered manually by 'SS' members.

Just so people who are maybe not aware:Much of this type of info is already available on the site through Roger's "Sharp End Of Vinyl". Great asset that is building daily.

Regards,

Dave

[Northern Soul Uk]

Excellent! I will take it on myself to add this information to that forum for the use of anyone needing info on this record in the future.

Ah! maybe not then as it doesn't give you the option to start a new thread to add info.

Edited June 1, 2012 by Steve Luigi

[Chalky]

Steve and anyone else. Roger looks after The Sharp End of Vinyl. Only he has the ability to start topics. It is basically an archive of all the useful info discussed on here. There are links to all the topics, labels, artist etc we have already discussed. Any new topics discussed that have invaluable info will be moved in to the Sharp End.

It might be worth a quick search or look in there to see if the info you want isn't already there.

You can still contribute to topics in there though.

[Chalky]

Link to the previous topic discussed about his 45 that is archived in The Sharp End....

People mention this guide and that guide but you have a fantastic guide right here, built up by the members but it is very under-rated and it oul seem under used at times IMO.

I will get Roger to merge this topic and the archived one.

[Northern Soul Uk]

I have now sumerised the above discussion, including a final synopsis, on the following link should anyone

need this information in future

[Northern Soul Uk]

After much deliberation I have decided to sell this demo.

If anyone is interested the link is in the eBay sales forum.

[Chris L]

it came out with the red A on the other side as well, that being the rarer demo.

 

The "B" side 'My heart's so full of you' was in fact originally the "A" side

[Kempy]

get an issue,you know it makes sense !