Robbk Posted May 31, 2012 Posted May 31, 2012 But the penalties for bootlegging in the states at that time would have been immense , would they really have taken all that risk just to save a few cents a record ? it's not as if these were massive hits , unlike the Beatles There was almost no chance of the authorities catching these small bootleggers. The "posed" as employees or representatives of the record company whose records they were booting. There was plenty of that going on all through the '50s and '60s. 1
The Tempest Posted May 31, 2012 Posted May 31, 2012 Always loved this track , B' side of above , just love those BIG RED A'S !! 1
Guest posstot Posted June 1, 2012 Posted June 1, 2012 here's the thing, if youre not sure, an original, as we all know it to be, will cost probably 10 and at its highest 20 dollars....Side step this fooker and get a proper one!
Tony A Posted June 1, 2012 Posted June 1, 2012 here's the thing, if youre not sure, an original, as we all know it to be, will cost probably 10 and at its highest 20 dollars....Side step this fooker and get a proper one! Not really bothered, like I posted earlier only payed a dollar when the exchange rate was X 2 so 50P, Don't play it out anywhere. Just curious to know it's background, Any problem wi that ?
Pete S Posted June 1, 2012 Posted June 1, 2012 Always loved this track , B' side of above , just love those BIG RED A'S !! One of the rarest UK demos of all, that one. Beautiful.
Simsy Posted June 1, 2012 Posted June 1, 2012 One of the rarest UK demos of all, that one. Beautiful. You've had one and Mick Smith has one? Just a guess.
Pete S Posted June 1, 2012 Posted June 1, 2012 You've had one and Mick Smith has one? Just a guess. Actually one of the few I've never had. Don't think I'd buy it now anyway, it would be £500 which is crazy for a record that you can get for £10 on a stock copy. Mick does have one, Neil Rushton also.
Robbk Posted June 2, 2012 Posted June 2, 2012 Here's John Manships final post on that earlier thread... richie, I think I can throw some light on this strange press. I've only found this variation in Los Angeles. It was common practice for big hits to be bootlegged by the "backdoor". I mean when this hit the charts someone in L.A. decided to press it and supply the shops, usually from the trunk of a car. I think it's a 60s bootleg or it may have been a legit West Coast press because shipping 1000s of 45s from Detroit to the West Coast would have been very expensive. But there is no New York variation presses of the 45, so my thoughts are it was a 60s boot..and there are quite a few of this type of pressing. Linda Jones - Hypnotized - on Loma vinyl jumps to mind.. john I had one in my hands on my last trip to Allentown, and let's just say that if it wasn't a counterfeit, then I'm a six-foot-plus Adonis with a knob like a Donkey. I go much more with the bootleg theory than with the legit West Coast theory, as Wingate used West Coast plants to press Ric Tic issues, and they looked more like his standard Midwest and Eastern pressings than this anomaly pressing. Someone wanted to get this record out on the streets instantly (which means bootleg or Canadian pressing in an emergency).
dthedrug Posted June 2, 2012 Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) One of the rarest UK demos of all, that one. Beautiful. HI ALL It really is a rare one, but if I had to chose a rare POLYDOR DEMO, It would be JAMO THOMAS - I SPY, FOR THE FBI, I have never owned either, so it's just a personal choice, but which is the rarest? Just read this thread again, and if I am right about Canada as the pressing plant, just as a reminder, if Ranking John remarks about Bootlegs is right, we are talking about a place nearly as far away from Detroit as the UK? Canada on the other hand is inches away, and remember in the STATES a hit record is based on 1st a local hit, 2nd what the septics call a national breakout, so RJM is talking pre NB, and then that makes sense of my CANADIAN press answer? also I can almost guarantee that the RIO COPY was not released at the same time as the RIC-TIC COPY, as we would expect the whole RIC-TIC catalog to have been issued on RIO? does that make sense, the record either way legit or boot, was pressed on the other side of the Atlantic, the USAF supplied the US FORCES with every thing they needed, plus it got a GERMAN RELEASE so why bootleg it, as PETE STATED a great record but very cheap, with the 1 exception, DAVE Edited June 2, 2012 by dthedrug
Guest posstot Posted June 2, 2012 Posted June 2, 2012 Not really bothered, like I posted earlier only payed a dollar when the exchange rate was X 2 so 50P, Don't play it out anywhere. Just curious to know it's background, Any problem wi that ? Attitude is the problem i have....just saying originals are cheap so if you're not sure get a proper one. Got a pwopwem with that!
Chalky Posted June 2, 2012 Posted June 2, 2012 John Manship says a boot, Robb K who would know as much as anyone IMO says it is a boot, that is all that is needed for me personally. As said by the known original. If you want this as a collection filler or whatever then fine as well. 1
Trev Thomas Posted June 2, 2012 Posted June 2, 2012 John Manship says a boot, Robb K who would know as much as anyone IMO says it is a boot, that is all that is needed for me personally. As said by the known original. If you want this as a collection filler or whatever then fine as well. only a fool would argue with john and rob when it comes to things like this
Tony A Posted June 2, 2012 Posted June 2, 2012 Attitude is the problem i have....just saying originals are cheap so if you're not sure get a proper one. Got a pwopwem with that! A You're right here, B Got a proper one as you call it, this was picked up because of price and was curios about the design, C I didn't start the thread, just added I also had a copy, D Got better things to do than get into arguements with a posstot.
Prophonics 2029 Posted June 2, 2012 Posted June 2, 2012 Will compare them over the weekend but the lined copy has allways sounded good even if its a boot.
Chalky Posted June 2, 2012 Posted June 2, 2012 Can we knock the personal stuff on the head! If need to take it further then do so via PM plea. Thank you!!
Pete S Posted June 2, 2012 Posted June 2, 2012 only a fool would argue with john and rob when it comes to things like this I'm a fool then cos I often argue with John over daft things like this - or disagree let's say - for instance, when he said there was no Edward Hamilton Mary jane coloured label boot and I said there was - and there was... 1
Guest posstot Posted June 6, 2012 Posted June 6, 2012 A You're right here, B Got a proper one as you call it, this was picked up because of price and was curios about the design, C I didn't start the thread, just added I also had a copy, D Got better things to do than get into arguements with a posstot. you're the one with the attitude...and i cartainly do have better thingys to do than sit and argue at a pc. But i'm sick of condescending knobheads Like you, who kick shit up then turn it around on other people..me for existance. You weren't even the original poster, and i wasn't even insulting anyone....you D*CK!!
Pete S Posted June 6, 2012 Posted June 6, 2012 you're the one with the attitude...and i cartainly do have better thingys to do than sit and argue at a pc. But i'm sick of condescending knobheads Like you, who kick shit up then turn it around on other people..me for existance. You weren't even the original poster, and i wasn't even insulting anyone....you D*CK!! Kinnell have you been brooding over that for 4 days, let it go, probably a misunderstanding anyway and not worth getting hot under the collar about. I sometimes get migraines when I read things people have said on here and want to reply immediately, I'm that mad, instead I just try to take the p*ss instead of getting into the arguing. I must be mellowing. 1
Guest posstot Posted June 10, 2012 Posted June 10, 2012 Kinnell have you been brooding over that for 4 days, let it go, probably a misunderstanding anyway and not worth getting hot under the collar about. I sometimes get migraines when I read things people have said on here and want to reply immediately, I'm that mad, instead I just try to take the p*ss instead of getting into the arguing. I must be mellowing. No Pete, i wasn't brooding..only seen it a few days later..And sorry, i cant ignore people who try and score points off me...seems to be a lot of people on here like that, unfortunately... I understand what you're saying, i've tried that tactic. It didn't work for me...( as you can tell). lol
Chalky Posted June 10, 2012 Posted June 10, 2012 I presume this was locked by the topic starter? If you are going to lock a topic then can you please say so and maybe a brief reason why just so it avoids any confusion.
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