The Sudden Abundance Of Re-Issues / Boots

[boba]

You need to come over on holiday and spend a month in the East Midlands to really get a flavour of the wider world Bob, you could even guest on Dean Andersons radio show, sure he would be more than happy for you relay your thoughts on the UK Northern world.

haha

I do, however, recognize that people posting on an internet message board, are not necessarily representative of the real world.

[Col Wolfe]

what reissue label do you run?

https://www.spokerecords.co.uk/

[boba]

https://www.spokerecords.co.uk/

interesting, thanks! I hope you become successful.

[Col Wolfe]

interesting, thanks! I hope you become successful.

thanks! it's no more than a hobby at the moment but we licence everything correctly, which slows down the momentum somewhat.

[Mike]

a quick rushed its sunny outside and sick of pcs plug of the front page news feature

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/articles/articles/freebasing/frontpage-news-items-and-articles-r2428

quick and easy way to get word out of new releases etc

[Col Wolfe]

This is a critical point imo. This message board is so elite-DJ and centered around a specific scene that people can't understand who would buy a 45 reissue. In reality the market for these is not really the northern soul attendee or elite northern soul DJ market. There are hundreds of people who buy records, usually in multiple genres... the type of people who shop at dusty groove, for example, and buy all sorts of LP reissues, CDs, etc. Some of these people even DJ. For example, there might be a DJ night at a bar where the DJs play a mix of mod, soul, reggae, played off a mix of originals and reissues, LPs and 45s. It's good that good music is made available to these people and original artists get recognized / paid. Records have an audience beyond a tiny group of elite and wannabe elite DJs on the UK northern soul scene.

we have done a little research on our customer base and it is definitley the younger wave of vinyl enthusiasts buying these i.e. 20 to 30 years age bracket (so considerably younger than the usual soul collector). like our label, they are non-genre specific too, just interested in good sounds.

[Bitchdj]

just thought i would bung in my thruppence worth...i have just been on ebay on buy it nows page after page after endless bloody page of re-issues....closely followed by that popcorn knobhead its bloody 60's pop music i tell ya ! If you wanna buy a bootleg re-issue or wotever please do so and listen to them at home IF you choose to DJ with them why bother? why not put them all on a memory stick and plug in a lappy to the system? same bloody difference get out and buy a bloody original for a tenner and theres plenty to be found that are not in the top 500! stop chasing and playing the same tired out tried and tested tracks get a taste of your own develop your own style play and listen to what you want but perleeze dont inflict bootlegs on the paying public who may have travelled far to hear the stuff...you dont have to be rich to collect originals just have a weird sense of taste little or no sanity and OCD and a bloody opinion of your own not that of the masses....anyone seen my sheep?

[Steve G]

we have done a little research on our customer base and it is definitley the younger wave of vinyl enthusiasts buying these i.e. 20 to 30 years age bracket (so considerably younger than the usual soul collector). like our label, they are non-genre specific too, just interested in good sounds.

Interesting.

I buy / get all new legally issued soul and funk 7s, and am the wrong side of 50, so will be buying yours as well......Steve

[Mike Lofthouse]

This is a critical point imo. This message board is so elite-DJ and centered around a specific scene that people can't understand who would buy a 45 reissue. In reality the market for these is not really the northern soul attendee or elite northern soul DJ market. There are hundreds of people who buy records, usually in multiple genres... the type of people who shop at dusty groove, for example, and buy all sorts of LP reissues, CDs, etc. Some of these people even DJ. For example, there might be a DJ night at a bar where the DJs play a mix of mod, soul, reggae, played off a mix of originals and reissues, LPs and 45s. It's good that good music is made available to these people and original artists get recognized / paid. Records have an audience beyond a tiny group of elite and wannabe elite DJs on the UK northern soul scene.

Do you know I don't think I have read a better post on here for a very long time.

[Steve G]

Do you know I don't think I have read a better post on here for a very long time.

What?

It's an interesting perspective, and perhaps one some of us haven't thought of......but best post for a very long time? Come on Mike, there's better ones every day, Gareth's perspective on the Philly hit maker scene yesterday for example - now that's a very good post. The NE soul scene, another one.....ATB Steve

[Mike Lofthouse]

What?

It's an interesting perspective, and perhaps one some of us haven't thought of......but best post for a very long time? Come on Mike, there's better ones every day, Gareth's perspective on the Philly hit maker scene yesterday for example - now that's a very good post. The NE soul scene, another one.....ATB Steve

Sorry Steve but I said .......' I don't think I have read' ...with I being operative word i.e My opinion , how can you question that?

As it happens I absolutely agree with everything Bob said, just wish I could of put it in such a succinct way (and got away with saying it).

and to prove things are a matter of opinion one of the posts you quote 'as better', contained one of the most ridiculous statements I have read on here in a very long time!!

Mike

[Steve G]

Sorry Steve but I said .......' I don't think I have read' ...with I being operative word i.e My opinion , how can you question that?

As it happens I absolutely agree with everything Bob said, just wish I could of put it in such a succinct way (and got away with saying it).

and to prove things are a matter of opinion one of the posts you quote 'as better', contained one of the most ridiculous statements I have read on here in a very long time!!

Mike

I'll have to re-read them threads then Mike

[Mike Lofthouse]

I'll have to re-read them threads then Mike

I always read Gareth's posts with great interest and did enjoy the one you refer to the other day.

[Guest lostboy23653]

I hear a lot about original artists getting paid,surely this is incorrect in the extreme,artists,only get paid on records made and sold,therefore reissues provided they are legit.are a good thing for artistes.How many artistes though, signed away, which was commen practice,their rights,for a one off payment especially in the early sixties so the main benificiery of the records proceeds was the record company who in most cases have gone out of buisiness or been bought up by global conglomerates such as Sony,and Universal /motown,but how many records when resold via websites such as Ebay, provide income for anyone except the owner of said record,do they give 12.5 % of their proceeds to the artists via the performing arts society,and how many DJ's do the same out of their fees? How many declare their earnings even for tax purposes?I find it slightly odd and slightly pot calling kettle to suggest that by just playing records which are original continues to benefit the artist as to purchase the original now off such sites only benefits the records owner who probably paid a pittance for it in the first place.Now I'm not adverse to profit far from it, but to talk about one thing and walk another is a bit hypocritical.After all when you buy a record it states that,it is for your own use and should not be used for profit away from your own property.,to do so breaches copyright.I think that the main reason why people complain about re-issues is not because of the fact that original protect the artistes interests,but the effect on the resale value of the original if and when the person who owns puts it up for sale?

[Ernie Andrews]

Ok ! Im ready for the slagging!

The Northern soul scene was built on original rare records - we all know that except the wanna be DJs who want the top sounds without putting the effort into it.Hence why they buy the Boots and reissues to gain their 15 minutes of fame as I put it!

If it wasnt built on OVO then what was I doing for hours a day at Global when I was a teenager sifting through thousands of records ? To look for reissues or bootlegs! I think not. The boot leg scene became because of roughly what Pete S said- It was mainly for the youth clubs or to listen to at home.

Bob I'll never understand the Black funk scene in America because I wasnt brought up there or at the time of its height so its not ingrained in my blood but Northern soul is because I lived with it day in day out warts and all. Therefore I dont expect Americans to have the same affinity with the genre.Sorry if thats a challenging statement.

However you will never get rid of the boots reissues because of demand and I agree with Bob in that others outside the scene will buy them for some ecclectic reason! But its the ones played by the Wanna be DJ stars that upset us OVO enthusiasts!

If it doesnt matter then Ive wasted thousands of hours searching / negotiating/ Cleaning/ spending my hard earned cash after deliberating what amount I can afford to go up to for these OVO records when I could just buy these boots and reissues and play them out imagining Ill have the same cred by the punters/other djs as say Johnny Weston - Think again everyone! we have to win hearts and minds and the argument that DJs should only play original Issues/demos & acetates!

Back into my Trench!

[boba]

and to prove things are a matter of opinion one of the posts you quote 'as better', contained one of the most ridiculous statements I have read on here in a very long time!!

Steve's post was pretty funny (even if it wasn't intended that way). Is this a better post Steve? You should do a daily "top 5 posts" list. Then if someone says a post is good you can say "it didn't even make the top 5!"

and yes, garethx's description of the william devaughn / sound gems setup was pretty excellent.

[boba]

Ok ! Im ready for the slagging!

The Northern soul scene was built on original rare records - we all know that except the wanna be DJs who want the top sounds without putting the effort into it.Hence why they buy the Boots and reissues to gain their 15 minutes of fame as I put it!

If it wasnt built on OVO then what was I doing for hours a day at Global when I was a teenager sifting through thousands of records ? To look for reissues or bootlegs! I think not. The boot leg scene became because of roughly what Pete S said- It was mainly for the youth clubs or to listen to at home.

Bob I'll never understand the Black funk scene in America because I wasnt brought up there or at the time of its height so its not ingrained in my blood but Northern soul is because I lived with it day in day out warts and all. Therefore I dont expect Americans to have the same affinity with the genre.Sorry if thats a challenging statement.

However you will never get rid of the boots reissues because of demand and I agree with Bob in that others outside the scene will buy them for some ecclectic reason! But its the ones played by the Wanna be DJ stars that upset us OVO enthusiasts!

If it doesnt matter then Ive wasted thousands of hours searching / negotiating/ Cleaning/ spending my hard earned cash after deliberating what amount I can afford to go up to for these OVO records when I could just buy these boots and reissues and play them out imagining Ill have the same cred by the punters/other djs as say Johnny Weston - Think again everyone! we have to win hearts and minds and the argument that DJs should only play original Issues/demos & acetates!

Back into my Trench!

you are totally entitled to your opinion about what is acceptable on the northern soul scene. I have no authority to determine that. I was just pointing out that the northern scene isn't even the target market for most reissues (bootlegs are another matter). And that some issues of previously unissued material even get played on the scene. Ian Levine played the Renaldo Domino "unreleased" track that numero put out in his mix. What's funny is that now that it's been discovered that it was released, does that mean he violated the OVO rules? Are they enforced retroactively when earlier presses are discovered? If so, what sort of penalty does he face?

[Steve L]

Ok ! Im ready for the slagging!

The Northern soul scene was built on original rare records - we all know that except the wanna be DJs who want the top sounds without putting the effort into it.Hence why they buy the Boots and reissues to gain their 15 minutes of fame as I put it!

If it wasnt built on OVO then what was I doing for hours a day at Global when I was a teenager sifting through thousands of records ? To look for reissues or bootlegs! I think not. The boot leg scene became because of roughly what Pete S said- It was mainly for the youth clubs or to listen to at home.

Bob I'll never understand the Black funk scene in America because I wasnt brought up there or at the time of its height so its not ingrained in my blood but Northern soul is because I lived with it day in day out warts and all. Therefore I dont expect Americans to have the same affinity with the genre.Sorry if thats a challenging statement.

However you will never get rid of the boots reissues because of demand and I agree with Bob in that others outside the scene will buy them for some ecclectic reason! But its the ones played by the Wanna be DJ stars that upset us OVO enthusiasts!

If it doesnt matter then Ive wasted thousands of hours searching / negotiating/ Cleaning/ spending my hard earned cash after deliberating what amount I can afford to go up to for these OVO records when I could just buy these boots and reissues and play them out imagining Ill have the same cred by the punters/other djs as say Johnny Weston - Think again everyone! we have to win hearts and minds and the argument that DJs should only play original Issues/demos & acetates!

Back into my Trench!

Nay to the trenches, its time we went over the top for the big push to end this matter once and for all.

Fix bayonets!!!

[Ernie Andrews]

you are totally entitled to your opinion about what is acceptable on the northern soul scene. I have no authority to determine that. I was just pointing out that the northern scene isn't even the target market for most reissues (bootlegs are another matter). And that some issues of previously unissued material even get played on the scene. Ian Levine played the Renaldo Domino "unreleased" track that numero put out in his mix. What's funny is that now that it's been discovered that it was released, does that mean he violated the OVO rules? Are they enforced retroactively when earlier presses are discovered? If so, what sort of penalty does he face?

Bob that situation is as as rare as Rocking horse dooo dooo because their are so many knowledgeable people on the scene- Its the blatant ones(THose who only want fame at the expense of the original principles of the Northern soul scene) Im commenting about! Ive made the odd mistake in the past because I was out of the scene for a number of years and when I came back I got caught with a boot that Id played out not knowing it was aboot. Its the ones who bloody know what they are up to that infuriates me!

Been talking to Charley Perkins on the phone recently - The discussion about how the record was made really does epitomise what the Northern soul scene was based on! Hope you are well!

Regards Steve

[Steve G]

I'd draw a line between legit reissues and bootlegs....if I may. The two are totally different and yet are getting confused in this discussion.

[boba]

Bob that situation is as as rare as Rocking horse dooo dooo because their are so many knowledgeable people on the scene

there are so many super rare records that stuff comes up all the time that nobody has seen before. Like what about that Flight record that people only knew on SGA and then it was "discovered" (I'm sure some people knew) that it came out on Rocmar? I have an acetate that's a really good female group record. Someone I know found an actual copy of the record, pressed as a real record. I would say every year at least one new killer record in every genre is "discovered" that was not known before.

Either way, I want to avoid getting into an "original vinyl" discussion, I was only making a point about the reissue market. My point doesn't apply to northern bootlegs. Thanks.

[boba]

I'd draw a line between legit reissues and bootlegs....if I may. The two are totally different and yet are getting confused in this discussion.

yes, i was only making a point about legit reissues and the market for them

[Guest lostboy23653]

Riddle me this,if you know the answer,get a million browny points, if not keep watching you may learn something.Which original record that most DJ's have a copy of somewhere in their boxes,is the most bootlegged Northern Soul 45,of which some cannot even tell the difference between the original and the bogus copy.Also which Northern Soul tune was voted the worst ever Northern Soul tune ever committed to Vinyl.Let's see who the Vinyl junkies and anorak's really are?

[Steve G]

Riddle me this,if you know the answer,get a million browny points, if not keep watching you may learn something.Which original record that most DJ's have a copy of somewhere in their boxes,is the most bootlegged Northern Soul 45,of which some cannot even tell the difference between the original and the bogus copy.

Del Larks

Edited May 27, 2012 by Steve G

[Tony Foster]

Riddle me this,if you know the answer,get a million browny points, if not keep watching you may learn something.Which original record that most DJ's have a copy of somewhere in their boxes,is the most bootlegged Northern Soul 45,of which some cannot even tell the difference between the original and the bogus copy.

John & the Weirdest

[Godzilla]

Del Larks

I thought he was on about Epitome of Sound. Not sure if I really see the relevance to this thread either way...

I'm pleased he's come here to teach everybody though. We need a lot more of that kind of attitude.

[Steve G]

Tomangoes

[Alan Bonthrone1]

Gloria Jones And Lea Roye.

[Pete S]

Yes,I have a good collection of original stuff,that's my point,why should I be limited because of my wish to preserve what I've got,to having to play my collection into the ground for semantic reasons.I went to a play at an Alldayer recently and came away minus a copy of, Pigtails by the Impacts which was found to be broken,one came up for sale on a site on Ebay and I bid to the highest I could afford,and was just pipped at the last second out of it.To me that record was priceless,now until I get a replacement I have a hole in my collection,but had I a copy or a reissue then it would not matter.Re-issues and boots serve a purpose.So they make people money,if they save me money and heartache and pain trying to replace an original,if it is a properly licenced copy all the better.

Jeez, I spent a year trying to sell a copy of Pigtails and finally let it go for £25 a month or two ago! Must have listed it on here at least 3 times. Shame our paths didn't cross earlier.

[Guest lostboy23653]

Come on,you are supposed to know something about Nortern Soul, use your thinking caps, the first part should be self evident this will go to show that the premise to the original arguement is bogus but then on your logic everyone should throw the pounds in our pockets away because even by conservative estimates 5% or 10% of our currency, the pound in our pockets is counterfeit and as such shouldn't be used as it will damage the general criteria or status quo, throw it away,the second part of the question was added to see who in fact does know a little about the subject,It was, no I'll give you a clue to both parts,the first initial of the first part rhymes with a slow animal' the second is a part of the body,and something that I have been accused of being at times, and the second came out in1968 and youll find it on a record label that sounds a lot like Nelson'column(criptic clue).Oh and by the way it was on a white radio station demo,so your £25 pounds wouldn't pay for the insurance premium,let alone the record Sorry to be picky

[Guest john s]

Jeez, I spent a year trying to sell a copy of Pigtails and finally let it go for £25 a month or two ago! Must have listed it on here at least 3 times.

And it was a demo!

[Pete S]

Come on,you are supposed to know something about Nortern Soul, use your thinking caps, the first part should be self evident this will go to show that the premise to the original arguement is bogus but then on your logic everyone should throw the pounds in our pockets away because even by conservative estimates 5% or 10% of our currency, the pound in our pockets is counterfeit and as such shouldn't be used as it will damage the general criteria or status quo, throw it away,the second part of the question was added to see who in fact does know a little about the subject,It was, no I'll give you a clue to both parts,the first initial of the first part rhymes with a slow animal' the second is a part of the body,and something that I have been accused of being at times, and the second came out in1968 and youll find it on a record label that sounds a lot like Nelson'column(criptic clue).Oh and by the way it was on a white radio station demo,so your £25 pounds wouldn't pay for the insurance premium,let alone the record Sorry to be picky

I have absolutely no idea what this means.

[Guest allnightandy]

Come on,you are supposed to know something about Nortern Soul, use your thinking caps, the first part should be self evident this will go to show that the premise to the original arguement is bogus but then on your logic everyone should throw the pounds in our pockets away because even by conservative estimates 5% or 10% of our currency, the pound in our pockets is counterfeit and as such shouldn't be used as it will damage the general criteria or status quo, throw it away,the second part of the question was added to see who in fact does know a little about the subject,It was, no I'll give you a clue to both parts,the first initial of the first part rhymes with a slow animal' the second is a part of the body,and something that I have been accused of being at times, and the second came out in1968 and youll find it on a record label that sounds a lot like Nelson'column(criptic clue).Oh and by the way it was on a white radio station demo,so your £25 pounds wouldn't pay for the insurance premium,let alone the record Sorry to be picky

Is the answer a second hand bicycle tyre ? Edited May 28, 2012 by allnightandy

[Guest MrC]

Is the answer a second hand bicycle tyre ?

Life's not always a bicycle Andy, sometimes it's a pizza.

[Guest lostboy23653]

Ok,be flippant,if you can't take a little time and use your brains a little,then what's the point, firstly the question was to keep you interested,secondly, before you quote things such as prices of records,use sites such as,"Popsike," also determine the rareness of the item named,the item I quoted was a numbered radio station copy, which in this case or format is unable to replace(Because it was numbered),had I had a copy of the item and was using it at the time then I would still have the original in my collection,and it would not be being used to fill some landfill somewhere!I'll give you the answers to the riddle.When Ian Levine,introduced Morris Chestnut,"Too Darn Soulful," at Blackpool Mecca on Amy, some years later this record became the most bootlegged song o the Northern Soul circuit, so much so that it affected the sales on a legitimate copy brought out on licence by Grapevine Records, which usually at that times added up to approx 1000-5000 records per issue,most of these copies came on the Renfro label,when asked why not sue the legal owners of the licence said it would cost too much money to follow that course because of the number of people involved and the sheer quantity of the bootlegs concerned, Over the years even bootlegs of the Amy issue have appeared and have been sold as originals as are copies of the Renfro edition still being sold and bought,by DJ's and punters alike.The second part again, is not too hard, the label is Monument, the record is by,The Contrasts,and although voted as the worst Northern Soul single of all time,"What A Day," when I need a pickme up I put this on my turntable and remember when I got my white starred label and although it wasn't and still is not that expensive,not many people seem to have heard it or know of it's noteriety.

[Pete S]

before you quote things such as prices of records,use sites such as,"Popsike,"

Popsike quotes auction prices, not 'real' prices, if two people want the same record then a bidding war takes place and the record sells for double it's real value.

That's why popsike or John Manship auctions are not accurate guides for pricing records.

[pikeys dog]

Lostboy? Lost Marbles, more like.

Edited May 28, 2012 by pikeys dog

[Mike Lofthouse]

Ok,be flippant,if you can't take a little time and use your brains a little,then what's the point, .

It would be good if you could use a full stop now and then !!

[Bitchdj]

at the end of the day all i can see is a ranting individual trying to justify DJing with bootlegs but what must not be forgotten is that at some point a DJ somewhere played out many of the top 500 choons as an unknown they took the time to find it...had the faith to play it and make it work and DJ's of today are still probing in the darkest corners for new ORIGINAL choons to play out its what makes the scene great if we could all just play bootlegs then by god wouldnt we all be fabulous jocks? and the masses would flock to see us play out...erm NO they would not cos they may as well go to the local village hall to hear joe bloggs play the best of the best on bootlegs no need to travel to hear anything nobody would be exciting anymore...no more would our ears prick up with a an exclamation of " wow what the f**k is that? and where can i get a copy?" my son DJ's drum & bass ( tuneless shite IMO)but people come to see him for his mixes he hasnt downloaded a choon and passed it off as his discovery hes mixed his own and bless the poor lad theres a few samples of northern in his stuff BUT he is being original ok his kit consist of a laptop and a usb stick but that is where this is heading....bootlegs/cd's even same thing it all adds up to no effort...

[Guest allnightandy]

Ok,be flippant,if you can't take a little time and use your brains a little,then what's the point, firstly the question was to keep you interested,secondly, before you quote things such as prices of records,use sites such as,"Popsike," also determine the rareness of the item named,the item I quoted was a numbered radio station copy, which in this case or format is unable to replace(Because it was numbered),had I had a copy of the item and was using it at the time then I would still have the original in my collection,and it would not be being used to fill some landfill somewhere!I'll give you the answers to the riddle.When Ian Levine,introduced Morris Chestnut,"Too Darn Soulful," at Blackpool Mecca on Amy, some years later this record became the most bootlegged song o the Northern Soul circuit, so much so that it affected the sales on a legitimate copy brought out on licence by Grapevine Records, which usually at that times added up to approx 1000-5000 records per issue,most of these copies came on the Renfro label,when asked why not sue the legal owners of the licence said it would cost too much money to follow that course because of the number of people involved and the sheer quantity of the bootlegs concerned, Over the years even bootlegs of the Amy issue have appeared and have been sold as originals as are copies of the Renfro edition still being sold and bought,by DJ's and punters alike.The second part again, is not too hard, the label is Monument, the record is by,The Contrasts,and although voted as the worst Northern Soul single of all time,"What A Day," when I need a pickme up I put this on my turntable and remember when I got my white starred label and although it wasn't and still is not that expensive,not many people seem to have heard it or know of it's noteriety.

Couple of things The first part of the (riddle) A slow animal and the second a body part Where the hell does that equate to Morris Chestnut ? and Nelsons column = AMY ? i would also say that Tainted love has been pressed a lot more times than Mr Chestnut

[Guest lostboy23653]

2 Questions 2 Answers.Answer1:-Slow animal Loris rhymes with Morris,part of body(Chest,) nut(this has been said of me at times,) the second question Answer2 :-Label Monument( Nelson's column is one,) as to Amy this was the original label that ,"Too Darn Soulful,"appeared on.now I've covered that, let's go back to the original arguement( which is all semantics anyway.)I listen too you and tell you this we will always differ,I don't care,my use is for a reason you may not agreewith,you may not like the fact,that a I have an opinion,or be able to argue a complex set of circumstances, to explain my reasoning behind said arguement,but to quote the likes of John Cain,eminant Modern and Northern Soul jouno,when commenting on the vinyl copies of Neo that abound on that part of the circuit(which by the way are all bootlegs as the track in question only ever came out on CD,)That he pointed this out to a fellow DJ,that this copy was a fake and that the DJ concerned didn't know.

[Peter99]

[TOAD]

yawn yawn

[Peter99]

yawn yawn

Yep, this has become incredibly boring. No interest or entertainment value whatsoever.

[jocko]

2 Questions 2 Answers.Answer1:-Slow animal Loris rhymes with Morris,part of body(Chest,) nut(this has been said of me at times,) the second question Answer2 :-Label Monument( Nelson's column is one,) as to Amy this was the original label that ,"Too Darn Soulful,"appeared on.now I've covered that, let's go back to the original arguement( which is all semantics anyway.)I listen too you and tell you this we will always differ,I don't care,my use is for a reason you may not agreewith,you may not like the fact,that a I have an opinion,or be able to argue a complex set of circumstances, to explain my reasoning behind said arguement,but to quote the likes of John Cain,eminant Modern and Northern Soul jouno,when commenting on the vinyl copies of Neo that abound on that part of the circuit(which by the way are all bootlegs as the track in question only ever came out on CD,)That he pointed this out to a fellow DJ,that this copy was a fake and that the DJ concerned didn't know.

(a) It is John Kane,

(b) It was released as a download on Traxsource and secreted away by Terry Jones as Gil Scott Heron, I am not aware of any CD release certainly not before the vinyl.

© My understanding was the vinyl was a fully licensed 12", so hopefully you are comfortable with your accusation.

(d) Welcome to SS, glad to see you are comfortable on the side of people who happy to repeat hearsay, badly, and never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

(e) If this person isn't a wind up, albeit a good one, I will wax my chest and roast my nuts in public (staying on topic,an in keeping with the surreal flow).

(f) If this person isn't a wind up, then Godz owes me a huge apology for thinking I am as nuts as him.

(g) Somebody turn of my email following of this, I am too scared to in case I miss something interesting, although if it is a wind up that may qualify as interesting, and yes I still believe in the tooth fairy.

(h) I repeat some posts on this prove that some of the OVO preachers actually now don't get "it" either, hilariously.

(i) Thanks to Russ Noble for the inspiration for this thread, part of me suspects this is him testing his new material, if so I like it.

(j) And yes, my old favourite. Good Comedy writes itself! Sonic Muffins rules!

[Mike]

ok as the thread has gone way off the original thrust

am closing it as just seems to be no hope for it

if do wish to continue talking about some of the subjects raised then feel free to start up a new better titled topic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loris