Bobbie Smith - Walk On Into My Heart - Boot?

[Mace]

Recently got a vinyl promo copy that I am sure is a boot, but somewhat thrown by Manships pics.

The label looks like pic 447a in the guide (no lines on label), which Manship states as original styrene promo with black text.

Any help would be appreciated.

Regards

Mace

[Russ Vickers]

Wasnt there two label variations of the demo ?

Russ

[Guest BAKUNIN]

Have a feeling Johnny Fingers was up on this info but have lost contact mate

ATB

ROB

[Chalky]

There's three Russ, two white labels, black lettering and red lettering and black label with silver lettering.

[Robbk]

There were AT LEAST two variations of the white DJ-2 different pressing plant issues. Different script fonts (size and thickness).

[Dave Pinch]

coz its a an early american arts 45 its the white issue that was booted,,,,orig on styrene boot on vinyl/plastic

[Trev Thomas]

two white demo designs one with lines one without, both on styrene, the boot is a copy of the design with out the lines pressed on vinyl

[Dave Pinch]

early issues were white..later ones were black, dont assume coz the label is white its a promo

[Robbk]

This is the first store-stock (although treated like a DJ copy - with "plug side' marked).

Edited May 6, 2012 by RobbK

[Dave Pinch]

thats the one that was booted robb. all the earlier ones came out on this design but the later ones i.e the volumes i kust cant help myself didnt

[Mal C]

Wasn't ia all styrene are orig, Vinyl are boots, or something like that?

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[sepia]

i always assumed boots were vinyl with moulded on labels.

[Dave Pinch]

i always assumed boots were vinyl with moulded on labels.

you`d be right

[Chalky]

thats the one that was booted robb. all the earlier ones came out on this design but the later ones i.e the volumes i kust cant help myself didnt

isn't there a boot of the white one with lines, vinyl.

[Chalky]

either same as or like this one....

[Dave Pinch]

either same as or like this one....

dont think so chalks.i cant recall seeing one

[Chalky]

dont think so chalks.i cant recall seeing one

thought I'd seen a vinyl boot with the lines as well....maybe not then.

[Mace]

either same as or like this one....

That's what threw me Chalky, cus Manship has that design label down as a vinyl boot (pic 447 in Manships 5th Edition)

Looks like I opened a can of worms then!

[Mak]

either same as or like this one....

Seen lots of copies like this one Chalky , and they all have ''Not for sale '' scrubbed off . Whats that all about ?

[Chalky]

Seen lots of copies like this one Chalky , and they all have ''Not for sale '' scrubbed off . Whats that all about ?

Dunno, they might think it is illegal to sell a record with "not for sale" on it? The scan I posted went really cheap as well so if an original someone got a bargain.

[Mrtag]

two white demo designs one with lines one without, both on styrene, the boot is a copy of the design with out the lines pressed on vinyl

Correct!!!...........

[Mick Holdsworth]

This is the boot from late '83 / early '84 (vinyl, not styrene)...

Cheers

Mick

[Chris L]

either same as or like this one....

Mines the same...................

[Chris L]

Dunno, they might think it is illegal to sell a record with "not for sale" on it? The scan I posted went really cheap as well so if an original someone got a bargain.

I once bought about 6 copies of Johnny Sayles St Lawrence demos and the seller had scrubbed off all of the "DJ Copy" on them when I asked he said he didn't think it was legal to sell them with the text still on it.

Edited May 8, 2012 by Chris L

[Damian]

So, resurrecting this old thread for a split second.. ALL black-label discs are the real deal, right? 

What about machine-stamped vs handwritten matrix? I'm looking at one with the latter (black label, appears to be stuck on and not molded - attaching a 3-sec video I got of it). 

Cheers! 

Bobbie Smith - IMG_1551.MOV

Edited March 31, 2016 by damian

[Robbk]

3 hours ago, damian said:

So, resurrecting this old thread for a split second.. ALL black-label discs are the real deal, right? 

What about machine-stamped vs handwritten matrix? I'm looking at one with the latter (black label, appears to be stuck on and not molded - attaching a 3-sec video I got of it). 

Cheers! 

Bobbie Smith - IMG_1551.MOV

ALL my original 1964-66 American Arts singles, whether black or white, have hand engraved rather than machined stamped matrix numbers, and they ALL have pasted paper rather than moulded labels.

[Damian]

Thanks Rob, looks like I've found a proper original then 

[Damian]

I don't f'n believe this. I bought that fine original and it arrived a few days back.. I'm out of town but my sister tells me 'this one feels kind of flimsy for a record. Want me to open it?' 

It was, indeed, a record - that gorgeous black label original above. But in a regular bubble envelope without so much as a piece of cardboard and cracked in half. I DON'T F--KING BELIEVE THIS. Plus it was a private sale so I'm out £65 (good price, too) unless the seller decides to do right - which I'm willing to be he will not. Do people not realize the VALUE of things?! 

(excuse me, needed to vent) 

[Chris L]

14 minutes ago, damian said:

I don't f'n believe this. I bought that fine original and it arrived a few days back.. I'm out of town but my sister tells me 'this one feels kind of flimsy for a record. Want me to open it?' 

It was, indeed, a record - that gorgeous black label original above. But in a regular bubble envelope without so much as a piece of cardboard and cracked in half. I DON'T F--KING BELIEVE THIS. Plus it was a private sale so I'm out £65 (good price, too) unless the seller decides to do right - which I'm willing to be he will not. Do people not realize the VALUE of things?! 

(excuse me, needed to vent) 

Take as many pictures as possible showing how packed then add picture of how it should be packed, give him/her the responsibility of fixing it.

Good luck.

[Paraboliccurve]

On 16/04/2016 at 16:56, Damian said:

I don't f'n believe this. I bought that fine original and it arrived a few days back.. I'm out of town but my sister tells me 'this one feels kind of flimsy for a record. Want me to open it?' 

It was, indeed, a record - that gorgeous black label original above. But in a regular bubble envelope without so much as a piece of cardboard and cracked in half. I DON'T F--KING BELIEVE THIS. Plus it was a private sale so I'm out £65 (good price, too) unless the seller decides to do right - which I'm willing to be he will not. Do people not realize the VALUE of things?! 

(excuse me, needed to vent) 

I'm very late to this (just checking my own Bobbie Smith isn't a boot as might be about to flog it and had a sudden moment where I remembered there were boots around in the early 80s, when I got my copies), but this made me think of Andy Rix and chuckle, albeit in a very sad way. If you know you know

[Mick Reed]

Just askin but could it have been already broken when put in the bag.Then seller claims of royal mail

[Mal C]

styrene is orig, vinyl is the boot, simples...

[Paraboliccurve]

34 minutes ago, Mal C said:

styrene is orig, vinyl is the boot, simples...

Yep... but when you haven't looked at it for twenty years your memory tends to be somewhat unreliable

[Mal C]

very true...

[Paraboliccurve]

I found an Imperial Cs demo the other day that I thought I'd sold to Steve Mannion in about 2006. That's a worrying level of forgetfulness!

[Mithras]

Think that's bad found Tony Clarke Wrong  Man in Sham 69 sleeve lost for years could believe  it