Landmark Venues?

[Guest]

With such a myriad of venues around the country, it got me thinking about the 'soul scene' landscape over the past 30 years or so. Not wanting to get into the defination debate about rare soul versus northern soul and certain DJs veiws, politics etc. I started pondering the question, 'Why do certain venues over the years stick out as 'landmark venues' and what is it about them that makes them hold such status?

Looking back over the years, there have been great venues both large and small, so size in my view isn't necessarily a key driving factor. I started thinking about DJs and personalities, but again, and as is so often the case, reputaion of many DJs have eminated from the venue rather than the venue from the DJs.

I started developing a view around this, that much of it has to do with the 'sound' or even the 'mission or purpose' of a venue, and that it is this that is perhaps the key factor. Wheel, Tourch, Mecca, Cleethorpes, Wigan and Stafford all seem to share something in common... all of these venues have a distinct style/sound that is synonomous with them. That said, another influencing factor may also be timing and even location. But, I suspect the venue's mission and sounds that underpin that mission, play by far and away the most important factor in establishing a venue as a rare soul landmark. Today, some would argue that Kings Hall, Stoke is the largest and best attended regular venue. It is a great venue, that certainly captures the nostaligic feel and atmosphere of the past. But as time unfolds will it hold the same stature as say the Lifeline. My opinion is certainly not, because the Lifeline, whilst alot smaller has a very clear purpose and mission..... 'Breaking New Ground'. When most venues across the country are becoming mainstream and nostalgic in make-up, the Lifeline is at the forefront of newdom. Its not by coincidence either. Andy Dyson, Mike H with the support Chalky and others set out with a clear and decicive mission that they articulate as 'upfront', and time after time, that is what is delivered. In other words The Lifeline does consistenly what it says on the tin. Upfront raresoul, no prejudice regarding era, but it has to be fresh and upfront, whilst this can be the rare and new, it also embraces the not so rare and 'played befores', but definately not outplayed oldies that fall into the nostalgic camp. Just take a look at one of Chalky's playlists or even Andy Dysons playlists, look carefully and you will see 'between the lines' some of the lesser known / more obscure sounds that (in my veiw) will be heralded in the future as the 'Lifeline sound'.

Another current venue that I strongly beleive is a future landmark venue of the 'rare soul scene' is the Greatstones at Manchester. I've visited this venue a number of times now, and whilst they have some great guest DJs, their backbone and strength comes from the local almost 'connesuier' regulars that constantly push the envelope in obscure mid-tempo platters. Stevie Z, Paul H and others are not afraid of playing whats right for the venue that again, in my view is right at the cutting edge. Mal Adams, Five Chances, Mary Wright, The Escorts and so many other records that shape what is 'The Greatstone Sound'.

Thats all for now. At a time of goodwill and sharing, I can't help thinking that venues such as these two mentioned are giving so much, and certainly as much as did the great venues of the past. In years to come, I suspect that both these two venues will also take their place in the 'Chronicles of Landmark Venues' that really shaped the raresoul phonomena.

Happy Christmas!!

Andy Killick

[Winsford Soul]

With such a myriad of venues around the country, it got me thinking about the 'soul scene' landscape over the past 30 years or so. Not wanting to get into the defination debate about rare soul versus northern soul and certain DJs veiws, politics etc. I started pondering the question, 'Why do certain venues over the years stick out as 'landmark venues' and what is it about them that makes them hold such status?

Looking back over the years, there have been great venues both large and small, so size in my view isn't necessarily a key driving factor. I started thinking about DJs and personalities, but again, and as is so often the case, reputaion of many DJs have eminated from the venue rather than the venue from the DJs.

I started developing a view around this, that much of it has to do with the 'sound' or even the 'mission or purpose' of a venue, and that it is this that is perhaps the key factor. Wheel, Tourch, Mecca, Cleethorpes, Wigan and Stafford all seem to share something in common... all of these venues have a distinct style/sound that is synonomous with them. That said, another influencing factor may also be timing and even location. But, I suspect the venue's mission and sounds that underpin that mission, play by far and away the most important factor in establishing a venue as a rare soul landmark. Today, some would argue that Kings Hall, Stoke is the largest and best attended regular venue. It is a great venue, that certainly captures the nostaligic feel and atmosphere of the past. But as time unfolds will it hold the same stature as say the Lifeline. My opinion is certainly not, because the Lifeline, whilst alot smaller has a very clear purpose and mission..... 'Breaking New Ground'. When most venues across the country are becoming mainstream and nostalgic in make-up, the Lifeline is at the forefront of newdom. Its not by coincidence either. Andy Dyson, Mike H with the support Chalky and others set out with a clear and decicive mission that they articulate as 'upfront', and time after time, that is what is delivered. In other words The Lifeline does consistenly what it says on the tin. Upfront raresoul, no prejudice regarding era, but it has to be fresh and upfront, whilst this can be the rare and new, it also embraces the not so rare and 'played befores', but definately not outplayed oldies that fall into the nostalgic camp. Just take a look at one of Chalky's playlists or even Andy Dysons playlists, look carefully and you will see 'between the lines' some of the lesser known / more obscure sounds that (in my veiw) will be heralded in the future as the 'Lifeline sound'.

Another current venue that I strongly beleive is a future landmark venue of the 'rare soul scene' is the Greatstones at Manchester. I've visited this venue a number of times now, and whilst they have some great guest DJs, their backbone and strength comes from the local almost 'connesuier' regulars that constantly push the envelope in obscure mid-tempo platters. Stevie Z, Paul H and others are not afraid of playing whats right for the venue that again, in my view is right at the cutting edge. Mal Adams, Five Chances, Mary Wright, The Escorts and so many other records that shape what is 'The Greatstone Sound'.

Thats all for now. At a time of goodwill and sharing, I can't help thinking that venues such as these two mentioned are giving so much, and certainly as much as did the great venues of the past. In years to come, I suspect that both these two venues will also take their place in the 'Chronicles of Landmark Venues' that really shaped the raresoul phonomena.

Happy Christmas!!

Andy Killick

In my opinion one of the venues that was at the leading edge for new and up front music in the 80,s and 90,s was the Saints Club in St Helens, And unless you frequented the place you would never list it as a leader in its day, much like the Greatstone is today. Andy says landmark venues. Why not create a Hall of Fame for such places. So that the people behind the venues get some recognition.the regulars know who these unsung heros are but the majority dont. I would like to nominate Saints as the first entry.

Barry and Flanny take a Bow.

Steve

[Quinvy]

With such a myriad of venues around the country, it got me thinking about the 'soul scene' landscape over the past 30 years or so. Not wanting to get into the defination debate about rare soul versus northern soul and certain DJs veiws, politics etc. I started pondering the question, 'Why do certain venues over the years stick out as 'landmark venues' and what is it about them that makes them hold such status?

Looking back over the years, there have been great venues both large and small, so size in my view isn't necessarily a key driving factor. I started thinking about DJs and personalities, but again, and as is so often the case, reputaion of many DJs have eminated from the venue rather than the venue from the DJs.

I started developing a view around this, that much of it has to do with the 'sound' or even the 'mission or purpose' of a venue, and that it is this that is perhaps the key factor. Wheel, Tourch, Mecca, Cleethorpes, Wigan and Stafford all seem to share something in common... all of these venues have a distinct style/sound that is synonomous with them. That said, another influencing factor may also be timing and even location. But, I suspect the venue's mission and sounds that underpin that mission, play by far and away the most important factor in establishing a venue as a rare soul landmark. Today, some would argue that Kings Hall, Stoke is the largest and best attended regular venue. It is a great venue, that certainly captures the nostaligic feel and atmosphere of the past. But as time unfolds will it hold the same stature as say the Lifeline. My opinion is certainly not, because the Lifeline, whilst alot smaller has a very clear purpose and mission..... 'Breaking New Ground'. When most venues across the country are becoming mainstream and nostalgic in make-up, the Lifeline is at the forefront of newdom. Its not by coincidence either. Andy Dyson, Mike H with the support Chalky and others set out with a clear and decicive mission that they articulate as 'upfront', and time after time, that is what is delivered. In other words The Lifeline does consistenly what it says on the tin. Upfront raresoul, no prejudice regarding era, but it has to be fresh and upfront, whilst this can be the rare and new, it also embraces the not so rare and 'played befores', but definately not outplayed oldies that fall into the nostalgic camp. Just take a look at one of Chalky's playlists or even Andy Dysons playlists, look carefully and you will see 'between the lines' some of the lesser known / more obscure sounds that (in my veiw) will be heralded in the future as the 'Lifeline sound'.

Another current venue that I strongly beleive is a future landmark venue of the 'rare soul scene' is the Greatstones at Manchester. I've visited this venue a number of times now, and whilst they have some great guest DJs, their backbone and strength comes from the local almost 'connesuier' regulars that constantly push the envelope in obscure mid-tempo platters. Stevie Z, Paul H and others are not afraid of playing whats right for the venue that again, in my view is right at the cutting edge. Mal Adams, Five Chances, Mary Wright, The Escorts and so many other records that shape what is 'The Greatstone Sound'.

Thats all for now. At a time of goodwill and sharing, I can't help thinking that venues such as these two mentioned are giving so much, and certainly as much as did the great venues of the past. In years to come, I suspect that both these two venues will also take their place in the 'Chronicles of Landmark Venues' that really shaped the raresoul phonomena.

Happy Christmas!!

Andy Killick

Hi Andy, I agree entirely with what you say, and I'm trying to create such a venue myself. Hard going at the moment, but hopefully getting more of the faithfull to come and participate, through word of mouth / reccomendation. Don't know where you live, but if you fancy a trip to Soul Salvation @ Burnley Cricket Club, I would be interested to hear your comments on what I'm trying to achieve. Next one is Sat. Jan 14th and is just 5 minutes from the M65.

Best Regards, Phil.

[Dave Morris]

Hi Andy, I agree entirely with what you say, and I'm trying to create such a venue myself. Hard going at the moment, but hopefully getting more of the faithfull to come and participate, through word of mouth / reccomendation. Don't know where you live, but if you fancy a trip to Soul Salvation @ Burnley Cricket Club, I would be interested to hear your comments on what I'm trying to achieve. Next one is Sat. Jan 14th and is just 5 minutes from the M65.

Best Regards, Phil.

Hi Phil,

I get up to Blackburn a few times a year to see friends and family.Would like to get to one of your do's next year if poss.So if you can let me know some dates for 2006 will try to work some time off around them.

Thats if you don't mind having a Blue & White in town.

Dave.

[Guest Adam G]

For my own personal tastes

The canal tavern Thorne

Soul Essence weekender

And finally the Orwell

[mark ellis]

With such a myriad of venues around the country, it got me thinking about the 'soul scene' landscape over the past 30 years or so. Not wanting to get into the defination debate about rare soul versus northern soul and certain DJs veiws, politics etc. I started pondering the question, 'Why do certain venues over the years stick out as 'landmark venues' and what is it about them that makes them hold such status?

Looking back over the years, there have been great venues both large and small, so size in my view isn't necessarily a key driving factor. I started thinking about DJs and personalities, but again, and as is so often the case, reputaion of many DJs have eminated from the venue rather than the venue from the DJs.

I started developing a view around this, that much of it has to do with the 'sound' or even the 'mission or purpose' of a venue, and that it is this that is perhaps the key factor. Wheel, Tourch, Mecca, Cleethorpes, Wigan and Stafford all seem to share something in common... all of these venues have a distinct style/sound that is synonomous with them. That said, another influencing factor may also be timing and even location. But, I suspect the venue's mission and sounds that underpin that mission, play by far and away the most important factor in establishing a venue as a rare soul landmark. Today, some would argue that Kings Hall, Stoke is the largest and best attended regular venue. It is a great venue, that certainly captures the nostaligic feel and atmosphere of the past. But as time unfolds will it hold the same stature as say the Lifeline. My opinion is certainly not, because the Lifeline, whilst alot smaller has a very clear purpose and mission..... 'Breaking New Ground'. When most venues across the country are becoming mainstream and nostalgic in make-up, the Lifeline is at the forefront of newdom. Its not by coincidence either. Andy Dyson, Mike H with the support Chalky and others set out with a clear and decicive mission that they articulate as 'upfront', and time after time, that is what is delivered. In other words The Lifeline does consistenly what it says on the tin. Upfront raresoul, no prejudice regarding era, but it has to be fresh and upfront, whilst this can be the rare and new, it also embraces the not so rare and 'played befores', but definately not outplayed oldies that fall into the nostalgic camp. Just take a look at one of Chalky's playlists or even Andy Dysons playlists, look carefully and you will see 'between the lines' some of the lesser known / more obscure sounds that (in my veiw) will be heralded in the future as the 'Lifeline sound'.

Another current venue that I strongly beleive is a future landmark venue of the 'rare soul scene' is the Greatstones at Manchester. I've visited this venue a number of times now, and whilst they have some great guest DJs, their backbone and strength comes from the local almost 'connesuier' regulars that constantly push the envelope in obscure mid-tempo platters. Stevie Z, Paul H and others are not afraid of playing whats right for the venue that again, in my view is right at the cutting edge. Mal Adams, Five Chances, Mary Wright, The Escorts and so many other records that shape what is 'The Greatstone Sound'.

Thats all for now. At a time of goodwill and sharing, I can't help thinking that venues such as these two mentioned are giving so much, and certainly as much as did the great venues of the past. In years to come, I suspect that both these two venues will also take their place in the 'Chronicles of Landmark Venues' that really shaped the raresoul phonomena.

Happy Christmas!!

Andy Killick

[mark ellis]

With such a myriad of venues around the country, it got me thinking about the 'soul scene' landscape over the past 30 years or so. Not wanting to get into the defination debate about rare soul versus northern soul and certain DJs veiws, politics etc. I started pondering the question, 'Why do certain venues over the years stick out as 'landmark venues' and what is it about them that makes them hold such status?

Looking back over the years, there have been great venues both large and small, so size in my view isn't necessarily a key driving factor. I started thinking about DJs and personalities, but again, and as is so often the case, reputaion of many DJs have eminated from the venue rather than the venue from the DJs.

I started developing a view around this, that much of it has to do with the 'sound' or even the 'mission or purpose' of a venue, and that it is this that is perhaps the key factor. Wheel, Tourch, Mecca, Cleethorpes, Wigan and Stafford all seem to share something in common... all of these venues have a distinct style/sound that is synonomous with them. That said, another influencing factor may also be timing and even location. But, I suspect the venue's mission and sounds that underpin that mission, play by far and away the most important factor in establishing a venue as a rare soul landmark. Today, some would argue that Kings Hall, Stoke is the largest and best attended regular venue. It is a great venue, that certainly captures the nostaligic feel and atmosphere of the past. But as time unfolds will it hold the same stature as say the Lifeline. My opinion is certainly not, because the Lifeline, whilst alot smaller has a very clear purpose and mission..... 'Breaking New Ground'. When most venues across the country are becoming mainstream and nostalgic in make-up, the Lifeline is at the forefront of newdom. Its not by coincidence either. Andy Dyson, Mike H with the support Chalky and others set out with a clear and decicive mission that they articulate as 'upfront', and time after time, that is what is delivered. In other words The Lifeline does consistenly what it says on the tin. Upfront raresoul, no prejudice regarding era, but it has to be fresh and upfront, whilst this can be the rare and new, it also embraces the not so rare and 'played befores', but definately not outplayed oldies that fall into the nostalgic camp. Just take a look at one of Chalky's playlists or even Andy Dysons playlists, look carefully and you will see 'between the lines' some of the lesser known / more obscure sounds that (in my veiw) will be heralded in the future as the 'Lifeline sound'.

Another current venue that I strongly beleive is a future landmark venue of the 'rare soul scene' is the Greatstones at Manchester. I've visited this venue a number of times now, and whilst they have some great guest DJs, their backbone and strength comes from the local almost 'connesuier' regulars that constantly push the envelope in obscure mid-tempo platters. Stevie Z, Paul H and others are not afraid of playing whats right for the venue that again, in my view is right at the cutting edge. Mal Adams, Five Chances, Mary Wright, The Escorts and so many other records that shape what is 'The Greatstone Sound'.

Thats all for now. At a time of goodwill and sharing, I can't help thinking that venues such as these two mentioned are giving so much, and certainly as much as did the great venues of the past. In years to come, I suspect that both these two venues will also take their place in the 'Chronicles of Landmark Venues' that really shaped the raresoul phonomena.

Happy Christmas!!

Andy Killick

For me Sheridans was the best venue ever. The location was perfect, in the middle of the British Isles but easy to get to, hidden away & so as not to attract passing trade & you'd only find it if you intended to go there. It wasn't purpose built but laid out with "us" in mind, dark dance area plus quieter & brighter room where you could hold a conversation, ideal for record dealers or a general chillout. The persons running it were the same as the punters so were aware of the requirements & with a different type of all nighter (Lifeline, Soultown, Hitsville, Backbeat etc.) on virtually every Saturday night, plus a few Friday events too we all had somewhere to go weekly that catered for most tastes.

I don't think it ever received the recognition it deserved & miss it badly.

[Guest NASHEE]

TONY'S BLACKBURN.....LOTS OF CHARACTERS (WHO COULD FORGET ROB THE STICK) AND WEASLE AND FRIENDS TURNING UP AT 7.30 AFTER BEING ON A YET ANOTHER MISSION)GREAT R&B TOO

COTTONS..STOCKPORT...GREAT ACROSS THE BOARD MUSIC

FLIPSIDE AT SHERIDANS....THEY EVEN LET ME PLAY...VERY BRAVE PROMOTORS...HA HA WOOF

[Chalky]

TONY'S BLACKBURN.....LOTS OF CHARACTERS (WHO COULD FORGET ROB THE STICK) AND WEASLE AND FRIENDS TURNING UP AT 7.30 AFTER BEING ON A YET ANOTHER MISSION)GREAT R&B TOO

COTTONS..STOCKPORT...GREAT ACROSS THE BOARD MUSIC

FLIPSIDE AT SHERIDANS....THEY EVEN LET ME PLAY...VERY BRAVE PROMOTORS...HA HA WOOF

Tony's...when, which era? Guy Hennigan era or after (90's)? It was never the same after Guy stopped doing it. It was in 87/88 one of the best upfront venues in the country with all the top "newies" dj's appearing there. With the later re-emergance of Northern Soul in the 90's the music went backwards so stopped going.

Edited December 19, 2005 by chalky

[Guest NASHEE]

Tony's...when, which era? Guy Hennigan era or after (90's)? It was never the same after Guy stopped doing it. It was in 87/88 one of the best upfront venues in the country with all the top "newies" dj's appearing there. With the later re-emergance of Northern Soul in the 90's the music went backwards so stopped going.

92-94 THE ERA YOU REFER TO SOUNDS GREAT CHALKY....BUT I DIDNT COME BACK OM THE SCENE UNTIL 92...AND I WAS AN OLDIES PERSON THEN (NOT 4 LONG THO) HA HA HA

[Chalky]

92-94 THE ERA YOU REFER TO SOUNDS GREAT CHALKY....BUT I DIDNT COME BACK OM THE SCENE UNTIL 92...AND I WAS AN OLDIES PERSON THEN (NOT 4 LONG THO) HA HA HA

It was probably great in the era you went for many others, just not me. Was too much into newies to go back to oldies week in week out, still am Was one of the reason I didn't do so many nighters mid 90's.

Flyer from 80''s....

Edited December 19, 2005 by chalky

[Guest]

I would say Scenesville when it was at the Notre Dame was deffo a landmark venue in soul history

[Guest taffy]

GOT TO BE WEST HAMPTEAD STARLIGHT SUITE THE FORERUNNER TO THE LONGEST RUNNING ALLNIGHTER IN THE COUNTRY - 100 CLUB

[Simsy]

With such a myriad of venues around the country, it got me thinking about the 'soul scene' landscape over the past 30 years or so. Not wanting to get into the defination debate about rare soul versus northern soul and certain DJs veiws, politics etc. I started pondering the question, 'Why do certain venues over the years stick out as 'landmark venues' and what is it about them that makes them hold such status?

Happy Christmas!!

Andy Killick

Good points raised. Very northern (geographically speaking).

Spare a thought for the 100 Club. The longest running all nighter of all time. There are '100 Club Sounds'. The club is still very well attended today and is the residency of the greatest northern DJ of all time.

[Chris Anderton]

Albrighton....nuff said....some other venues are still catching up.

Chris

[Chalky]

If going by music policy alone there can't be many land mark venues from the 90's and 2000's. There haven't been that many that have consistently pushed the boundaries .

[Guest]

For me Sheridans was the best venue ever. The location was perfect, in the middle of the British Isles but easy to get to, hidden away & so as not to attract passing trade & you'd only find it if you intended to go there. It wasn't purpose built but laid out with "us" in mind, dark dance area plus quieter & brighter room where you could hold a conversation, ideal for record dealers or a general chillout. The persons running it were the same as the punters so were aware of the requirements & with a different type of all nighter (Lifeline, Soultown, Hitsville, Backbeat etc.) on virtually every Saturday night, plus a few Friday events too we all had somewhere to go weekly that catered for most tastes.

I don't think it ever received the recognition it deserved & miss it badly.

For some reason I can't quote the above written by Mark so I have copied it.Totally agree with everything you said Mark and your not the only one missing it, I can remember last new years eve there and how much everyone was looking forward to the night, I can't think of any event this year that holds quite the same pull

[Eamesy]

GOT TO BE WEST HAMPTEAD STARLIGHT SUITE THE FORERUNNER TO THE LONGEST RUNNING ALLNIGHTER IN THE COUNTRY - 100 CLUB

TOTALLY AGREE, IMPORTANT VENUE, CERTAINLY RESPONSIBLE FOR CHANGE OF MUSICAL CONTENT AT MANY OTHER VENUES.

WEST HAMPSTEAD - HAPPY NIGHTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALAN.

[Chalky]

Albrighton....nuff said....some other venues are still catching up.

Chris

Bretby...the original Bretby that is

[Chalky]

Good points raised. Very northern (geographically speaking).

Spare a thought for the 100 Club. The longest running all nighter of all time. There are '100 Club Sounds'. The club is still very well attended today and is the residency of the greatest northern DJ of all time.

Definately a land mark venue

[Chalky]

For me Sheridans was the best venue ever. The location was perfect, in the middle of the British Isles but easy to get to, hidden away & so as not to attract passing trade & you'd only find it if you intended to go there. It wasn't purpose built but laid out with "us" in mind, dark dance area plus quieter & brighter room where you could hold a conversation, ideal for record dealers or a general chillout. The persons running it were the same as the punters so were aware of the requirements & with a different type of all nighter (Lifeline, Soultown, Hitsville, Backbeat etc.) on virtually every Saturday night, plus a few Friday events too we all had somewhere to go weekly that catered for most tastes.

I don't think it ever received the recognition it deserved & miss it badly.

For some reason I can't quote the above written by Mark so I have copied it.Totally agree with everything you said Mark and your not the only one missing it, I can remember last new years eve there and how much everyone was looking forward to the night, I can't think of any event this year that holds quite the same pull

Many people mention how much Sheridans is missed. Last NYE was certainly a great night.

All the Clubs at Sheridans, Lifeline, Soultown and Backbeat pushed the boundaries and didn't stick to the same old same.

[steve z]

With such a myriad of venues around the country, it got me thinking about the 'soul scene' landscape over the past 30 years or so. Not wanting to get into the defination debate about rare soul versus northern soul and certain DJs veiws, politics etc. I started pondering the question, 'Why do certain venues over the years stick out as 'landmark venues' and what is it about them that makes them hold such status?

Looking back over the years, there have been great venues both large and small, so size in my view isn't necessarily a key driving factor. I started thinking about DJs and personalities, but again, and as is so often the case, reputaion of many DJs have eminated from the venue rather than the venue from the DJs.

I started developing a view around this, that much of it has to do with the 'sound' or even the 'mission or purpose' of a venue, and that it is this that is perhaps the key factor. Wheel, Tourch, Mecca, Cleethorpes, Wigan and Stafford all seem to share something in common... all of these venues have a distinct style/sound that is synonomous with them. That said, another influencing factor may also be timing and even location. But, I suspect the venue's mission and sounds that underpin that mission, play by far and away the most important factor in establishing a venue as a rare soul landmark. Today, some would argue that Kings Hall, Stoke is the largest and best attended regular venue. It is a great venue, that certainly captures the nostaligic feel and atmosphere of the past. But as time unfolds will it hold the same stature as say the Lifeline. My opinion is certainly not, because the Lifeline, whilst alot smaller has a very clear purpose and mission..... 'Breaking New Ground'. When most venues across the country are becoming mainstream and nostalgic in make-up, the Lifeline is at the forefront of newdom. Its not by coincidence either. Andy Dyson, Mike H with the support Chalky and others set out with a clear and decicive mission that they articulate as 'upfront', and time after time, that is what is delivered. In other words The Lifeline does consistenly what it says on the tin. Upfront raresoul, no prejudice regarding era, but it has to be fresh and upfront, whilst this can be the rare and new, it also embraces the not so rare and 'played befores', but definately not outplayed oldies that fall into the nostalgic camp. Just take a look at one of Chalky's playlists or even Andy Dysons playlists, look carefully and you will see 'between the lines' some of the lesser known / more obscure sounds that (in my veiw) will be heralded in the future as the 'Lifeline sound'.

Another current venue that I strongly beleive is a future landmark venue of the 'rare soul scene' is the Greatstones at Manchester. I've visited this venue a number of times now, and whilst they have some great guest DJs, their backbone and strength comes from the local almost 'connesuier' regulars that constantly push the envelope in obscure mid-tempo platters. Stevie Z, Paul H and others are not afraid of playing whats right for the venue that again, in my view is right at the cutting edge. Mal Adams, Five Chances, Mary Wright, The Escorts and so many other records that shape what is 'The Greatstone Sound'.

Thats all for now. At a time of goodwill and sharing, I can't help thinking that venues such as these two mentioned are giving so much, and certainly as much as did the great venues of the past. In years to come, I suspect that both these two venues will also take their place in the 'Chronicles of Landmark Venues' that really shaped the raresoul phonomena.

Happy Christmas!!

Andy Killick

Hi Andy ,a Thinking Mans post.Brill ATB Stevie.....EVERYONE HAVE A BRILL XMAS AND A CONSISTENTLY SUPERB NEW YEAR. ATB Stevie Z

[Guest hammy]

Shotts and the last Taxi Club Alldayers (from a scottish perspective)

Ok - maybe I'm kidding on a bit and blowing my own trumpet on the second one but I sincerely believe that was one of the strongest line ups ever assembled north of the border in a Scotland vs England format. kitch, dean, cliffe steele, chalky, kenny burrell, fraser dunn, john macdonald, keith money, ritchie conn etc etc.

Done for the right reasons, for musical reasons, and sadly wrecked by a couple of dinosaur whingers who took it upon themselves to abuse one or two of the DJs - despite being fully aware of the music policy ! LOL

It will be back though - mark my words.

Hammy

[Soulsmith]

I'd say Bisley Pavillion, near Woking in Surrey.

Also Yate, although I never liked it that much.

Col.

[mark ellis]

Good points raised. Very northern (geographically speaking).

Spare a thought for the 100 Club. The longest running all nighter of all time. There are '100 Club Sounds'. The club is still very well attended today and is the residency of the greatest northern DJ of all time.

I may have misread the original post & my reason for singleing out Sheridans was because, in my opinion it was the best venue. Plus the fact that you could go every week made it even better as you didn't have to plan ahead, come Saturday night if you fancied going out you could be virtualy certian something would be happening there. Don't think geogoraphy should come into, because whenever all nighters have been held in my home town it somehow hasn't had the same appeal, & left me wondering if I'd have gone had I had to catch a train or face a long drive, difficult to put over but I almost felt as though I was cheating. I also enjoy nights at the 100 Club & other venues just as much Sheridans, but as a venue it has/had for me, the edge........ Just.

[Mark B]

landmark venues for me are

saints

orwell

no point in mentioning older ones as we all know where they were.

good post andy.

mark

[Russ Vickers]

I'd say Bisley Pavillion, near Woking in Surrey.

Also Yate, although I never liked it that much.

Col.

Bisley........................then or now ???????

Russ

[Soulsmith]

Bisley........................then or now ???????

Russ

Well, it wasn't the bit in the middle

[Geordiejohnson]

The canal tavern Thorne never seems to get the reconition it deserves but i loved it heard many a new sound broke there,

For three years weve been trying something new at the friendship....funny though we dont seem to get anyone travelling, although everytime myself and billy the boot DJ out people come up and say they are defo gonna make a trip over, but never do so, i believe there have been a lot of venues that have dissappeared due to apathy, that havn't or arnt getting the recognition they deserve,

Back in the eighties i heard sounds in small venues that are being claimed as greatsounds only now

but had the support for some of the venues been there maybe we'd be talking of a greater anmount of venues that had an influence not just the Tonys, stafford, keele,

lets face it on the tune front there are very few new discoveries out there, the majority have been discovered and played somewhere before but not played to the massess

Geeooooordie

[Russ Vickers]

In my opinion one of the venues that was at the leading edge for new and up front music in the 80,s and 90,s was the Saints Club in St Helens, And unless you frequented the place you would never list it as a leader in its day, much like the Greatstone is today. Andy says landmark venues. Why not create a Hall of Fame for such places. So that the people behind the venues get some recognition.the regulars know who these unsung heros are but the majority dont. I would like to nominate Saints as the first entry.

Barry and Flanny take a Bow.

Steve

The 100 Club, Soul Escence, Albrighton, & for me particularly the 'Uptown Down South' promotions at Abshott & the Newbury Nighters, pushing the boundaries in the mid 9ts was hard work, but both these venues were well attended & music policy was awesome IMO, I possibly should not comment on the UDS promotions as I was the promoter, but I am very proud of what was acheived at these venues musically, people travelled from all over the UK & Europe, sometimes passing 2-3 so called 'Big' Allnighters to get there & I still beleive to this day that we opened the doors for other venues to follow similar music policies when it was not the done thing.

I am quite conscious of the fact that this post could come over as being conceited or blowing ones own trumpet, so I would really appreciate other peoples honest comments on the Uptown Down South promotions at both Abshott & Newbury.

I would also like to nominate the Bournemouth Modern do's at Cagney's, hard work promoting upfront rare soul music in areas were traditionally Rare Soul events arnt that well attended any way period.........so big props to Jason.

Russ

[Russ Vickers]

Well, it wasn't the bit in the middle

You know what I mean mate.................back then quite cutting edge....................now pretty much oldies. Not knocking that BTW but in the spirit of the thread hardly a Land mark venue these days.

Russ

[Soulsmith]

You know what I mean mate.................back then quite cutting edge....................now pretty much oldies. Not knocking that BTW but in the spirit of the thread hardly a Land mark venue these days.

Russ

Yes Russ I have heard all the arguments several times over. Back in the 70s it was certainly was cutting edge. Now its an excellent social event with a very strong link to a mis-spent youth. I haven't missed one in the last 3 or 4 years and have enjoyed every single one.

Col.

[Russ Vickers]

Yes Russ I have heard all the arguments several times over. Back in the 70s it was certainly was cutting edge. Now its an excellent social event with a very strong link to a mis-spent youth. I haven't missed one in the last 3 or 4 years and have enjoyed every single one.

Col.

Ditto this Col...........brill venue, fantastic night out if you enjoy nostalgia & I hear recently some good post Wigan tunes being played too. I have always had a great night socially at Bisley.

Russ

[Guest Awake 502]

'Why do certain venues over the years stick out as 'landmark venues' and what is it about them that makes them hold such status?

Highwaymans Halt at Snaith....

Why ? Probably the birth of modern soul. But also was a feeder club.. Searling and Sam etc previewed most of their discoveries there before they hit the big time at Wigan etc. Also a lot of the records played by Poke and Gary Rushbrooke became huge records at Stafford etc.... Will try and find some old playlists, but was a great place in it's day... Think I have some pics of a young Chalky there.. What's it worth not to post them

[Chalky]

'Why do certain venues over the years stick out as 'landmark venues' and what is it about them that makes them hold such status?

Highwaymans Halt at Snaith....

Why ? Probably the birth of modern soul. But also was a feeder club.. Searling and Sam etc previewed most of their discoveries there before they hit the big time at Wigan etc. Also a lot of the records played by Poke and Gary Rushbrooke became huge records at Stafford etc.... Will try and find some old playlists, but was a great place in it's day... Think I have some pics of a young Chalky there.. What's it worth not to post them

[Guest DeeJay]

With such a myriad of venues around the country, it got me thinking about the 'soul scene' landscape over the past 30 years or so. Not wanting to get into the defination debate about rare soul versus northern soul and certain DJs veiws, politics etc. I started pondering the question, 'Why do certain venues over the years stick out as 'landmark venues' and what is it about them that makes them hold such status?

Looking back over the years, there have been great venues both large and small, so size in my view isn't necessarily a key driving factor. I started thinking about DJs and personalities, but again, and as is so often the case, reputaion of many DJs have eminated from the venue rather than the venue from the DJs.

I started developing a view around this, that much of it has to do with the 'sound' or even the 'mission or purpose' of a venue, and that it is this that is perhaps the key factor. Wheel, Tourch, Mecca, Cleethorpes, Wigan and Stafford all seem to share something in common... all of these venues have a distinct style/sound that is synonomous with them. That said, another influencing factor may also be timing and even location. But, I suspect the venue's mission and sounds that underpin that mission, play by far and away the most important factor in establishing a venue as a rare soul landmark. Today, some would argue that Kings Hall, Stoke is the largest and best attended regular venue. It is a great venue, that certainly captures the nostaligic feel and atmosphere of the past. But as time unfolds will it hold the same stature as say the Lifeline. My opinion is certainly not, because the Lifeline, whilst alot smaller has a very clear purpose and mission..... 'Breaking New Ground'. When most venues across the country are becoming mainstream and nostalgic in make-up, the Lifeline is at the forefront of newdom. Its not by coincidence either. Andy Dyson, Mike H with the support Chalky and others set out with a clear and decicive mission that they articulate as 'upfront', and time after time, that is what is delivered. In other words The Lifeline does consistenly what it says on the tin. Upfront raresoul, no prejudice regarding era, but it has to be fresh and upfront, whilst this can be the rare and new, it also embraces the not so rare and 'played befores', but definately not outplayed oldies that fall into the nostalgic camp. Just take a look at one of Chalky's playlists or even Andy Dysons playlists, look carefully and you will see 'between the lines' some of the lesser known / more obscure sounds that (in my veiw) will be heralded in the future as the 'Lifeline sound'.

Another current venue that I strongly beleive is a future landmark venue of the 'rare soul scene' is the Greatstones at Manchester. I've visited this venue a number of times now, and whilst they have some great guest DJs, their backbone and strength comes from the local almost 'connesuier' regulars that constantly push the envelope in obscure mid-tempo platters. Stevie Z, Paul H and others are not afraid of playing whats right for the venue that again, in my view is right at the cutting edge. Mal Adams, Five Chances, Mary Wright, The Escorts and so many other records that shape what is 'The Greatstone Sound'.

Thats all for now. At a time of goodwill and sharing, I can't help thinking that venues such as these two mentioned are giving so much, and certainly as much as did the great venues of the past. In years to come, I suspect that both these two venues will also take their place in the 'Chronicles of Landmark Venues' that really shaped the raresoul phonomena.

Happy Christmas!!

Andy Killick

real interesting post thouroughly enjoyed reading it. Sort of thing that makes me green with envy being stuck over here (it's actually not that bad a place just short on regular northern venues Southrern Cali) Anyway back to what i wanted to say. With it being such a cutting edge or at least by the sound of things groundbreaking venue, does anyone have any playlists, tapes, cd's? i'd gladly buy or trade for them???

DJ

[Guest garv]

The 100 Club, Soul Escence, Albrighton, & for me particularly the 'Uptown Down South' promotions at Abshott & the Newbury Nighters, pushing the boundaries in the mid 9ts was hard work, but both these venues were well attended & music policy was awesome IMO, I possibly should not comment on the UDS promotions as I was the promoter, but I am very proud of what was acheived at these venues musically, people travelled from all over the UK & Europe, sometimes passing 2-3 so called 'Big' Allnighters to get there & I still beleive to this day that we opened the doors for other venues to follow similar music policies when it was not the done thing.

I am quite conscious of the fact that this post could come over as being conceited or blowing ones own trumpet, so I would really appreciate other peoples honest comments on the Uptown Down South promotions at both Abshott & Newbury.

I would also like to nominate the Bournemouth Modern do's at Cagney's, hard work promoting upfront rare soul music in areas were traditionally Rare Soul events arnt that well attended any way period.........so big props to Jason.

Russ

Russ .......... BRILLIANT nites at Newbury , your right about giving some of the bigger niters/nites a swerve to attend UTDS do`s. I remember being the first one in there one nite & i think it was Mr Summers on the decks....... he was amazing, i kept going up & saying "whats this, who`s that" ......... the freshness of it all impressed me most, new sounds & quality soul............ i also love the lifeline do`s for the same reason........... but never made it to Sheridans . UTDS will always have a special place in my soul memories................ THANKS.

Garv.

[Guest 45s and 33s]

The first couple of years of the Spiders Web in Edinburgh were pretty special; The Claremont also in Edinburgh was streets ahead of any other soul night in Scotland; the Allanton nighters were legendary and nowadays the Taxi Club dayers are pretty damn good too.

Ali

[Guest Bearsoul]

Shotts and the last Taxi Club Alldayers (from a scottish perspective)

Ok - maybe I'm kidding on a bit and blowing my own trumpet on the second one but I sincerely believe that was one of the strongest line ups ever assembled north of the border in a Scotland vs England format. kitch, dean, cliffe steele, chalky, kenny burrell, fraser dunn, john macdonald, keith money, ritchie conn etc etc.

Done for the right reasons, for musical reasons, and sadly wrecked by a couple of dinosaur whingers who took it upon themselves to abuse one or two of the DJs - despite being fully aware of the music policy ! LOL

It will be back though - mark my words.

Hammy

HOPE IT'S SOON....WE'LL BE THERE.....CHRIS M & CARLOS. WHAT A TOP DAY THIS ALWAYS IS........BEEN TO LAST TWO..AND DATES PERMITTING WILL BE AT THE NEXT.....SO WHEN IS IT HAMMY ??? HOPE YOUR WELL...HAVE A GREAT CHRISTMAS !!!

[jonbuck]

Mr Summers on the decks....... Garv.

Not Mick Summers ????

JB

[Guest Gavin Page]

Not Mick Summers ????

JB

No mate, that will be Ben Summers great Dj ! Brill Taste IMVHO

[jonbuck]

No mate, that will be Ben Summers great Dj ! Brill Taste IMVHO

Had me worried for a moment thought he ment Mick Summers....Not the best DJ in the world

JB

Edited December 21, 2005 by jonbuck

[Quinvy]

The canal tavern Thorne never seems to get the reconition it deserves but i loved it heard many a new sound broke there,

For three years weve been trying something new at the friendship....funny though we dont seem to get anyone travelling, although everytime myself and billy the boot DJ out people come up and say they are defo gonna make a trip over, but never do so, i believe there have been a lot of venues that have dissappeared due to apathy, that havn't or arnt getting the recognition they deserve,

Back in the eighties i heard sounds in small venues that are being claimed as greatsounds only now

but had the support for some of the venues been there maybe we'd be talking of a greater anmount of venues that had an influence not just the Tonys, stafford, keele,

lets face it on the tune front there are very few new discoveries out there, the majority have been discovered and played somewhere before but not played to the massess

Geeooooordie

Hi Geordie,

Think you've hit the nail on the head there. Sounds like we are kindred spirits. I've been impressed with the playlists that I've seen from the friendship, and was hoping to get over on the 26th DEC. All being well I'll phone you, or Billy the boot, later in the week for some directions. Hope to see you then.

Best Regards, Phil.

[Guest Netspeaky]

Andy, there would have only been a handful of clubs that would have allowed your last spot at the Old Hall (North Wales), you would have killed 98% of venues with your play list. Interesting thread.

[Russ Vickers]

No mate, that will be Ben Summers great Dj ! Brill Taste IMVHO

Ben Summers........................fantastic taste in soul music & all-round bon oeuf, any one got an email address for Ben.

One of my lasting memories of you Gavin at Abshott was the punch up with the kid behind the bar..............can laugh about it now.......................at the time thought all that business was the end of the world .

Happy days.

Russ

[Guest Gavin Page]

Ben Summers........................fantastic taste in soul music & all-round bon oeuf, any one got an email address for Ben.

One of my lasting memories of you Gavin at Abshott was the punch up with the kid behind the bar..............can laugh about it now.......................at the time thought all that business was the end of the world .

Happy days.

Russ

Yes mate twas good ! Not a good lasting memory of me punching the living day lights out of some one me thinks !

[Guest matt tees]

The 100 Club, Soul Escence, Albrighton, & for me particularly the 'Uptown Down South' promotions at Abshott & the Newbury Nighters, pushing the boundaries in the mid 9ts was hard work, but both these venues were well attended & music policy was awesome IMO, I possibly should not comment on the UDS promotions as I was the promoter, but I am very proud of what was acheived at these venues musically, people travelled from all over the UK & Europe, sometimes passing 2-3 so called 'Big' Allnighters to get there & I still beleive to this day that we opened the doors for other venues to follow similar music policies when it was not the done thing.

I am quite conscious of the fact that this post could come over as being conceited or blowing ones own trumpet, so I would really appreciate other peoples honest comments on the Uptown Down South promotions at both Abshott & Newbury.

I would also like to nominate the Bournemouth Modern do's at Cagney's, hard work promoting upfront rare soul music in areas were traditionally Rare Soul events arnt that well attended any way period.........so big props to Jason.

Russ

Russ, i attended some of the later soul nights at newbury and they were truely amazing, so much so that in my humble opinion, the best soul nights i've ever attended for open mindiness and sheer quality of music, also big thanks to Jason desmond at Cagneys, both these clubs were so much in front in of most of the soul clubs in the UK, then and today. Uptown Down Soul come on let's be aving you!

[Guest vinylvixen]

GOT TO BE WEST HAMPTEAD STARLIGHT SUITE THE FORERUNNER TO THE LONGEST RUNNING ALLNIGHTER IN THE COUNTRY - 100 CLUB

I second that emotion..............and These Old Shoes.........small is beautiful and recently - Rob Kay's Willington night - pure class and wonderful people who just love enjoying themselves whatever was on the decks..........and i'm back at Willington on December 28th...does anyone have any othere details like contacts/ flyer etc? Jo

[Guest vinylvixen]

TOTALLY AGREE, IMPORTANT VENUE, CERTAINLY RESPONSIBLE FOR CHANGE OF MUSICAL CONTENT AT MANY OTHER VENUES.

WEST HAMPSTEAD - HAPPY NIGHTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALAN.

I will have to work out how to use a scanner and get my West Hampstead photos posted......forgot to mention Martin Gavin's Caledonia Soul in Glasgow - stunning night and Jason Desmond's night at Cagney's in Bournemouth...............and London's Capitol Soul and Scenesville @ Notre Dame - gone but not forgotten......and Exeter....that's a brilliant night and well attended. Jo

[Little-stevie]

Did anyone go to the Droylsden niters in Manchester during the 90s..Great venue and music policy..Can anyone send me or post up a flyer,djs etc.