Quinvy Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Madness to pay that much for a record in this state. Having said that, it'll probably be "polished" to make it fit for Dj'ing, or sold on as mint. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150801457971?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Dave Pinch Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 i was watching that and thought about having a go at it when it was $150 comin into the last 10 mins..decided against it when i listen to the soundclip again
Jumpinjoan Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 I have records that sound a lot worse lol. Saying that, I haven't paid big money for them. Why on earth would the seller not include the vocals in the sound clip? If you didn't already know it there's no way you would buy it surely, that would be madness.
Garswood Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Madness to pay that much for a record in this state. Having said that, it'll probably be "polished" to make it fit for Dj'ing, or sold on as mint. https://www.ebay.co.u...984.m1423.l2649 the soundclip sounded awful, when you say polished, is that the same as skimming and would it improve the sound quality, i won a record once that was advertised as polished but even though it was very shiny you could still see the marks all over the record
Quinvy Posted April 30, 2012 Author Posted April 30, 2012 the soundclip sounded awful, when you say polished, is that the same as skimming and would it improve the sound quality, i won a record once that was advertised as polished but even though it was very shiny you could still see the marks all over the record Yes, same thing. There's an awful lot around. I can recognise one easily, but have been sold them many times by "reputable dealers" I'm not sure how many people are activly involved in this practice, but one name keeps appearing every time this subject comes up. Buyer beware.
Julianb Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Madness to pay that much for a record in this state. Having said that, it'll probably be "polished" to make it fit for Dj'ing, or sold on as mint. https://www.ebay.co.u...984.m1423.l2649 This 45 was sold about a month ago - I assume the buyer returned it, unless the seller was bidding the price up. It fetched about the same price last time. Strange world of northern soul.
boba Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 The buyer did not return the one a month ago, George Gell won it (and posted about it here I think). This is a different copy. I was the second bidder both times. I heard the soundclip but I am very good at cleaning records and can usually make them sound better. I do not polish records, that is one of my biggest peeves.
Steve G Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Blimee Bob, that means you must have bid $750 for a record described as "g". I am shocked
George G Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 The buyer did not return the one a month ago, George Gell won it (and posted about it here I think). This is a different copy. I was the second bidder both times. I heard the soundclip but I am very good at cleaning records and can usually make them sound better. I do not polish records, that is one of my biggest peeves. Just to make clear I did not win (or bid) on these auctions, I already have a clean copy of the record in my collection. I did post about it though. I believe the winner of the first auction is an active member on SS. I thought that it may have been the same copy that was listed and that first sale fell through, but I'll take your word there were two copies. I didn't check the sound quality, I assume that it plays noisy. The flip side is a good ballad, it's too long though and suffers from subpar mastering. If anyone cares, it was recorded in January 1974. - george
boba Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Just to make clear I did not win (or bid) on these auctions, I already have a clean copy of the record in my collection. I did post about it though. I believe the winner of the first auction is an active member on SS. I thought that it may have been the same copy that was listed and that first sale fell through, but I'll take your word there were two copies. I didn't check the sound quality, I assume that it plays noisy. The flip side is a good ballad, it's too long though and suffers from subpar mastering. If anyone cares, it was recorded in January 1974. - george I'm very sorry, I confused your earlier post about the price of the record with thinking you won it, I'm really sorry. It definitely is a different copy though, this one played worse than the previous one. Thanks.
Wiggyflat Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 (edited) Ive bought loads from this seller.He usually has numerous copies of each record so don't be suprised if other copies surface.Never has mint of any 45's though. Edited April 30, 2012 by wiggyflat
boba Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 Ive bought loads from this seller.He usually has numerous copies of each record so don't be suprised if other copies surface.Never has mint of any 45's though. he has mint copies of the store stock he got in detroit.
Kris Holmes Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 yeah, he definitely has mint records on some stuff, but I get your drift, it can be gruelsville to browse his stuff being a condition freak like I am. He manages to get good prices for his stuff, people check his lists pretty religiously so more power to him if the bidders are not caring about condition.
boba Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 yeah, he definitely has mint records on some stuff, but I get your drift, it can be gruelsville to browse his stuff being a condition freak like I am. He manages to get good prices for his stuff, people check his lists pretty religiously so more power to him if the bidders are not caring about condition. Plus his listings wouldn't interest you because he doesn't sell many aretha franklin and otis redding 45s. ... just kidding! I care a lot about condition, some very rare records you have to take them as they come. Plus I'm really good at cleaning records, I can generally tell from the clip how it will sound after cleaned. I remember the first auctions he did, there was all sorts of crazy stuff that nobody had seen for sale before. I remember it was the first time I saw the Honey B's 45, I think I was like the second bidder at around $40. I wish I could have my collection but skip to ebay 10 years ago.
boba Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 What are polishing & skimming ? I guess there are a bunch of ways that people do it, but basically it involves removing the top layer of the vinyl / styrene. It does nothing to improve the sound and just makes the record look cleaner -- surface scuffs are gone, the record gets an artificial sheen, and you can see dull half-scratches that used to be deeper scratches. It's a shady practice IMO because it's not cleaning the record any more or helping the play, it just creates an artificial appearance of the record being clean and hides the real condition. Some sellers use it lightly but some sellers grind the record down so there are no visible scratches, even when the record is totally unplayable. I think the sellers that do it think that they're being clever as they're somehow making the record look super clean but it's pretty easy to tell a record has been polished when it has happened, it has a weird shine, there are these weird half-scratches, and it looks wrong. It actually has the weird shine of those RCA dynaflex pressings (and I guess it is difficult to tell if an RCA dynaflex 45 has been polished).
Guest allnightandy Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 How long has this practice been going on ? Only i bought a couple of records a few years ago from the states and they were advertised as Un played and sure enough they are so shiny , they are like mirrors , just as if they were pressed the day before , but didn't notice any scratches !LoL
Glynthornhill Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 He gets more than ' good ' prices , way above the norm St Louis based well known dealer who has a big buying public in USA.... Cleared out Detroit with a mailshot to thousands of individual address asking for old soul 45' s ... something of a machine who lists 100s every week across 2 Ebay I D ' s . Always gets top dollar even for ' average ' 45' s
Quinvy Posted May 1, 2012 Author Posted May 1, 2012 I guess there are a bunch of ways that people do it, but basically it involves removing the top layer of the vinyl / styrene. It does nothing to improve the sound and just makes the record look cleaner -- surface scuffs are gone, the record gets an artificial sheen, and you can see dull half-scratches that used to be deeper scratches. It's a shady practice IMO because it's not cleaning the record any more or helping the play, it just creates an artificial appearance of the record being clean and hides the real condition. Some sellers use it lightly but some sellers grind the record down so there are no visible scratches, even when the record is totally unplayable. I think the sellers that do it think that they're being clever as they're somehow making the record look super clean but it's pretty easy to tell a record has been polished when it has happened, it has a weird shine, there are these weird half-scratches, and it looks wrong. It actually has the weird shine of those RCA dynaflex pressings (and I guess it is difficult to tell if an RCA dynaflex 45 has been polished). I must be mistaken then.........I thought the idea of polishing / skimming was to make badly scratched records play better? Otherwise there's no point in doing it.
boba Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 I must be mistaken then.........I thought the idea of polishing / skimming was to make badly scratched records play better? Otherwise there's no point in doing it. it does not make the records play better. it makes them look like they are less damaged than they are. it's purely aesthetic.
dthedrug Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 HI ALL Sorry I have to disagree with you. as that was the hippys answer for being scruffy and having long hair? DAVE 'NEVER TRUST A HIPPY Johnny Rotton 76'
Pete S Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 I must be mistaken then.........I thought the idea of polishing / skimming was to make badly scratched records play better? Otherwise there's no point in doing it. Sadly you are mistaken - it's simply to improve the appearance of the record, sometimes in order to deceive.
Stevie Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 Agreed Pete - particularily from those dealers who grade 'visually'...
boba Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 Agreed Pete - particularily from those dealers who grade 'visually'... not all of them, and i don't want to call them out publicly, but at least two arizona sellers that used to be honest are doing this now. one directly admitted it in response to a message about it, another denied it and said he was going to report me to ebay (for what? getting ripped off by him?) but he wrote some stuff which directly contradicted messages sent over a previous sale he sent me of a polished record.
Pete S Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 Is this a physical process or chemical ? Both - some do it with polishing tools, some do it with t cut!
Quinvy Posted May 2, 2012 Author Posted May 2, 2012 (edited) I don't understand this...............I know people who have bought records off ebay that played very badly with many pops and clicks. Then I have heard them play that record out, and it has sounded perfect. They said they had the record polished. Surely if a record has many scratches, and is noisy, it will play better when these scratches have been removed? Edited May 2, 2012 by Quinvy
Pete S Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 I don't understand this...............I know people who have bought records off ebay that played very badly with many pops and clicks. Then I have heard them play that record out, and it has sounded perfect. They said they had the record polished. Surely if a record has many scratches, and is noisy, it will play better when these scratches have been removed? You can't remove scratches, you can wear them down a little and sometimes you can cut a scratch back into the groove, I used to be able to do that until my eyes went, but if it's bad in the first place, polishing will have no effect whatsoever apart from making it look better. You could give me a record on, say, UK Stateside in terrible condition and I could give it back to you half an hour later in mint condition. Not that I would, but thats how easy it is to do. With certain types of vinyl, boiling water / steam takes the top surface off.
Mister Fish Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 The buyer did not return the one a month ago, George Gell won it (and posted about it here I think). This is a different copy. I was the second bidder both times. I heard the soundclip but I am very good at cleaning records and can usually make them sound better. I do not polish records, that is one of my biggest peeves. I for one am interested in how you clean your records Bob? 2
boba Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 I for one am interested in how you clean your records Bob? doesn't everyone have their own set of secret ninja techniques? anyways, it doesn't involve glue...
Sutty Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 Now THIS is eBay insanity, someone posted on soulstrut earlier, read the description! https://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item5649f693ea&item=370608083946&nma=true&pt=UK_Records&rt=nc&si=aw1cmgWPKvV2%2FBzKfseiJXY5PqQ%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc#ht_500wt_922 And some idiot paid £370 for it!
Kris Holmes Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 Now THIS is eBay insanity, someone posted on soulstrut earlier, read the description! https://www.ebay.com/...nc#ht_500wt_922 And some idiot paid £370 for it! that is pretty ridiculous
boba Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 I don't understand this...............I know people who have bought records off ebay that played very badly with many pops and clicks. Then I have heard them play that record out, and it has sounded perfect. They said they had the record polished. Surely if a record has many scratches, and is noisy, it will play better when these scratches have been removed? It could be possible that the skimming removed some dirt that would have also been removed via cleaning. It definitely doesn't "remove" scratches though.
NEV Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 The buyer did not return the one a month ago, George Gell won it (and posted about it here I think). This is a different copy. I was the second bidder both times. I heard the soundclip but I am very good at cleaning records and can usually make them sound better. I do not polish records, that is one of my biggest peeves. Disappointed in you here Bob ...firstly for revealing the name of someone you thought won it ..and secondly for getting it wrong It was actually me who got the first copy I was very happy to get it for the price ,and for those who were at Bishop Auckland Cricket club on easter Sunday ..could probably vouch that it sounded ok when i played it out Beggars can't be choosers and when something is rare and indemand ...you takes your chances and are very thankful when one comes along . P.s The previous copy ( a yr back) was slightly better grade and went for $1000 more than mine ,so it would be very interesting to see what a nice clean copy sells for ?
Geordiejohnson Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 My taste in music must be changing because i think this is utter dross, i wouldn't part with a tenner for it in minty condition .....the strange world of .......ahhh you thought i was going to put N soul .no the collectors need to have a track at any cost, and im utterly guilty of it ....but i would draw the line at this track.... the soundbites are shocking....hope it washed up better Nev. thank god we've all got different tastes or all my wants would be totally snapped up Geeoooooooordie
boba Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 Disappointed in you here Bob ...firstly for revealing the name of someone you thought won it ..and secondly for getting it wrong It was actually me who got the first copy yeah that was stupid. i apologized... sorry again George.
MrsWoodsrules Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 I've had a few from this guy & generally all okay. I get regular emails from him since then, which is nice to be informed as to what he is selling. Aid.
Philippe Posted May 6, 2012 Posted May 6, 2012 To me Funkyou! is one of the more reliable seller on ebay, period. 1
Guest mickeyfish58 Posted May 6, 2012 Posted May 6, 2012 To me Funkyou! is one of the more reliable seller on ebay, period. i agree with you on that and funkyousounds is also very good
Philippe Posted May 6, 2012 Posted May 6, 2012 funkyousounds is also very good It's the same guy, Mickey.
Guest mickeyfish58 Posted May 6, 2012 Posted May 6, 2012 It's the same guy, Mickey. no there is two coz one of em says on his site that you cannot combine the postage with the other coz they two sep people
NEV Posted May 6, 2012 Posted May 6, 2012 My taste in music must be changing because i think this is utter dross, i wouldn't part with a tenner for it in minty condition .....the strange world of .......ahhh you thought i was going to put N soul .no the collectors need to have a track at any cost, and im utterly guilty of it ....but i would draw the line at this track.... the soundbites are shocking....hope it washed up better Nev. thank god we've all got different tastes or all my wants would be totally snapped up Geeoooooooordie Thats not my copy Geordie ...this is the latest copy to surface ..same seller but mine was about a month back . Utter dross ..lol ..thank god we all don't like the same music eh
boba Posted May 6, 2012 Posted May 6, 2012 Thats not my copy Geordie ...this is the latest copy to surface ..same seller but mine was about a month back . Utter dross ..lol ..thank god we all don't like the same music eh sweet side is killer.
NEV Posted May 6, 2012 Posted May 6, 2012 sweet side is killer. Uncanny how so many funky uptempo 45's are backed with killer soulful tunes
Mick Holdsworth Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Now THIS is eBay insanity, someone posted on soulstrut earlier, read the description! https://www.ebay.com/...nc#ht_500wt_922 And some idiot paid £370 for it! When I started to read that description, I thought it was a bargain, until I saw the actual record was not really anything to do with the Beatles, just someone who just happened to be around at the same time. But there are Beatles fanatics out there by the thousands - maybe the winner knew what they bought. Many years ago, I saw a ridiculous item go through eBay - It was just a scrap of paper that had recording notations on it, but it turned out to be recording levels for an Elvis Presley track at Sun. Apparently there was some provenance with it and I think it was well into 4 figures ($).
Jim G Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Another example Joe Mama https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Northern-Soul-R-B-Listen-Joe-Jama-My-Life-Rare-Optimum-45-/180876977656#ht_1013wt_689
Liljimmycrank Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Nowt wrong with this seller at all. Never had a skimmed or polished record from him, and they're gradings/descriptions are always bang on the money. If they says it's beat it usually is. Always puts a soundclip up anyway so people can take a punt if they want. I was watching this one too, but decided against it cos i can't clean records up like Bob, nor can i provide epicly funny stories of new glue technics like him either Azza
Scooterboy Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Another example Joe Mama https://www.ebay.com/...6#ht_1013wt_689 Perhaps ebay should introduce a new classification? New Used FUBAR ...plays great though? Hmmm...even if it does, I suspect the price is a tad optimisitic.
boba Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 Hmmm...even if it does, I suspect the price is a tad optimisitic. whenever someone in the US sees a record they own go for 4 figures, dollar signs light up in their eyes
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