Michael Cox - Uk Parlaphone - I'll Always Love You

[Guest julesp1905]

Anybody know a value for this Spinners cover version, thanks in advance

Edited April 23, 2012 by julesp1905

[Pete S]

£10 - £20

[Guest julesp1905]

Thanks Pete, brought a job lot of British demos from a charity shop this morning for 50p each

Including

Paul Stewart Movement on Decca

Mia Lewis - No Time For Loves on Parlaphone

Dan Patrick - Tiger Lee Stateside

lee dorsey My Old Car Stateside

Donald Lautrec No Girls for me Decca

The Association - Windy London.

Nothing special but should bring in a few record tokens for me

[Pete S]

Don't know many of those mate but I'd buy em off you just for the labels!

[Guest julesp1905]

I've had a play through them, certainly nothing to write home about music wise, but each to his own.

Not really been able to find out much about the two on decca, or the Mia Lewis, so think i'll chance my arm on evil bay with them, 1p start and see what happens

[Denbo]

The Dan Patrick is an oddity, in that it's a member of the Soul Supply Series on Stateside and doesn't / didn't sound like a soul record to me, well not the last time I played it. Pretty obscure I'd say. Is it in good nick?

[Guest julesp1905]

Definately not Soul, A side is a bluesy RnB Number, with the flip sounding more Psych,Nice condition though, grade it as VG+ EX at a push,, not mint, but no scratches, just signs of coming out of the sleeve, strange really as none were in sleeves.was expecting them to be battered

Also got Jeannie Lambe - Montuno Blues which ain't a bad bit of Hammond Jazz on CBS

Edited April 23, 2012 by julesp1905

[Denbo]

Yeah, grade it as VG+ EX at a push,, not mint, but no scratches, just signs of coming out of the sleeve, strange really as none were in sleeves.

Also got Jeannie Lambe - Montuno Blues which ain't a bad bit of Hammond Jazz on CBS

Don't know that one? How about a personal message sound file of it?

[Guest julesp1905]

Are you a member of the RnB group on facebook, i've not worked out how to do sound files yet, but it is on You tube and i've posted a link on there

[Denbo]

Are you a member of the RnB group on facebook, i've not worked out how to do sound files yet, but it is on You tube and i've posted a link on there

That'll do. Thanks.

Which RnB group on Facebook? There are a few.

[Guest julesp1905]

RnB123, sorry, there are a few

[Pete S]

Paul Stewart Movement is related to Hamilton Movement who had 2 rare singles on Polydor (I think).

Mia Lewis two singles on Decca, 3 on Parlophone including the Northern "Nothing lasts forever", the other 2 on Parlophone nothing to write home about.

Donald Lautrec mod/beat thing.

Dan Patrick is an Allen Toussaint thing.

I'll but that Michael Cox off you if you want to flog it Jules.

[Guest julesp1905]

Thanks Pete, sent you a PM regarding the Michael Cox

[robhallam]

I have Hamilton Movement 'really saying something' (cover of the Velvelettes) on Polydor. Is it worth anything?

Rob

[Pete S]

I have Hamilton Movement 'really saying something' (cover of the Velvelettes) on Polydor. Is it worth anything?

Rob

Supposedly worth £80 Rob. That might be for the demo copy. It's certainly a rare 45.

[dthedrug]

£10 - £20

HI ALL It's a shame (no pun intended) but have to agree with Pete on the value of this one, Personally as far as cover versions go, I enjoy the backing track, but the record itself fails for several reasons, 1, Micheal Cox, was out of his comfort zone of what he had previously recorded, with the great Joe Meek, at RGM who was the master of TIN PAN ALLEY, bit sadly recognised that once Merseybeat had hit the pop chart with cover versions of black music from the states, his genius production ways, were not required,

If we compare Meeks work rate and input, to the owner of NEMS and the success that Brian Epstein was having with the act that he had signed for NEMS, Meek must of got depressed that the big success of Epstian was his non involvement with his acts,

As such it must of also hurt that Epstian, had found the talented GEORGE MARTN, who had his own label PARLAPHONE, which was part of EMI, as Joe Meek was independent with RGM much of his product was issue through both EMI & DECCA,

This was so significant, as Meek had to book studio time for all his acts George Martin could fit all of Epstians work in as he controlled the studio,

2. What makes 1 record of more value than another? well taste is one, but more to the point is if we look at another MOTOWN cover version, this was the discovery by Pete Smith of Ben Browns cover of Just ask the lone;y, it's discovery took as far as I aware all hard core collectors by surprise, as not only was it a good record, it was not a like for like copy of a classic, in particular was the vocal of the record, the producer must have recognised that Ben's voice as a solo singer would make a significant change to the recordingm Cox's cover was delivered in such a manor his Irish accent made him sound like he was lead vocalist in a irish showband, a style of music that was never popular in the UK, and if we do a direct comparison with Irish singer Ray Merrel, you will gear the difference of how Cox should of sung on the recording.

3,For collectors of UK uptempo or beat ballads that no matter how good, they are in competition with many great US records, and to make the situation worse, because the wrong DJ played the very worst example of UK product at the WIGAN CASINO, Many pureists on the scene have been scared by what happened by playing rubbish, and the consequence that it took the talents from seriouse UK collectors to take over the DJing to re establish the UK product, as such a new demand for collecting UK releases come back into being popular, but to this day only a small amount have made it big on the scene,

4. Micheal Cox cover was one of the 1st Bach of records that most collectors would put in their collections but was apart from a few plays never seen as a record to DJ with, However the Ben Brown Cover was recognised across the board as a Northern record and as such is still in demand, but for some reason it's full value and potential I believe has yet to be reached, so even this version can be picked up for under £40, and dealers in UK soul will give £20 tops for a mint copy, this is one reason unless I get a spare copy, that I hate partying with records, and another reason for some collectors just focused on collecting the top records only, rather than collecting soul records in the way it was, added to that the fact that the impact of CD have had since the 80s.

5, to conclude, I like the record and it is good enough to keep if you are a collector, as a dealer it has not got much value, if you follow Pete Smiths NEW SITE dedicated to all UK products and you are new to collecting as time goes by, you will see how diverse the collecting scene is with rare UK prices, and many times you may feel that the prices given are not in keeping with your own valuation, however in cases like this one you have to go along with what value the dealers put on a record as you will not get a explanation for every record like I have given, DAVE K

Edited April 23, 2012 by dthedrug

[Guest julesp1905]

Thanks for your Input Dave, hear exactly what your saying, Though the Michael Cox is winging it's way to Wovlerhampton this week as it's not really my thing.

Out of twelve records purchased, 2 thrown away as completely useless, 3 kept for my own collection, and 7 to sell, now 6 to fund things i do want.

[dthedrug]

Hi over the years I have had many records that for whatever reason, that have ended up in boxes, that have not been played in some cases for years, only to find that a DJ is playing the record and it has become indemand, this is so true for some of the great soul records that are sung by Jamaican artists, and totally ignored on the rare soul scene, except Jackie Edwards & Jimmy Cliff,

One record that comes to mind that had been in my box of pre 68 Jamaican records was Glen Miller, I always liked the record, but quite clearly along with many records I have played Mick Smith he would after 10 seconds lift the needle of and give me the stare of mentor to pupil as to why this was I can only guess, but when it got played, who would ever have thought that the record would be so popular, it took me by surprise as it become a good earner, as I took to the phone and rang all the collectors of JA music and even got the 1st STAG copy for £30 of a well known dealer in NOTTS, who only got wind of the that it was breaking into the Northern scene.

Actually I could have sold it for more than I did, but it went to a good guy Ady Lipton. but better still I sold it in front of Mick, and gave him £5O as I used his time and stall at Keele, Just to say you could of had at least 4 copies of me 2 years ago for that price?

As we are all aware that music whether it's rare or just in demand has a fickle market place, as again a few months back on this site I offer a JAMES WALSH issue that did not sell? and Pete sold a DEMO for around £50, OK so many people got a pressing of it? but a few weeks ago, John Manship got £110 for a DEMO? I can't make sense of it all except that John got about the right price, for such a rare record, not an inflated price that some people thinks that he gets?? who cares, at the end of the day you sell at your peril, DAVE

[hansgruber]

I have Hamilton Movement 'really saying something' (cover of the Velvelettes) on Polydor. Is it worth anything?

Rob

I'm after a copy of this rob, are you selling?

phil