Ringleaders On M-pac

[Pete S]

Someone has one of these over in sales at 500 quid. Why????

[Cheapsiderecords]

Because there are dicks out there that will pay it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[grant]

Because there are dicks out there that will pay it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thought it was expensive when i paid a tenner for it at wigan

[Headsy]

it was

[Guest Stuart T]

Someone has one of these over in sales at 500 quid. Why????

Incredible. I thought prices were just getting more "sensible" (if they ever really were) again and then I see a record being offered at 30% more than the last time one was offered recently and didn't appear to sell. Its worse than house prices round here sometimes.

[Pete S]

OK I've got a copy for sale now, £200 or thereabouts, any advance on £200?

[Marc Forrest]

sold mine 8 years ago now for the back then unbelievable high sum of 60 UKP But wouldn`t like to pay more today myself.

[Blake H]

It used to be a "Front page special" on Soul Bowl for..............85p

If I knew then etc etc :angry: :angry:

BH

[Chalky]

It used to be a "Front page special" on Soul Bowl for..............85p

If I knew then etc etc :angry: :angry:

BH

Not only did Soul Bowl find 100's of these it also sold well locally over in the States.

Personally wouldn't pay anymore than £50, not rare by any stretch of the imagination.

Edited December 16, 2005 by chalky

[Guest Baz]

Never understood why this has fectched any money at all.........biggest load of over-rated muck i can think of

[Simsy]

sold mine 8 years ago now for the back then unbelievable high sum of 60 UKP .

Ditto, maybe couple years earlier for £15 . What a dick ... :angry:

Edited December 16, 2005 by Simsy

[Chalky]

Never understood why this has fectched any money at all.........biggest load of over-rated muck i can think of

Personally think it's a great record, always loved it but it's been hammered

[Guest gibber]

OK I've got a copy for sale now, £200 or thereabouts, any advance on £200?

Sean chapman had one in is sale box for £300

[Guest Baz]

Personally think it's a great record, always loved it but it's been hammered

Never really touched me for some reason, got all the credentials of a record i would love......male group from Chicago ( i think ) like you say you do hear this at most soul nights from hear to timbucktoo

[Chalky]

Never really touched me for some reason, got all the credentials of a record i would love......male group from Chicago ( i think ) like you say you do hear this at most soul nights from hear to timbucktoo

Ringleaders were from Saginaw, Michigan. Willie Hawkins, Vandy Lane, Edgar Donahue & Brent Anderson.

[Guest Baz]

Ringleaders were from Saginaw, Michigan. Willie Hawkins, Vandy Lane, Edgar Donahue & Brent Anderson.

Is M-Pac a Chicago lable

[pikeys dog]

Is M-Pac a Chicago lable

Yep

[Guest Baz]

Yep

Thought so, hence why i persumed they were from there

[Guest Soulfood33]

Not only did Soul Bowl find 100's of these it also sold well locally over in the States.

Personally wouldn't pay anymore than £50, not rare by any stretch of the imagination.

£1.50 on my oldest Soul Bowl list I could find: even then the price double almost double over night

[Ted Massey]

Johnny Beggs and I were working for Pep in Wolverhampton a few years ago and we were saying what a great record it was and we both wanted it In comes Dave Kilworth witha small box first record out ringleaders £6 sorted

[Guest StoneSoul45]

Great cut! Personally, I like the flip better. Not a dancer but a really beautiful ballad. I don't really see it in Chicago much, never mint. I think all the clean stock copies went over to england in the 80s. BASTARDS!

Theres two unreleased Ringleaders cuts out there on a bootleg 45. Highly recommended!

The group was from Saginaw Michigan.

[Chalky]

got the acetate/studio cut somewhere, sounds so much better.

anyone got the Rags To Riches from the acetate?

[Guest Bearsoul]

Never understood why this has fectched any money at all.........biggest load of over-rated muck i can think of

OTHER SIDE NOT BAD ..BAZ

CHRIS M

[Peter Richer]

In answer to Pete's original question - 'why is it up for sale at £500?' - the sales thread that it was on had quite a few in demand records which people seemed to be gushing about, but the sample I checked (Martha Star, Ellusions, Ringleaders, Don Varner, Andrea Henry, Betty Lloyd etc.) all had prices directly taken from Manships Price Guide volume 3.

The interesting thing was that not one person on that thread suggested any of the prices were too expensive!

Presumably everyone's following the suggestion that sales prices should not be questioned on their originating thread, which is why Pete started a separate topic here to comment on the Ringleaders price.

Either that or everyone now accepts that the Manship vol. 3 prices are just about right?!?

[Pete S]

In answer to Pete's original question - 'why is it up for sale at £500?' - the sales thread that it was on had quite a few in demand records which people seemed to be gushing about, but the sample I checked (Martha Star, Ellusions, Ringleaders, Don Varner, Andrea Henry, Betty Lloyd etc.) all had prices directly taken from Manships Price Guide volume 3.

The interesting thing was that not one person on that thread suggested any of the prices were too expensive!

Presumably everyone's following the suggestion that sales prices should not be questioned on their originating thread, which is why Pete started a separate topic here to comment on the Ringleaders price.

Either that or everyone now accepts that the Manship vol. 3 prices are just about right?!?

In my case it was definitely because I didn't want to make comments about prices on the same thread as the records for sale so I took it away. The Ellusions and Ringleaders were certainly too expensive and both were discussed elsewhere. But I think maybe it was better to move it away from the sales section as it hasn't really caused any trouble (I hope)

[Ted Massey]

got the acetate/studio cut somewhere, sounds so much better.

anyone got the Rags To Riches from the acetate?

Is that the thing Sam had Chalks

[Jerry Hipkiss]

Great cut! Personally, I like the flip better. Not a dancer but a really beautiful ballad. I don't really see it in Chicago much, never mint. I think all the clean stock copies went over to england in the 80s. BASTARDS!

Yup, Soul Bowl bought the entire remaining stock - and as we know it was the proverbial "cheapie". however they gradually disappeared into collections and it was a classic case of supply and demand when someone finally reactivated it, no one wanted to sell (that's until they found out what people were offering! ). Good thing is that if you buy one in the UK chances are they'll be in good nick, as Stone Soul says the few that I've seen from US sources have been somewhat unluv'd!

Hippo.

[Chalky]

Is that the thing Sam had Chalks

thinkin of wrong acetate Ted

[Bigsoulman]

Never understood why this has fectched any money at all.........biggest load of over-rated muck i can think of

Baz!!!,

i'm shocked wonderful record one of my top ten all timers, can't believe you don't like this

Lenny

[Simon T]

got the acetate/studio cut somewhere, sounds so much better.

anyone got the Rags To Riches from the acetate?

Isn't Rag to Riches by the Blue Notes of Bernie Williams backing on Fucused O You / It's Needless To Say, but not Harold Melvin fame?

[Chalky]

Isn't Rag to Riches by the Blue Notes of Bernie Williams backing on Fucused O You / It's Needless To Say, but not Harold Melvin fame?

yep...thats the one I was thinking off but I'd also had a few beers It's on one of the acetates of Tears Tell The Whole Sad Story (Needless To Say), the one Rob Thomas owns I think. Can't remember whats on the flip of the one Kitch owns.

Edited December 17, 2005 by chalky

[Guest]

Spoiling sales again are we? Where are all the guardians of right and wrong when you need them? Some ARE more equal than others.

[Simon T]

Spoiling sales again are we? Where are all the guardians of right and wrong when you need them? Some ARE more equal than others.

[Chalky]

Spoiling sales again are we? Where are all the guardians of right and wrong when you need them? Some ARE more equal than others.

Take it that was a reference to me First off the question was why someone would pay so much for a Ringleaders in TALK VINYL. I gave my opinion...just like you do on numerous occasions. If this was in sales I wouldn't say anything but as it was a discussion about the Ringleaders in another forum why shouldn't I be able to say what I think?

Is there owt in the post yet?

Edited December 17, 2005 by chalky

[Simon T]

yep...thats the one I was thinking off but I'd also had a few beers It's on one of the acetates of Tears Tell The Whole Sad Story (Needless To Say), the one Rob Thomas owns I think. Can't remember whats on the flip of the one Kitch owns.

Isn't one of the acetates of TTTWSS attributed to the Topics? I think they're the same cut though.

[Chalky]

Isn't one of the acetates of TTTWSS attributed to the Topics? I think they're the same cut though.

Not the Topics, different group, although don't think they had anything issued. One of the acetates is uncredited I think but both Bernard Williams and Blue Notes, pretty certain about that....one 7 inch and one 8 or ten inch

[Guest Dan]

Spoiling sales again are we? Where are all the guardians of right and wrong when you need them? Some ARE more equal than others.

different forum, different topic, no mention of anyone ripping people off, christian. don't get paranoid

[Chalky]

different forum, different topic, no mention of anyone ripping people off, christian. don't get paranoid

Dan, I think your getting paranoid and shit stirring mixed up

Like I said, I wouldn't dream of saying something out of order in sales and dismissing someones price but like we both said this is in a discussion section

[Dave Abbott]

Never understood why this has fectched any money at all.........biggest load of over-rated muck i can think of

Baz, go clean ya ears out

Prob the best £4 i've ever spent

[Guest Dan]

Dan, I think your getting paranoid and shit stirring mixed up

i was being polite, chalky

you yorkshire lads are plain speaking folk though

[Guest]

Dan, I think your getting paranoid and shit stirring mixed up

Like I said, I wouldn't dream of saying something out of order in sales and dismissing someones price but like we both said this is in a discussion section

I didn't have you in mind at all Chalky. My own involvment in a recent embarassing incident is one thing (and a thing I have apologised for), and general thoughts on the subject is another. My point is that sometimes everyone defends the sellers right to price records anyway he sees fit, the "if you don't like the price, don't buy" doctrine. Many often also defend a buyer who spends ten times the going rate saying that it is his hard earned which he can spend anyway he likes, there are no prices, price is only set by what the highest bidder is prepared to pay, etc. All of this can be said to be true, but sometimes you see the same champions of free pricing freak out and display their anger, scorn, ridicule and general condemnation of certain prices, sellers and buyers. I am personally for sensible commenting and discussion of prices. If someone is listing something for £500, and this is said to be insane in another section of the same forum, it's not exactly going to make much difference is it, the sale is still potentially spoiled.

On to the Ringleaders, a great record IMO, but pretty common. I thought the 'going rate' nowadays was around £300 (which is way too much if you ask me), so £500 does seem a bit steep. Maybe some people pay £500 for it nowadays though?

P.S. Chalky, an envelope is on the way, it should hopefully be with you in the near future.

[Blake H]

I didn't have you in mind at all Chalky. My own involvment in a recent embarassing incident is one thing (and a thing I have apologised for), and general thoughts on the subject is another. My point is that sometimes everyone defends the sellers right to price records anyway he sees fit, the "if you don't like the price, don't buy" doctrine. Many often also defend a buyer who spends ten times the going rate saying that it is his hard earned which he can spend anyway he likes, there are no prices, price is only set by what the highest bidder is prepared to pay, etc. All of this can be said to be true, but sometimes you see the same champions of free pricing freak out and display their anger, scorn, ridicule and general condemnation of certain prices, sellers and buyers. I am personally for sensible commenting and discussion of prices. If someone is listing something for £500, and this is said to be insane in another section of the same forum, it's not exactly going to make much difference is it, the sale is still potentially spoiled.

On to the Ringleaders, a great record IMO, but pretty common. I thought the 'going rate' nowadays was around £300 (which is way too much if you ask me), so £500 does seem a bit steep. Maybe some people pay £500 for it nowadays though?

P.S. Chalky, an envelope is on the way, it should hopefully be with you in the near future.

Ever thought of going into politics?

BH

[Chalky]

i was being polite, chalky

you yorkshire lads are plain speaking folk though

straight to the point lad

no use beating round the bush as me gran used to say

I didn't have you in mind at all Chalky. My own involvment in a recent embarassing incident is one thing (and a thing I have apologised for), and general thoughts on the subject is another. My point is that sometimes everyone defends the sellers right to price records anyway he sees fit, the "if you don't like the price, don't buy" doctrine. Many often also defend a buyer who spends ten times the going rate saying that it is his hard earned which he can spend anyway he likes, there are no prices, price is only set by what the highest bidder is prepared to pay, etc. All of this can be said to be true, but sometimes you see the same champions of free pricing freak out and display their anger, scorn, ridicule and general condemnation of certain prices, sellers and buyers. I am personally for sensible commenting and discussion of prices. If someone is listing something for £500, and this is said to be insane in another section of the same forum, it's not exactly going to make much difference is it, the sale is still potentially spoiled.

On to the Ringleaders, a great record IMO, but pretty common. I thought the 'going rate' nowadays was around £300 (which is way too much if you ask me), so £500 does seem a bit steep. Maybe some people pay £500 for it nowadays though?

P.S. Chalky, an envelope is on the way, it should hopefully be with you in the near future.

Then accept my apologies But as only Pete Smith and myself mentioned anything to do with a price/value I assumed you was referring to me

[Guest]

Ever thought of going into politics?

BH

Yes, I have thought about it actually. I have always been conscious, but it is only recently that I have taken a more active interest in various politics.