Pete S Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Now, not quite sure where this comes into it or what level of ration it would be establishing - not sure what I'd vote for, those are both boring records in my book - surely you are not trying to say 'Cool Off' is a better 'Soul' record than 'Mighty Lover'?... That doesn't even enter in it for me where Northern Soul is concerned - Cool Off is a better Northern Soul record in my opinion. Pointless saying (to me) that because it's got proper lyrics it's therefore a proper song and is more soulful because, as you know, I don't base my favourite records on whether they are soulful or not, otherwise Joannie Sommers, Cajun Hart, Dean Parrish and Chapter Five wouldn't be in my top 30. I like what I like the sound of, I don't give it some kind of soul test first Rich. I give you Georgie Fame Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Wiggyflat Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I like them both so I bought both..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) That doesn't even enter in it for me where Northern Soul is concerned - Cool Off is a better Northern Soul record in my opinion. Pointless saying (to me) that because it's got proper lyrics it's therefore a proper song and is more soulful because, as you know, I don't base my favourite records on whether they are soulful or not, otherwise Joannie Sommers, Cajun Hart, Dean Parrish and Chapter Five wouldn't be in my top 30. I like what I like the sound of, I don't give it some kind of soul test first Rich. I give you Georgie Fame Nothing wrong with any of those records in their own right mate...I just prefer the more soulful end of Northern, hence my preference for 'Mighty lover' and of course in the real soul world, I'm in BILLY STEWART'S corner....There, taken us four or five years to go full circle but we got back there!.... Edited April 17, 2012 by rich chorley Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 So of those who expressed a preference, Cool Off wins by 7 votes to 5. I bet the people who voted for Mighty Lover probably rate If It's All The Same To You Babe higher than Exus Trek as well. You're absolutely right Pete - based on soul content rather than nostalgia content ;-) Cheers Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 You're absolutely right Pete - based on soul content rather than nostalgia content ;-) Cheers Richard No Richard I was going by "F*cking fantastic record" content rather than "lacklustre vocal version" content Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mrtag Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Both great tunes but! Mighty Lover for me! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I just went for it 'cos it was cool as f*ck! A song called "Cool Off" written and produced by Richard "Popcorn Wylie and Tony Hestor by a group called the Detrout Executives on a tiny Detroit label called Pameline. Irresistible to me and that was before I even heard it LOL..... Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jerry Hipkiss Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 One thing...I have an old Blues and Soul from 1970/71 at home, and the Ideals is listed in the New US releases section...over four years after the Mighty Lovers came out.! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 That's exactly what happened Russell. "Cool Off" was specifically made for a soft drink ad that aired in Detroit I believe...... Ian D Great story but is there any evidence of this Ian? I agree it sounds that way, but it's also clearly a 'dance fad' tune too. All those SWIM records weren't made to advertise the local baths after all Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Great story but is there any evidence of this Ian? I agree it sounds that way, but it's also clearly a 'dance fad' tune too. All those SWIM records weren't made to advertise the local baths after all You're right, nothing to do with a drinks advert, I had a superb interview recorded with Popcorn Wylie where he talks about this, I think I may have actually transcribed it in one of my magazines, anyway I lent it to Tim Brown 18 years ago and it never saw the light of day again Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest MrC Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 You're right, nothing to do with a drinks advert, I had a superb interview recorded with Popcorn Wylie where he talks about this, I think I may have actually transcribed it in one of my magazines, anyway I lent it to Tim Brown 18 years ago and it never saw the light of day again Well dig the mag out and scan it then Pete! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bossfourpart1 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Which one do you think would go down well on the dance floor most of all and what one would you have in your box? Trying to make my mind up between the two. Cheers Billy Billy , go for the " Cool off " as i know of at least 5 x copies of the Mighty lover are already kicking around in local Dj boxes. Have a nice "glass of cold pop " to think it over . Good classic oldie !!! cheers Frank Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Well dig the mag out and scan it then Pete! Haven't got a copy of it! It's Beatin Rhythm issue 14 or 15 I think. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ritchie Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) So of those who expressed a preference, Cool Off wins by 7 votes to 5. I bet the people who voted for Mighty Lover probably rate If It's All The Same To You Babe higher than Exus Trek as well. Lost your bet in this case Pete. Always gonna be Exus Trek for me Edited April 18, 2012 by ritchie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Mighty Lover, lover here I like cool off too it's just the "fine foxy thing" line makes me squirm and feel embarrassed You fine foxy thing Ritchie! That's exactly what happened Russell. "Cool Off" was specifically made for a soft drink ad that aired in Detroit I believe...... Not sure which one came first though. Did Wylie & Hestor simply re-cycle the Mighty Lovers backing track for the ad song I wonder...? Ian D I heard that as well but the sands of time have eroded when, where and from whome Mighty lover for me as well, and yes I prefer ''if it's all the same to you babe'' Theres always one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) You're right, nothing to do with a drinks advert, I had a superb interview recorded with Popcorn Wylie where he talks about this, I think I may have actually transcribed it in one of my magazines, anyway I lent it to Tim Brown 18 years ago and it never saw the light of day again I actually had a dig around the internet to see if I could find a radio or TV ad featuring "Cool Off" but drew a blank, so I'm even beginning to wonder if this was a Northern Soul urban myth. It seems a curious set of lyrics to release on a song and not be a song for a drink ad but stranger things have happened I guess...... But "The Mighty Lover" was definitely used for advertising extra-strength condoms right? Ian D Edited April 18, 2012 by Ian Dewhirst 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Billywhizz Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Hi Frank, cool off is on the way. Hope youre keeping well. Cheers Billy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulman Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Like Pete,did an interview with Popcorn and although he referred to Coke as being an influence, it wasn't an advert as such, merely an inspiration. Wen he refres to "pop" it's Coca Cola he's talking about, but not specifically. It could have been any drink of the time, It's more the feeling of wanting refreshment. If anyone is buying, I have three for sale. Mighty Lovers on Boogaloo, Cool Off on orange Pameline and a white label Cool Off autographed by Popcorn that John Anderson had done as a legit re-press which says "Best wishes Popcorn". Rarest has to be the latter as it was done in limited quantity. Next is Mighty Lovers as some were destroyed. Finally there are the two Pameline issues, orange being least rare and green being the rarer. As far as what i would play, as Ian said.... Cool Off all the way. Cool at the time and even cooler now. A superb record, a classic, a standard and a pure off the wall Northern record from a man that never yes never, got the recognition for providing the Northern scene with some of the best that we have ever had the peasure of hearing, listening to and dancing to. An unsung genius that I had the pleasure of meeting. Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest manusf3a Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Cool off anyday, reminds me of Rug who I recently hear died a few years ago played at soul nights in wilkys bedroom for a small select group of blockers along with other great sounds of the day.refreshments of the special sort being available. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Benji Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 mighty lover by a mile. I prefer proper lyrics and the whole arrangement is pretty tight. cool off being better? I ain't waving my hands like a fan but like saying goodbye to "cool off" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) So of those who expressed a preference, Cool Off wins by 7 votes to 5. What are the votes looking like now Pete - worth an update? Both fabulous records IMO and the Detroit Executives is the best group name by a mile - even though the Mighty Lovers/Ideals is a better song Cheers Richard Edited April 19, 2012 by Premium Stuff Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
The Yank Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I'll vote for "Cool Off" . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jim G Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Cool off, just.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dave Turner Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Like Pete,did an interview with Popcorn and although he referred to Coke as being an influence, it wasn't an advert as such, merely an inspiration. Wen he refres to "pop" it's Coca Cola he's talking about, but not specifically. It could have been any drink of the time, It's more the feeling of wanting refreshment. If anyone is buying, I have three for sale. Mighty Lovers on Boogaloo, Cool Off on orange Pameline and a white label Cool Off autographed by Popcorn that John Anderson had done as a legit re-press which says "Best wishes Popcorn". Rarest has to be the latter as it was done in limited quantity. Next is Mighty Lovers as some were destroyed. Finally there are the two Pameline issues, orange being least rare and green being the rarer. As far as what i would play, as Ian said.... Cool Off all the way. Cool at the time and even cooler now. A superb record, a classic, a standard and a pure off the wall Northern record from a man that never yes never, got the recognition for providing the Northern scene with some of the best that we have ever had the peasure of hearing, listening to and dancing to. An unsung genius that I had the pleasure of meeting. Steve A couple of the Coke ads that were probably Wylie's inspiration for Cool Off ... these are from 1960 I think. COOL OFF WITH COKE https://www.flickr.com/photos/bartsol/6632249697/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/bartsol/6712221035/ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulman Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 A couple of the Coke ads that were probably Wylie's inspiration for Cool Off ... these are from 1960 I think. COOL OFF WITH COKE https://www.flickr.co...sol/6632249697/ https://www.flickr.co...sol/6712221035/ Inspiration.... that's the word I should have used. Well done that man! Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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