Marjorie Black On Hib

[Neil Rushton]

Am delighted to announce that by arrangement with the mighty Robert Bateman, Inferno is releasing on HIB lookalke seven inch the wonderful "One More Hurt" by Marjorie Black.

The USA Sue release was leased to Juggy Murray by Robert, who also dealt with Sue when he and his pal Popcorn Wylie did post production work on The Poets "She Blew A Good Thing" for release on Juggy's Eastern label.

Have also secured from Robert the rights to a peviously unreleased master - "Seven Days" by Teddy Green (aka Greene). This is haunting beat ballad that was set to be released on Capitol in the 60's, but they passed on it. I got an acetate of it from Robert two years ago which now sits proudly in Mick Holdsworth's record collection. Teddy was a member of The Royal Jokers.

"Seven Days" will be released on a CD album "still OUT ON THE FLOOR TONIGHT" which is the follow up to the 1979 Inferno album of the same name. 33 years to release a follow up is a bit of a wait but there you go!.

Just sorting out the details but all being well we will also release a limited run 6 track 10" sampler from the album, and "Seven Days" will be one of the 6 tracks.

All The Best,

Neil

[Soulman]

Hey Neil,

I'll sample that!

Best

Steve Handbury

[Rick Cooper]

Am delighted to announce that by arrangement with the mighty Robert Bateman, Inferno is releasing on HIB lookalke seven inch the wonderful "One More Hurt" by Marjorie Black.

The USA Sue release was leased to Juggy Murray by Robert, who also dealt with Sue when he and his pal Popcorn Wylie did post production work on The Poets "She Blew A Good Thing" for release on Juggy's Eastern label.

Neil

Neil

Do you have any info on the musicians on "One More Hurt", in particular who is it on sax? Also when and where was it recorded and was there another two songs recorded at the same session?

Are there any photos or biog on Miss Black?

Rick

[Wilxy]

Neil,

Whilst appreciating several of the recent Inferno releases have been on the( lookalike )HIB label, of which was based in Detroit, and with the further link to the Motor City being courtesy of Robert Bateman, where were the "current" crop of releases on the logo recorded originally?

Kind Regards Mike Wilks

[purist]

Are we right to presume that this is the same Teddy Greene, who recorded one of my favourite Stafford era songs, the majestic mid paced dancer " Cry " on Capitol ?

(just noticed that this song is co-written and produced by Robert Bateman, so would they have been the same session?)

[Ernie Andrews]

The question is WHY? its on CD as far as Im aware so why release it on Vinyl- (again - Id really like to know?)

[Roburt]

I'm sure re-issue labels put out tracks on vinyl coz they SELL, simple as that !!!

[Neil Rushton]

Are we right to presume that this is the same Teddy Greene, who recorded one of my favourite Stafford era songs, the majestic mid paced dancer " Cry " on Capitol ?

(just noticed that this song is co-written and produced by Robert Bateman, so would they have been the same session?)

Yes same guy, same session.

[Neil Rushton]

The question is WHY? its on CD as far as Im aware so why release it on Vinyl- (again - Id really like to know?)

Because we like releasing singles and people like buying them.

And in the process the owner of the recordings - in this case Robert Bateman - gets paid money.

For some of the releases, for example "If It's All The Same To You Babe" - Luther Ingram/ "Exus Trek" - Luther Ingram Ochestra, we purchased the masters. Again Robert got a nice chunk of change to sell the rights, and we promplty put the single out to get some of our investment back. It's already sold nearly 1,000 copies on the Inferno/HIB seven inch which shows there is a healthy demand for re-issue inch singles, even if they have been on CD already.

And by the way Robert has not been been paid for any CD exploitation of "If It's All The Same To You Babe" or "Exus Trek"..

[Neil Rushton]

Neil,

Whilst appreciating several of the recent Inferno releases have been on the( lookalike )HIB label, of which was based in Detroit, and with the further link to the Motor City being courtesy of Robert Bateman, where were the "current" crop of releases on the logo recorded originally?

Kind Regards Mike Wilks

Hi Mike,

Am waiting info from Robert on where he produced Henry Lumpkin, The Enjoyables, Sharon Soul, The New Monitors, Billy Woods, The Lavettes,

Marjorie Black, The Drifters, Barbara Lewis, Donald Height, Harrison Brothers and others.

On the stuff released on lookalike HIB label.

If It's All The Same To You Babe - Luther Ingram/ Exus Trek - Luther Ingram Orchestra.- recorded at Golden World, Detroit with various Funk Brothers. Then strongs added and overdubbed by Robert at Mercury/Smash studio in New York (Robert called in a favour from Smash based on Luther Ingram "I Spy For The FBI" and got the use of the studio for nothing.

Me and You (Doing The Boogaloo) - Lou Courtney/ Give It Back - The Webbs - Pretty certain New York, waiting confirmation from Robert. check. There's photos of Robert in the studio at the session on the Lou Courtney album sleeve.

Crying Days Are Over/No More Tears To Cry - The Illusions. The HIB connection here is that "Exus Trek" has been (legally) sampled. The song was written last November ands recorded last November at Rhythm Studio, Alcester, Warwickshrie and mixed at same studio early December. Vocalist is Ann Saunderson of Inner City/Reese Project fame.

[Neil Rushton]

Neil

Do you have any info on the musicians on "One More Hurt", in particular who is it on sax? Also when and where was it recorded and was there another two songs recorded at the same session?

Are there any photos or biog on Miss Black?

Rick

Am waiting info but Robert searched for photos of Marjorie and cannot find any.

B side is Van McCoy song, and Robert remembers when he produced Florence Ballard on "Love Ain't Love", another McCoy gem, that Van came along to the session: "He was a small guy, really friendly, and ended up doing background vocals."

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Anything on Luther Ingram's Run For Your Life (Hurdy Gurdy) please Neil (and the flip side)?

Cheers

Richard

[Neil Rushton]

Anything on Luther Ingram's Run For Your Life (Hurdy Gurdy) please Neil (and the flip side)?

Cheers

Richard

Robert very fond of all his recordings on Luther. He sold me an acetate of the Hurdy Gurdy single but condition was not great.

Gary Holyman ended up with it.

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Robert very fond of all his recordings on Luther. He sold me an acetate of the Hurdy Gurdy single but condition was not great.

Gary Holyman ended up with it.

Do you know for sure whether it was NYC or Detroit recorded? And Luther's I Spy for that matter please?

Cheers

Richard

[Robbk]

Do you know for sure whether it was NYC or Detroit recorded? And Luther's I Spy for that matter please?

Cheers

Richard

I have read that Luther Ingram's "I Spy For The FBI" was recorded in totally New York, with Richard Tee arranging (both vocals and instrumentals). For "If It's All The Same To You Babe", Bateman had the instrumental tracks recorded in Detroit, but Ingram's vocals were recorded in New York. I would guess that ALL of those NY artists listed above had their vocals recorded by Bateman in NY. Not sure about Detroiter Teddy Greene. Bateman returned to Detroit to record Mary Wells' 20th Century Fox cuts. Most of the instrumentals on the above-listed records sung by NY/East Coast artists sound like NY recordings (rather than Detroit). But, Bateman still was using some Detroit tracks (as on the HIB release). So, it will be interesting to read which were recorded where. It will be interesting to find out which of the Detroit artists came to New York to record vocals. (I'd bet that Henry Lumpkin was already on The East Coast (he'd been with Cameo-Parkway after Motown). The new Monitors and Teddy Greene, and Barbara Lewis, however, would be interesting. Billy Woods was likely, NY.

[Neil Rushton]

I have read that Luther Ingram's "I Spy For The FBI" was recorded in totally New York, with Richard Tee arranging (both vocals and instrumentals). For "If It's All The Same To You Babe", Bateman had the instrumental tracks recorded in Detroit, but Ingram's vocals were recorded in New York. I would guess that ALL of those NY artists listed above had their vocals recorded by Bateman in NY. Not sure about Detroiter Teddy Greene. Bateman returned to Detroit to record Mary Wells' 20th Century Fox cuts. Most of the instrumentals on the above-listed records sung by NY/East Coast artists sound like NY recordings (rather than Detroit). But, Bateman still was using some Detroit tracks (as on the HIB release). So, it will be interesting to read which were recorded where. It will be interesting to find out which of the Detroit artists came to New York to record vocals. (I'd bet that Henry Lumpkin was already on The East Coast (he'd been with Cameo-Parkway after Motown). The new Monitors and Teddy Greene, and Barbara Lewis, however, would be interesting. Billy Woods was likely, NY.

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Neil

Can't see your comments mate.

Richard

Edited April 16, 2012 by Premium Stuff

[Neil Rushton]

Waiting for info from Robert.

He has sent this: "I recorded Lou Courtney and The Webs @ Bell Sound-Talent Masters-A1 - Musicor, all in N.Y>C.

and TruGloTown in Engelwood, New Jersey.

Marjorie Black @ Sue Records Recording Studio, NYC."

Edited April 16, 2012 by NeilRushton1

[Neil Rushton]

I have read that Luther Ingram's "I Spy For The FBI" was recorded in totally New York, with Richard Tee arranging (both vocals and instrumentals). For "If It's All The Same To You Babe", Bateman had the instrumental tracks recorded in Detroit, but Ingram's vocals were recorded in New York. I would guess that ALL of those NY artists listed above had their vocals recorded by Bateman in NY. Not sure about Detroiter Teddy Greene. Bateman returned to Detroit to record Mary Wells' 20th Century Fox cuts. Most of the instrumentals on the above-listed records sung by NY/East Coast artists sound like NY recordings (rather than Detroit). But, Bateman still was using some Detroit tracks (as on the HIB release). So, it will be interesting to read which were recorded where. It will be interesting to find out which of the Detroit artists came to New York to record vocals. (I'd bet that Henry Lumpkin was already on The East Coast (he'd been with Cameo-Parkway after Motown). The new Monitors and Teddy Greene, and Barbara Lewis, however, would be interesting. Billy Woods was likely, NY.

The backing track to "Exus Trek"/"If It's All The Same To You Babe" was recorded using the Funk Brothers at Golden World in Detroit . Robert then took the tapes to Mercury studio in New York where he added the manic strings that make up the so called Luther Ingram Orchestra. In fact just 3 violinists were recorded and then overdubbed until Robert got the sound he wanted.

Some of his productions just shout "Northern Soul" - especially "Push A Little Harder" - The Enjoyables which was written by Robert's friend Kenni Lewis.

Edited April 16, 2012 by NeilRushton1

[Neil Rushton]

Jeff Perry and Greg Perry are Robert's nephews.

Which means "Sandy Wynns" also in the family.