Us Cameo - Parkway Demos

[dthedrug]

HI ALL......Not sure if this has been discussed before? Over the years I have had quite a few records on the great Philadelphia labels CAMEO PARKWAY, Having all relevant UK demos & issues, I'm fine about.

However when it comes to the US product it's not that easy, for example"at the" & "do the Discoteque" as discussed before there are at least 8 different copies of the record that I have had. with east & west coast pressing plants makes putting a price or value a mine field. But putting that issue to one side, I would like to no for defiant about CAMEO DJ-COPY stamped on a normal issue, I have always assumed that these are much more rarer than white demos, as again, I have assumed that they are, let me say a bit moody for me?

as way back in 73 I had a copy of BOBBY PARIS "NIGHT OWL" stamped DJ-COPY, the white Demos were all BOOTLEGS, If they were legit, more people wanted my copy every time,

Here is my copy of the ORLONS "ENVY" with DJ-COPY, I am like the BOBBY PARIS sure that this is the original 1st issue DEMO, can anyone confirm this and add some history about both labels Promos & Demos

that could help me in the future, please DAVE K

[Tiberius]

HI ALL......Not sure if this has been discussed before? Over the years I have had quite a few records on the great Philadelphia labels CAMEO PARKWAY, Having all relevant UK demos & issues, I'm fine about.

However when it comes to the US product it's not that easy, for example"at the" & "do the Discoteque" as discussed before there are at least 8 different copies of the record that I have had. with east & west coast pressing plants makes putting a price or value a mine field. But putting that issue to one side, I would like to no for defiant about CAMEO DJ-COPY stamped on a normal issue, I have always assumed that these are much more rarer than white demos, as again, I have assumed that they are, let me say a bit moody for me?

as way back in 73 I had a copy of BOBBY PARIS "NIGHT OWL" stamped DJ-COPY, the white Demos were all BOOTLEGS, If they were legit, more people wanted my copy every time,

Here is my copy of the ORLONS "ENVY" with DJ-COPY, I am like the BOBBY PARIS sure that this is the original 1st issue DEMO, can anyone confirm this and add some history about both labels Promos & Demos

that could help me in the future, please DAVE K

Surely these ink stamps could've been added at any time after the record company issued their normal Promotional 45's. To my mind, they're essentially stock copies. How can we be sure when/where the ink stamp was added? Bobby Paris demo is the typical red/black label but has 2 lines of text - "D.J.COPY""NOT FOR SALE" on the R/H side of both the labels. Several other Cameo promos I have are the same and there are also others, again with red/black labels, with "PROMOTIONAL" "NOT FOR" "SALE". Of course then there are other titles on the label which were on the white/black promo design. Clearly on smaller regional labels it was easier/cheaper to stamp the stock copies than to have different ones printed up for promotional purposes. Having said that I'm happy to be corrected regarding ink stamping of "DJ COPY" etc on these Cameo, or other, 45's.

Edited April 5, 2012 by tiberius

[dthedrug]

Hi Cheers for that, and you are right anyone could do it! but surely that would be devaluing or defacing a rare issue copy? also the stamp is also on non NORTHER RECORDS, so it's a company thing, as a collector of UK soul & reggae I have many B&C A stamped demos, and they could be put on with a spud? unless you no whats what they could be faked all day long, but would you do that and sell it, I am positive the answer is no. as soon as you were sussed your reputation on the scene would be zilch! good point though, but that's not the answer I'm sure of that? DAVE K

[Guest allnightandy]

I don't think ALL white Bobby paris Night Owl White copies are Bootlegs !

All the crap poor sound quality Select-a-Disc ones with the really tacky photostat labels were

But and this is my point Most if not all cameo parkway records that were Canadian presses were on plain black and white labels i have a few the one thing missing off the labels is any mention of Promo/demo etc

a few years ago i bought a Bobby Paris from the states which was vinyl , perfect label quality and stunning sound quality it is white labeled but with NO promo/demo on it which i feel is a Canadian copy it is a thousand times better than the select-a-disc one in everyway

Andy

Edited April 5, 2012 by allnightandy

[dthedrug]

Nice one Andy, I am sure you are right, and there must be a original US white & black Demo out there, my comments as you state are about the Selecta boots of Th 70s, maybe that was not clear? also I am making an assumption that the stamped DJ-COPY is from the East Coast and any black & white Demos are from the West Coast, as there are so few of them? it would help if someone has a proper black & white copy of ENVY to show, plus other examples of CAMEO demos with the DJ-COPY Stamped on, DAVE

[45cellar]

The EAST COAST Demos appear to depend on which release number it was.

Some are multicoloured, some white and some are yellow

This is my West Coast DEMO copy of C-384

WEST COAST - (STYRENE)

Not 100% sure but I think I have seen a YELLOW East Coast DEMO for this.

EAST COAST - (VINYL)

Here is a White & Black DEMO East Coast DEMO

PopSike.com

[45cellar]

As you say Dave, This one has a few Variations.

Not sure if there's a West Coast Parkway White DEMO

EAST COAST - (VINYL)

WEST COAST - (STYRENE)

[45cellar]

EAST COAST - (VINYL)

WEST COAST - (STYRENE)

EAST COAST - (VINYL)

WEST COAST - (STYRENE)

Guessing there's a West Coast DEMO too for C-382

CANADA : (VINYL)

[45cellar]

EAST COAST - (VINYL)

WEST COAST - (STYRENE)

PopSike.com

[45cellar]

EAST COAST - (VINYL)

[45cellar]

EAST COAST - (VINYL)

[45cellar]

EAST COAST - (VINYL)

WEST COAST - (STYRENE)

EAST COAST - (VINYL)

WEST COAST - (STYRENE)

CANADA : (VINYL)

[45cellar]

Hi Cheers for that, and you are right anyone could do it! but surely that would be devaluing or defacing a rare issue copy? also the stamp is also on non NORTHER RECORDS, so it's a company thing, as a collector of UK soul & reggae I have many B&C A stamped demos, and they could be put on with a spud? unless you no whats what they could be faked all day long, but would you do that and sell it, I am positive the answer is no. as soon as you were sussed your reputation on the scene would be zilch! good point though, but that's not the answer I'm sure of that? DAVE K

Getting back to your original question regarding to STAMPED Stock Copies.

I suspect that you could be right DAVE.

I have seen a Printed DEMO for this one, think it was EAST COAST but not 100% sure.

However, I have two different STAMPED Copies from totally different source to each other.

One has the STAMP on the A Side & the other has the STAMP on the B Side

Surely these were stamped at source, rather than at a later date.

A promotional item not intended for resale at the time. Therefore STAMPED.

[Tiberius]

Hi Cheers for that, and you are right anyone could do it! but surely that would be devaluing or defacing a rare issue copy? also the stamp is also on non NORTHER RECORDS, so it's a company thing, as a collector of UK soul & reggae I have many B&C A stamped demos, and they could be put on with a spud? unless you no whats what they could be faked all day long, but would you do that and sell it, I am positive the answer is no. as soon as you were sussed your reputation on the scene would be zilch! good point though, but that's not the answer I'm sure of that? DAVE K

No, I wasn't suggesting they've been "stamped" in more recent times or are in any way suss, and fully agree that it was done around the original time of release to indicate the record was not for sale/given away, but you're suggesting we call these "original 1st issue demos" in your original post.

It would be normal for the record company to send out their "official" Promo/D.J.Copy 45's (be it white label or whatever,) to the radio stations etc, to gauge response and hopefully promote prior to issuing the stock 45, so surely the possiblity remains they were stamped after the inital release of the companies "official" promos ie. at the time of distribution/issue of the stock items. This ink stamping would be done "at source", maybe on an ad hoc basis, but after the initial run of promos had been distributed, so not that many would need to be stamped (hence scarcity). They might not even be given as an actual promotional items in every case, just a freebie......pure speculation on my part.

[dthedrug]

HI ALL And I must thank everyone for their time, on this subject, and I am sure it will be off interest to all Soul Source members,

It would seem that in most cases there is 2 copies of most records East & West coast, also that there are some of the top rare stuff seems to have only got a West coast pressing? why that is so is another anomaly from the labels as Philadelphia is on the east cost? and the stamped DJ-COPY is on East coast pressings and only put onto CAMEO RECORDS? also the same style of stamp is also common in size, i still feel there's a definitive answer to why there are only a few of the stamped copies.

Maybe the answer is straight forward, and they are in fact what the stamp states DJ copies that were used by a certain local Radio station DJs I am sure that CAMEO PARKWAY RECORDS was not part of the PAYOLA scam that made a mockery out of the US charts?

Also having looked at the scans, I am not sure now how to value these records, as common sense tells me that the stamped copy would be less desirable than a printed Demo, and some may say that it devalues the stock copy? However I have never belonged to that school of thought as I like a record that has history, for example UK DEMOS missing the centre, tells me that at one time a DJ played it and with that in mind that's the way it is meant to be. if some people collect rare records and demand it to be mint, in the long term they should be exploited to the max, I remember someone who had a mint HOAGY LANDS NEXT IN LINE STATESIDE DEMO, HE PUT IN A CARD SLEEVE THEN A POLY BAG, the record was never played 35 years on, if he has still got it, what was the point, I collect records not stamps?

Thanks & to conclude here is a scan of a record that I found in my loft about 1 year ago, it must have been there for at least 20 years DAVE K

I have just noticed that this DEMO has © 1963 CAMEO RECORDS? instead of © 1960 ?

Edited April 5, 2012 by dthedrug

[Guest allnightandy]

EAST COAST - (VINYL)

I have those two and the Canadian black/white copy without promo on it !

[Guest allnightandy]

As you say Dave, This one has a few Variations.

Not sure if there's a West Coast Parkway White DEMO

EAST COAST - (VINYL)

WEST COAST - (STYRENE)

This is a single sider of the above

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-Chubby-Checker-ONE-SIDED-wlp-promo-dj-Discotheque-Cameo-Parkway-949-VG-VG-/150772988908?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item231ac53bec

Edited April 6, 2012 by allnightandy