Roburt Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 No, thats not short for blackboard ... BUT ... Billboard. As the Jobettes thread has turned all 'techie' thought I'd jump over here ............
Roburt Posted March 23, 2012 Author Posted March 23, 2012 Chris Calloway also gets a mention here (as does Beau Ray Fleming, Calculated Productions, Dean Courtney & the Partnership, Venture & Way Out Records).
Roburt Posted March 23, 2012 Author Posted March 23, 2012 After Calculated Productions went 'belly up' .... Beau Ray Fleming signed on with Capitol .... here he was assigned Smokin' Joe Frazier to work with.
Roburt Posted March 23, 2012 Author Posted March 23, 2012 Last post from me for a few days . ...... but more later on my return .....
Roburt Posted March 26, 2012 Author Posted March 26, 2012 By that way, I come across lots of fascinating bits in Billboard by pure accident. You can enter a name (artist / label / etc) to search for ... but lots of times (if you are at a loose end for a few hours) its just as good to pull up a random 60's / 70's edition and read through it as though it is a new 'real' mag you have just purchased.
Roburt Posted March 26, 2012 Author Posted March 26, 2012 One of the VERY BEST editions of Billboard to check out (for interesting reading & good photos) ........ ... 22nd August 1970 edition of mag that included a BIG SUPPLEMENT ..... The World Of Soul ....... Articles on Chess + Jerry Butler's Writers Workshop & much more ........ ENJOY .......... https://books.google.com/books?id=lSkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA26&dq=%22World+of+Soul%22&lr=&as_pt=MAGAZINES&cd=5#v=onepage&q=%22World%20of%20Soul%22&f=false
Roburt Posted March 26, 2012 Author Posted March 26, 2012 Go to Page 20 of the World Of Soul supplement to see a photo of Billy Butler & Infinity, Larry Wade, Brown Paper Bag (a group that didn't get to enjoy a release to my knowledge), Terry Callier, Chuck Jones & more.
Roburt Posted March 26, 2012 Author Posted March 26, 2012 1970 -- soul radio stations in Michigan ...........
Roburt Posted March 26, 2012 Author Posted March 26, 2012 The 1974 Soul Train issue ............ https://books.google....20train&f=false
Roburt Posted March 26, 2012 Author Posted March 26, 2012 A picture of the Ovations ............... lifted from Sound Of Memphis ad (see also the good article) ............ https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8ycEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA30-IA12&lpg=PA30-IA12&dq=xl+memphis+#v=onepage&q=spotlight%20on%20Memphis&f=false
Roburt Posted March 26, 2012 Author Posted March 26, 2012 Ads lifted from various issues of the mag ........
Roburt Posted March 27, 2012 Author Posted March 27, 2012 Did this guy ever amount to anything (record biz wise) ????
Roburt Posted March 27, 2012 Author Posted March 27, 2012 John Gary Williams & Marvin Smith get mentions in this 1975 mag extract ..........
Roburt Posted March 27, 2012 Author Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) Late 60's Minit group ............ Edited March 27, 2012 by Roburt
Roburt Posted March 27, 2012 Author Posted March 27, 2012 A new 45 release from Garnett Mimms gets tipped for big things .........
Roburt Posted March 28, 2012 Author Posted March 28, 2012 Ring DMA in Detroit to book Little Carl Carlton ........
Roburt Posted March 28, 2012 Author Posted March 28, 2012 I wonder how much 5c above cost price on a 45 was back then ??
Roburt Posted March 28, 2012 Author Posted March 28, 2012 (edited) A Top 20 from 1972 ......... Would you rather have Coffee or Coffey ? Edited March 28, 2012 by Roburt
Roburt Posted March 28, 2012 Author Posted March 28, 2012 ... If you need an R&B artist .... .. be SHAW to ring these guys .....
Roburt Posted March 29, 2012 Author Posted March 29, 2012 A new label back in the summer of 1961. The Elgins were of course to become the Pirates on Mel-O-Dy but perhaps we know them best as ........ the Temptations
Roburt Posted March 29, 2012 Author Posted March 29, 2012 (edited) ........ WANTED ..... ...USED RECORDS .. ... Sam Goody went on to become a big retail record discount chain on East Coast. Edited March 29, 2012 by Roburt
Roburt Posted March 29, 2012 Author Posted March 29, 2012 (edited) Anthony Gourdine resigns with UA ...... Edited March 29, 2012 by Roburt
Roburt Posted March 29, 2012 Author Posted March 29, 2012 Two new 45 releases out of Houston ............
Roburt Posted March 29, 2012 Author Posted March 29, 2012 A personal message from Dee Dee's sister .......
Roburt Posted March 30, 2012 Author Posted March 30, 2012 I bet these two proved popular .............
Roburt Posted March 30, 2012 Author Posted March 30, 2012 ... & two of these (at least) are pretty damn fine too .....
Roburt Posted March 31, 2012 Author Posted March 31, 2012 More bits cobbled together from a copy of the mag ........
Roburt Posted March 31, 2012 Author Posted March 31, 2012 I'd like as many test pressings of soul 45's from this place as I can get my hands on
Roburt Posted April 1, 2012 Author Posted April 1, 2012 Here's a report on a live show I'd have liked to have been at .... ..... 1965 .... Ruby Johnson, the Vontastics & the Ideals ..... Both group's 45's had been released a few weeks ...
Roburt Posted April 2, 2012 Author Posted April 2, 2012 (edited) All the way from the Windy City ....... Edited April 2, 2012 by Roburt
Roburt Posted April 4, 2012 Author Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) 1966 & good soul stuff is still pouring out .......... The 45 Chart has fine stuff all over ... but I like those singles @ Nos. 7, 8, 9, 13, 14, 18, 20, 34, 35, 36, 42, 45, 47, 48 & 50 !!! Edited April 4, 2012 by Roburt
Rick Cooper Posted April 4, 2012 Posted April 4, 2012 ........ WANTED ..... ...USED RECORDS .. ... Sam Goody went on to become a big retail record discount chain on East Coast. Roburt Do you, or anyone else, know what Jalen Amusements would have done with the used records that they are advertising for. Did they re-sell them to the public or were they wanted for the vinyl or shellac to re-use. I thought ex jukebox records were just about unplayable. Also I never came across loads of used 45s in warehouses so where did they go? House of Sounds in Philadelphia was also advertising for used records in the late 60s. Rick
Roburt Posted April 4, 2012 Author Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) Sorry, I can't tell you what happened back in the 60's to the 'used' records that commercial companies were buying in when people / organisations responded to their adverts. In the 70's just about all such records would have been recycled to make 'new' records. But what they did with such records back in the 60's I have no idea. I guess someone involved in the record biz back then could answer your question (do we have such people on here ?) or maybe the likes of RobbK can answer this. You are right to say that (for instance) over-played ex jukebox 45's didn't end up in record warehouses back then, there was more than enough 'unsold stock' copies sloshing around at a few cents per copy for them to bother with knackered copies. Edited April 4, 2012 by Roburt
Roburt Posted April 5, 2012 Author Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) ............ Back to info lifted from Billboard ...... ... this time about Marc Gordon, Willie Hutch & friends ..... Good to know that Marc discovered Grenda Holloway !!! Edited April 5, 2012 by Roburt
Roburt Posted April 5, 2012 Author Posted April 5, 2012 RobbK could almost certainly add loads of fascinating facts about Marc Gordon & his LA based activities in the 1960's ... ... but he would have to check out this thread first to see we've touched on the topic of Marc, Willie Hutch, Mary Love, Rose Brooks, the Versatiles AND Grenda Holloway. BTW, anyone fill me in on which tracks J B Bingham & Ron Benton cut for Marc / Soul City / Modern ???
Roburt Posted April 6, 2012 Author Posted April 6, 2012 Bet you can't guess which full page 45 ad this is the artwork from .......
Roburt Posted April 6, 2012 Author Posted April 6, 2012 It was the Canterbury 45 by the Younghearts ...........
Robbk Posted April 6, 2012 Posted April 6, 2012 RobbK could almost certainly add loads of fascinating facts about Marc Gordon & his LA based activities in the 1960's ... ... but he would have to check out this thread first to see we've touched on the topic of Marc, Willie Hutch, Mary Love, Rose Brooks, the Versatiles AND Grenda Holloway. BTW, anyone fill me in on which tracks J B Bingham & Ron Benton cut for Marc / Soul City / Modern ??? I don't have time to write a treatise on L.A.'s Jobete Music Office 1963-66 and Hal Davis & Crew's "Off-Motown" production, but, here's an excerpt from a thread at Soulful Detroit Forum: "Hal Davis didn't have enough of his own money to pay for recording sessions AND pressing up and distribution, so he got financiers to pay for those functions, whenever he couldn't "place" his productions (lease masters) to existing record companies, such as Bob Keane's Del-Fi and Donna Records, The Bihari Brothers' Modern/Kent Records, Joker Records, Magnum Records, and even Chicago's VJ, Tollie and Constellation Records, and tiny Doc records in Pennsylvania. Davis had records out on GSP (a Gary Paxton label), Alden Records, Wizard Records, Taste Records, Dee Gee Records, Tamara Records, and perhaps Brenda's cuts on Catch Records (not sure he was involved), because he got a financier. Those labels, therefore, were "owned" by the financier, and run by Davis (sometimes together with Marc Gordon, and Frank Wilson or Chester and Jimmy Pipkin). Hal Davis and his crew (listed above) and also including Willie Hutch (Hutchison), H.B. Barnum, Vince Love, William Powell, Ed Cobb, Charles Wright, John Marascalco, Al Capps, Herman Griffith, and Kent and Toni Harris, wrote songs for Jobete Music from 1963-1966 (long before Motown moved to L.A. But Motown also did some recording in L.A. during that period. Davis, Gordon and Wilson used some of their own signed singers and groups, to demo songs for Motown's Detroit artists, and also got some of their artists placed on Motown's labels. Brenda and Patrice Holloway, (Tamla and VIP), The Vows (VIP), Oma Heard (VIP), Joanne & Triangles, (VIP), Danny Day (Hal Davis-VIP), The Lewis Sisters (VIP), Little Lisa (VIP), The Messengers (Soul), all got Motown releases. The Versatiles recorded several cuts, but never got a release. Motown had hired an already existing production group. Hal Davis and Marc Gordon and The Pipkin Brothers had been working together and even had their own music publishing company (Finesse Music). Frank Wilson and the others joined them when Davis was signed to Jobete Music. They had an affiliation with single artists and groups they recorded and used them as demo singers and background singers. Those other artists that are not listed above (because they didn't get a Motown release during the operation of the L.A. Jobete Music Office) include: Gloria Jones, Mary Love, Sandy Wynns (Edna Wright), Barbara Wilson (Frank's wife), Pat Hunt (Brenda and Patrice's cousin), Jean(ne) King, Connie Clark, Pamela Baitey, Marie Gregory, Sonny Holliday (Hal Davis), Sonny Daye and Eddie Wilson (Frank Wilson), Willie Hutch, Paris, Ollie Jackson, Fury Vanta, Ricardo King, Charles Wright, The Autographs, The Marvellos, The Magnificents, The Soul-Teasers, The Watesians (with Brenda, and Patrice), The Dimples, and The Cinderellas. Songs that were rejected by Jobete Music, were published by Finesse Music. Songs that were not recorded and released by Motown within 6 months of their sale, had first rights to recording and release revert to their original writer/producer. In such cases, Davis, Gordon, Wilson, or whoever it was, would then have one of his own artists record a final version and lease the masters to an existing record company, as in the case of many Gordon/Wilson songs recorded by Mary Love for Modern Records, or several Davis/Pipkin songs being recorded by The Autographs for Joker Records, or The Vows recording a Finesse song for Tamara Records. Gordon and Wilson even produced a recording of one of their songs for The Ikettes on Modern records "I'm So Thankful", which WAS recorded by Motown artists, but never released. If they couldn't lease the masters to an existing company, they'd find a financier, and put it out on a new label, as H.B. Barnum/Gordon and Wilson did with "My Heart is Calling You" by The Magnificents out on Dee Gee Records, as (I believe) the Four Tops' Motown cut was released after the rights reverted. Window Shopping On Girls' Avenue by The Vala-Quons went to Ray Charles' Tangerine Records." This, of course doesn't go into what happened after Marc Gordon left for Soul City. I know that Motown writer, Jimmy Webb also wrote for them. But, likely that he didn't have an exclusive writing contract with Motown.
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