Shaunfitz Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 PROPER ONE WANTED IN VG++ AT LEAST CHEERS SHAUN Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Nige Brown Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 If you mean Proper 45 there isnt a US / IK release Stax LP Only It was issued in France as a 45 Atlantic and on EP Stax Heavily booted on a pale Stax look a like And may now have been re booted which seems to be" the "in thing " ala Tempests Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Shaunfitz Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 OK NIGE,WANT THE FRENCH PIC SLEEVED ONE TA SHAUN Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dekka Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) If you mean Proper 45 there isnt a US / IK release Stax LP Only It was issued in France as a 45 Atlantic and on EP Stax Heavily booted on a pale Stax look a like And may now have been re booted which seems to be" the "in thing " ala Tempests In 1977, Fantasy Records acquired the post-1968 Stax catalog, as well as selected pre-1968 recordings. Beginning in 1978, Stax (now owned by Fantasy) began signing new acts and issuing new material, as well as re-issuing previously recorded Stax material. However, by the early 1980s no new material was being issued on the label, and for the next two decades, Stax was strictly a re-issue label. After Concord Records acquired Fantasy in 2004, the Stax label was reactivated, and is today used to issue both the 1968-1975 catalog material and new recordings by current R&B/soul performers. Atlantic Records continues to hold the rights to the vast majority of the 1959-1968 Stax material. STAX-589008 Johnnie Taylor / Otis Redding Blues In The Night / Loving By The Pound (7", Ltd) 2006 According to this information which can easily be googled, this version of 'Blues in the Night' is an official release and I challenge anyone to question it. Edited March 13, 2012 by dekka Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
TOAD Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 its a boot ! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dekka Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) Dont agree! On what basis is it a boot, for instance, How many labels did Motown own? Edited March 13, 2012 by dekka Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dekka Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 FIAT own Ferrari, Alfa Romeo, Maserati etc, are these cars all 'boots' To say something is a boot because the original company doesn't own the copywright anymore is pathetic Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Nige Brown Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 In 1977, Fantasy Records acquired the post-1968 Stax catalog, as well as selected pre-1968 recordings. Beginning in 1978, Stax (now owned by Fantasy) began signing new acts and issuing new material, as well as re-issuing previously recorded Stax material. However, by the early 1980s no new material was being issued on the label, and for the next two decades, Stax was strictly a re-issue label. After Concord Records acquired Fantasy in 2004, the Stax label was reactivated, and is today used to issue both the 1968-1975 catalog material and new recordings by current R&B/soul performers. Atlantic Records continues to hold the rights to the vast majority of the 1959-1968 Stax material. STAX-589008 Johnnie Taylor / Otis Redding Blues In The Night / Loving By The Pound (7", Ltd) 2006 According to this information which can easily be googled, this version of 'Blues in the Night' is an official release and I challenge anyone to question it. Thats great info ,,,,, i really was told it was a boot,,, and is sold at do's by all the dealers who are known to sell boots, pressings look alikes and now boots of boots even !! There ya go then Sean ,,,, ya can now go and buy a Official Re Issue with the bonus of Lovin By The Pound on the b side!! Its " Proper" ,,, but like i say ,,, beware of the "new breed" boot leggers,,,, who may have booted the 2006 re issue!! Id stick to the French Atlantic 45 thats the one i use looks nice on the Technics too! Hope ya find one bro ,,, seeyas soon Nige Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dekka Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Like you say Nige it is 'Proper' and it's an official Stax issue, how pedantic people want to be is up to them, i just wanted to make it clear that it is not a 'boot' A definition of a 'boot' is 'an illegal pressing' i.e the persons or company do not own the copywright, unless someone can tell me different. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Millo Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 In 1977, Fantasy Records acquired the post-1968 Stax catalog, as well as selected pre-1968 recordings. Beginning in 1978, Stax (now owned by Fantasy) began signing new acts and issuing new material, as well as re-issuing previously recorded Stax material. However, by the early 1980s no new material was being issued on the label, and for the next two decades, Stax was strictly a re-issue label. After Concord Records acquired Fantasy in 2004, the Stax label was reactivated, and is today used to issue both the 1968-1975 catalog material and new recordings by current R&B/soul performers. Atlantic Records continues to hold the rights to the vast majority of the 1959-1968 Stax material. STAX-589008 Johnnie Taylor / Otis Redding Blues In The Night / Loving By The Pound (7", Ltd) 2006 According to this information which can easily be googled, this version of 'Blues in the Night' is an official release and I challenge anyone to question it. Thanks for the info I will give my copy a spin. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dekka Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) Thanks for the info I will give my copy a spin. No worries mate, I would also suggest that it is not a re-issue i.e. on the Atlantic label, but an official original american Stax issue Edited March 13, 2012 by dekka Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bigsoulman Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 How much does a decent copy of the album go for these days just as a matter of interest Lenny Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Nige Brown Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 How much does a decent copy of the album go for these days just as a matter of interest Lenny £50-80,, UK , US Stax Wanted One Soul Singer,,,, its usual hard to find,,, but cuz ive said that theyl be loads i guess you may drop luck and find a cheaper on on Evil Bay ! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest dundeedavie Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 i used to play the french EP then i went through a phase of playing off the issue the US public would have had available which is the album Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dekka Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I'm happy to play the original american 45 STAX-589008. I would also love a 1960's Alfa Romeo but i'm happy to drive an up to date Alfa car owned by FIAT. After all, even though Fiat have the copyright it's still released under the Alfa label, happy days Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest dundeedavie Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I'm happy to play the original american 45 STAX-589008. I would also love a 1960's Alfa Romeo but i'm happy to drive an up to date Alfa car owned by FIAT. After all, even though Fiat have the copyright it's still released under the Alfa label, happy days i have to be totally honest and this is only a personal opinion but if you were playing at my club and you played the Stax one you'd never dj for me again ... i'd be happy with the french ep, the atlantic french one or the album Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
TOAD Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 if it aint an illeagal BOOT then its defo a reissue as the otis side was unrealesed and only available via lp and cd and Kent issued it years later as a LEGAL 45! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
ricticman Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 is it just me , or does anyone else not understand the points being [ gently ] bandied about here? if you stick with an ovo policy, then it's not just boots/ counterfeits / lookalikes / whatever you call them....but also re-releases too, [ whether official or not ], ......that can't by definition be ovo ? it's not about whether they're legal or not ? pete lyster Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
TOAD Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 re read the topic especially the stax org ! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest dundeedavie Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 it's not about whether they're legal or not ? pete lyster not for me , the track in question, was released on an artist original album the aforementioned "wanted, one soul singer" and that is good enough for me... it's the original format etc likewise the Otis Redding which is on an album called "it's not just sentimental" (i think, i have it just can't be arsed looking) along with an alternate take called "lbs and 100's" and that for me is the original vinyl version and the one i'll play Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dekka Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 i have to be totally honest and this is only a personal opinion but if you were playing at my club and you played the Stax one you'd never dj for me again ... i'd be happy with the french ep, the atlantic french one or the album I guess it's all down to opinions then and how pedantic people want to be. Fantasy records who acquired stax used the stax material solely on a re-issue basis, Concorde Records who acquired Fantasy and therefore Stax, re-activated the Stax label. Concorde then released the 2 tracks in question on a 45 (Albeit on a double A side 45). These 2 tracks had never previously been released on a 45 in america, therefore it must naturally follow that the 2 records in question are not 'boots' or 're-issue's' but authentic american OVO 45's. If Stax themselves had done this in the 1960's no one would be questioning their authenticity, so why are people questioning it now. Or is it because it's the people that own the french version and the LP that are questioning it and are blind to the facts because they don't want to see their versions decrease in value. It smacks of self preservation rather than a balanced view after all the facts have been presented. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Benji Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 These 2 tracks had never previously been released on a 45 in america, therefore it must naturally follow that the 2 records in question are not 'boots' or 're-issue's' but authentic american OVO 45's. That's where you're wrong. They're legal reissues, not authentic OVO 45's. Authentic OVO means released "back in the days", 1960's in this case. If I'd follow your logic, I could play tracks off CD's if they weren't released on CD before. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dekka Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 That's where you're wrong. They're legal reissues, not authentic OVO 45's. Authentic OVO means released "back in the days", 1960's in this case. If I'd follow your logic, I could play tracks off CD's if they weren't released on CD before. Yes, but do you have the copyright, this is the whole point of the argument. And I don't agree with your definition, please tell where you got that information, is it written down in a soul bible somewhere, will it be the old testament or the new? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest john s Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 That's where you're wrong. They're legal reissues, not authentic OVO 45's. Authentic OVO means released "back in the days", 1960's in this case. Absolutely. Doesn't seem hard! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dekka Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) Absolutely. Doesn't seem hard! Stax Wanted One Soul Singer released 1967 Atlantic Watermelon man/Blues in the night Released 1969 It just managed to stay in the 60's, therefore it's an official 'ovo', 2 years or 39 years, what is the difference (apart from the obvious) Atlantic pressed and distributed records for Stax, which suited both stax and atlantic financially. Stax owned the copyright and allowed Atlantic legal pressing. As Concorde records (the legal owners) re-activated Stax records and released the afore mentioned 'lepper' record on the Stax label, the question has to be asked, is the Atlantic record a boot? Edited March 15, 2012 by dekka Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paultp Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Stax Wanted One Soul Singer released 1967 Atlantic Watermelon man/Blues in the night Released 1969 It just managed to stay in the 60's, therefore it's an official 'ovo', 2 years or 39 years, what is the difference (apart from the obvious) Atlantic pressed and distributed records for Stax, which suited both stax and atlantic financially. Stax owned the copyright and allowed Atlantic legal pressing. As Concorde records (the legal owners) re-activated Stax records and released the afore mentioned 'lepper' record on the Stax label, the question has to be asked, is the Atlantic record a boot? You seem to be the only person on this thread that is arguing that a tune on a record which was first issued in 1967 when pressed again in 2006, the 2006 issue is OVO. As you point out, it is a legal issue but its not quite what people accept as OVO. And as you also point out the Stax label is a re-activation. Personally, I agree with Davie, I like to have the records that were issued in the 60's or 70's as they are the ones that were cut without hindsight. That's what it comes down to in the end - personal preference. OVO is a personal view of things it isn't a right or wrong view, I don't know why people keep arguing about it. Arguing that a 2006 issue should be considered OVO isn't going to change anyone's mind, whatever their view. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dekka Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) You seem to be the only person on this thread that is arguing that a tune on a record which was first issued in 1967 when pressed again in 2006, the 2006 issue is OVO. As you point out, it is a legal issue but its not quite what people accept as OVO. And as you also point out the Stax label is a re-activation. Personally, I agree with Davie, I like to have the records that were issued in the 60's or 70's as they are the ones that were cut without hindsight. That's what it comes down to in the end - personal preference. OVO is a personal view of things it isn't a right or wrong view, I don't know why people keep arguing about it. Arguing that a 2006 issue should be considered OVO isn't going to change anyone's mind, whatever their view. Thankyou and I agree with everything you say, I know I was being beligerent but I just wanted to make the point and that this record cannot be discriminated against on an OVO policy (in my opinion) be it 2 years or 39 years hindsight, it makes no difference. Atlantic only released the pressing because of it's popularity through being played out from the LP, it's called shrewd business acumen as is with Concorde. Edited March 15, 2012 by dekka Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Bloody hell, its just a wants thread ffs so.....anyone got a Frenchy for sale? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dekka Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Bloody hell, its just a wants thread ffs so.....anyone got a Frenchy for sale? There's plenty of Stax, you can have mine if you want Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
soulcrew Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 PROPER ONE WANTED IN VG++ AT LEAST CHEERS SHAUN Just a point of interest shawn i believe the french copys play a bit quiet hope that helps yocky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Nige Brown Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Just a point of interest shawn i believe the french copys play a bit quiet hope that helps yocky The French 45 plays nice and loud Yocky (mine does anyway) ,,, but i cant speak for the French EP! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 The French 45 plays nice and loud Yocky (mine does anyway) ,,, but i cant speak for the French EP! I have quite a few French EPs and most if not all do play quiet. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bigsoulman Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Well I've got a minty album for sale.. So there! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dekka Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Well I've got a minty album for sale.. So there! I reckon the album is the only true pure OVO how much you want for it mate? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bigsoulman Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Well I've got a minty album for sale.. So there! SOLD! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Nige Brown Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I reckon the album is the only true pure OVO how much you want for it mate? As quoted by me in post 2!!! 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dekka Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 As quoted by me in post 2!!! Your right there Nige At least all this has made me realise that legitimately and importantly Morally the only true OVO is the LP, so I bought the LP off Lenny (Big soulman) 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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