On Smoking @ Venues

[jonbuck]

....When Mike was in Dublin they have a 100% No Smoking Ban, which wasn't that much hassle for him, was sort of like an outside Record Room if you know what he means Are there any UK venues that have this policy in effect ????

Jon Buck

Edited December 7, 2005 by jonbuck

[BlueWail]

One way of me able to choose a venue, if its a crowded weekend is that i can cross any venue with a no smoking policy off my list and attend a venue where i can smoke my way into an early grave

Soul and smokey rooms

Like bread and butter

or

Marvin and tammi

[Guest]

One way of me able to choose a venue, if its a crowded weekend is that i can cross any venue with a no smoking policy off my list and attend a venue where i can smoke my way into an early grave

Soul and smokey rooms

Like bread and butter

or

Marvin and tammi

Seconded, if it was a choice between a venue I could smoke at ot one I couldn't, well sorry I smoke

[stomper45]

Seconded, if it was a choice between a venue I could smoke at ot one I couldn't, well sorry I smoke

Somebody probably had the same resentment bout planes, boats, taxi's, underground, cinema's.....imagine flying longhaul on a smoking plane.

Would you have a problem with someone lighting up next to you and say your children or young relations in a confined space?

danny

[Jumpinjoan]

Smoking / non smoking ..... it doesn't make any difference to me.

I'd choose listening to good music while breathing shit air over listening to shit music breathing clean air any day!

[Simsy]

Somebody probably had the same resentment bout planes, boats, taxi's, underground, cinema's.....imagine flying longhaul on a smoking plane.

Would you have a problem with someone lighting up next to you and say your children or young relations in a confined space?

danny

Bill Hicks; "Non smokers die every day". "Sleep tight"!

[Winnie :-)]

Smoking / non smoking ..... it doesn't make any difference to me.

I'd choose listening to good music while breathing shit air over listening to shit music breathing clean air any day!

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I think that non smokers go over the top personally, particularly those who have smoked but have since given up. I can never understand completely why people ignore the dangers of other drugs, and single out smoking as the major evil.

Personally if a venue was good enough, I'd go whatever the policy re: smoking. Would drinkers do the same thing??

Winnie:-)

[Guest lolmil]

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I think that non smokers go over the top personally, particularly those who have smoked but have since given up. I can never understand completely why people ignore the dangers of other drugs, and single out smoking as the major evil.

Personally if a venue was good enough, I'd go whatever the policy re: smoking. Would drinkers do the same thing??

Winnie:-)

Good topic this, could go on for a while!

Anyway, drinking only affects the person who drinks, smoking affects everyone and everything, from passive smoking, skin stinking from all the smoke, clothes stinking of smoke etc. etc. I have no problem with someone who wants to smoke as long as I don't have to suffer any of the "side effects"

Bring on the total ban in public places!!!!!!!!!!

[Dave Rimmer]

Are there any UK venues that have this policy in effect ????

JB for Mike

When Mick H ran the Union Club in Notts they introduced a no smoking policy. It meant that there ended up more people out on the balcony during the summer than there were in the room some nights, and when it got cold everyone congregated on the stairs. Eventually numbers started dropping because smokers stopped going (I was one). So Mick moved venued to The Brit, and I understand numbers went back up again. I must admit, having got out of the habit of going to Nottingham the first Friday, I've never got back into it and tend to go other places instead of the Brit. Thus the no smoking policy closed the Union as a venue, and lost The Brit punters.

[Quinvy]

When Mick H ran the Union Club in Notts they introduced a no smoking policy. It meant that there ended up more people out on the balcony during the summer than there were in the room some nights, and when it got cold everyone congregated on the stairs. Eventually numbers started dropping because smokers stopped going (I was one). So Mick moved venued to The Brit, and I understand numbers went back up again. I must admit, having got out of the habit of going to Nottingham the first Friday, I've never got back into it and tend to go other places instead of the Brit. Thus the no smoking policy closed the Union as a venue, and lost The Brit punters.

But if it was a total ban of smoking in public places,[which it should be] you wouldn't have a choice. Well you would, go out, or stay at home and smoke.

[Reg]

But if it was a total ban of smoking in public places,[which it should be] you wouldn't have a choice. Well you would, go out, or stay at home and smoke.

and if (the big IF) they do ban smoking in all public places let's face it, the smokers have had a good run out....well the last few hundred years

[Chalky]

and if (the big IF) they do ban smoking in all public places let's face it, the smokers have had a good run out....well the last few hundred years

I don't think there will be any "if" about it. If it doesn't happen in the next set of legislation it will happen eventually. All the UK countries bar England will have a no smoking ban and it has proved immensly popular in Ireland according to the experts.

[Mandy]

Good topic this, could go on for a while!

Anyway, drinking only affects the person who drinks, smoking affects everyone and everything, from passive smoking, skin stinking from all the smoke, clothes stinking of smoke etc. etc. I have no problem with someone who wants to smoke as long as I don't have to suffer any of the "side effects"

Bring on the total ban in public places!!!!!!!!!!

Totally agree with all the above. Unfortunately I do not have a sense of smell (at all!!!) so when I get home from a night out be it at a soul night/pub whatever I threw my clothes in the washing machine and take a shower as I can't actually smell myself but think I must stink Also my dry cleaning bill is ridiculous to get my jackets/coats cleaned after a night out :angry:

[Guest miff]

But if it was a total ban of smoking in public places,[which it should be] you wouldn't have a choice. Well you would, go out, or stay at home and smoke.

Why ?? why do you need a total ban why do we smokers have to go outside, and you non smokers want to ban me doing that. I can understand why you dont want to breath in my smoke but surely its down to the promoters or venue owners to determine the smoking policy and if they are for smoking then, let the non smokers decide if they want to attend or not

I am sick to death of smokers being blamed for all the evil in the world. Yes smoke causes cancer. but so dose a lot of things more cancerious pollutants come out of a car exhaust the come from fags yet no one wants to ban cars from public places

If my smoking bothers you ask me nicely and I will put my fag out and appologies. I dont smoke in confind spaces out of courtisy for others That is just good maners. If i am out and it I blow smoke in your face its not because I am inconsiderate its because Ive had a good drink and not on my best behavour

I know ime fighting a losing battle but that dos'nt mean ime wrong to fight it

[John Elias]

When I used to smoke I hated people telling me NOT TO.................so now when people smoke I say,live and let live(die?)..................What I thought was a good idea was in the main room at Prestatyn weekender the right hand side was signed NO SMOKING but we couldn't get a space there cos it was full of smokers,I think the lesson hear is let's all enjoy the best music in the world together but appreciate others likes and dislikes,personally I know loads that ask"do you mind if I smoke" and others who do give a shite,guess who get my vote.

[Winnie :-)]

Good topic this, could go on for a while!

Anyway, drinking only affects the person who drinks, smoking affects everyone and everything, from passive smoking, skin stinking from all the smoke, clothes stinking of smoke etc. etc. I have no problem with someone who wants to smoke as long as I don't have to suffer any of the "side effects"

Bring on the total ban in public places!!!!!!!!!!

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Only affects the person who drinks? Ever heard of drink drivers? Crime committed whilst under the influence of drinking, rape etc? Smoking maybe bad for everyone, but it doesn't change characters! Let's try and get some perspective and not pretend that smoking is the only potentially dangerous habit!

Winnie:-)

[hipshaker 05]

personally, i can't wait for a total ban either. smokers are a dying breed anyway

[Guest]

Good topic this, could go on for a while!

Anyway, drinking only affects the person who drinks,

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Oh no it doesn't, I have been accosted by drunken men when I have just been wanting to dance and enjoy myself and seen many a fight ( not on the soul scene) caused by some pissed up idiot

[Guest ShaneH]

please dont ban drink.....i only drink to make other people seem interesting

like i said on the other thread....i am an occasional smoker but would fully support a ban in public places. you also have to consider the staff in these venues.

Shane

[Gary]

Smoke em if you got em

[Mandy]

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Oh no it doesn't, I have been accosted by drunken men when I have just been wanting to dance and enjoy myself and seen many a fight ( not on the soul scene) caused by some pissed up idiot

Well said Karen

[Guest]

Good topic this, could go on for a while!

Anyway, drinking only affects the person who drinks, smoking affects everyone and everything, from passive smoking, skin stinking from all the smoke, clothes stinking of smoke etc. etc. I have no problem with someone who wants to smoke as long as I don't have to suffer any of the "side effects"

Bring on the total ban in public places!!!!!!!!!!

Utter crap, I have had encounters with drunken twats at clubs and trust me it's not nice, not to mention the one's off their faces! And drunks on the dance floor ruin an evening out for most (esp the funny one's who always manage to follow Winston around )

[Guest gibber]

Smoking / non smoking ..... it doesn't make any difference to me.

I'd choose listening to good music while breathing shit air over listening to shit music breathing clean air any day!

Agreed

Given up ten years now ,used to smoke twenty a day ( 40ty with an all-nighter ) .

IT dosen`t bother me other people smoking or venues full of smoked filled rooms . Some venues couldn`t see across the room, but the music was brilliant and the atmosphere was great.

A full ban might effect this .

andy

[Guest]

please dont ban drink.....i only drink to make other people seem interesting

like i said on the other thread....i am an occasional smoker but would fully support a ban in public places. you also have to consider the staff in these venues.

Shane

erm why? they took the jon on knowing it was a smoking venue!

[Larsc]

but the music was brilliant and the atmosphere was great.

A full ban might effect this .

probably won't. Smoking is banned over here and the only thing changed is the air indoors (and tables and chairs outdoors all year )

erm why? they took the jon on knowing it was a smoking venue!

Job in a smoking venue or no job at all. I know what I would choose.

[Mike]

See this is Not To Difficult to start a NEW THREAD ....When Mike was in Dublin they have a 100% No Smoking Ban, which wasn't that much hassle for him, was sort of like an outside Record Room if you know what he means Are there any UK venues that have this policy in effect ????

Jon Buck [for Mike]

if i wanted to start a new thread Jon, i would have

the thread had developed and smoking at venues was brought up, hence my post

top tip - dont do this again

leave it to the moderators on here

Edited December 7, 2005 by mike-

[jonbuck]

....When Mike was in Dublin they have a 100% No Smoking Ban, which wasn't that much hassle for him, was sort of like an outside Record Room if you know what he means Are there any UK venues that have this policy in effect ????Jon Buck [for Mike]

Actualy it would be a good Idea for No Smoking venues as it would help me give up as Sue is always moaning @ me, But I cannot see it happening in the near future, But what will be will be

Jon Buck

Edited December 7, 2005 by jonbuck

[Soulof]

We have this ban in Sweden since 1st July this year. I can understand it at restaurants and small bars thats OK but at clubs I don´t like the ban at all. Always a bunch of people going out for having a smoke all the time. Its like in that movie Midnight train in that Turkish prison when everyones just walking round and round. killed the atmosphere loads and instead of smoke you get all the great smell of farting instead . With good ventilation systems this wasn´t a big problem. Really hope you don´t get the ban to UK. I don´t normally smoke btw

[Paulb]

I cant bloody wait till smoking is banned in clubs and pubs. Why should I have to suffer because smokers believe its their right to smoke in public places. And comparing smoking to drinking is just silly.

I spent a weekend in dublin not too long ago and it was so nice to enter a pub and not come out stinking of fags. My friends that smoke didn't mind nipping outside for a fag so everyone was happy.

Lets face it, smoking is a dirty habbit and I personally dont think its fair that I should have to inhale that shite all night long when all it takes is a smoker to nip outside for 2 mins.

[Guest lolmil]

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Only affects the person who drinks? Ever heard of drink drivers? Crime committed whilst under the influence of drinking, rape etc? Smoking maybe bad for everyone, but it doesn't change characters! Let's try and get some perspective and not pretend that smoking is the only potentially dangerous habit!

Winnie:-)

Sorry, I thought this topic related to smoking in venues? Maybe I should have stated that drinking only affects the individual's health of those that choose to drink, smoking is shared by everyone and everything in the vicinity of the smoker whether they like it or not. As I also stated, I have no problem if someone wants to smoke as long as I don't have to.

With regard to the drink driving statement, I totally agree with anyone's views on this subject and those who choose to do this and cause fatalities or are even caught drink driving should be punished appropriately.

As for drunken behaviour in venues, if someone is "misbehaving" through any form of intoxication then they should be reported to the appropriate people in the venue to get the situation sorted.

Also, maybe this topic should be move to freebasing as it has nothing really to do with soul talk!!

[Reg]

Usual smoker argument to quote the harm drink does when we're not even talking about drinking. My father's a bloody alcoholic (so I know all about that thanks) but aren't we talking about smoking and how smoking affects the choice of non-smokers not smokers.

Went to the docs the other day with my 4 month old son who had a cough. First question was "Do either of you smoke?" Richard and I were mortified that he would think that we could poison our son's lungs by smoking. But people do it, and children have no choice. How many people do you see pushing buggies with a fag in their hand, smoke drifting down into their child's lungs? The other day I went to the cash machine and a woman was there smoking,blowing the smoke into her child's face, I went to use the machine after her and she'd spilt fag ash all over the keypad...lovely.

So this is the habit you want to protect? Fair enough-enjoy it while you still have the chance.

Edited December 7, 2005 by Reg

[Reg]

instead of smoke you get all the great smell of farting instead .

Now this made me giggle...can we ban farting as well then Olof?

[Winsford Soul]

Usual smoker argument to quote the harm drink does when we're not even talking about drinking. My father's a bloody alcoholic (so I know all about that thanks) but aren't we talking about smoking and how smoking affects the choice of non-smokers not smokers.

Went to the docs the other day with my 4 month old son who had a cough. First question was "Do either of you smoke?" Richard and I were mortified that he would think that we could poison our son's lungs by smoking. But people do it, and children have no choice. How many people do you see pushing buggies with a fag in their hand, smoke drifting down into their child's lungs? The other day I went to the cash machine and a woman was there smoking,blowing the smoke into her child's face, I went to use the machine after her and she'd spilt fag ash all over the keypad...lovely.

So this is the habit you want to protect? Fair enough-enjoy it while you still have the chance.

Dont you think the Doc was been a stupid T## T Asking did either of you smoke . 4month old babies dont get a cough from passive smoking. Bet the same doc would ask if you smoked if you went in with a cut finger. Babies get coughs and colds all the time until they build up there immune system. Hope your Son is well and fine now.

Steve

[Reg]

Dont you think the Doc was been a stupid T## T Asking did either of you smoke . 4month old babies dont get a cough from passive smoking. Bet the same doc would ask if you smoked if you went in with a cut finger. Babies get coughs and colds all the time until they build up there immune system. Hope your Son is well and fine now.

Steve

Yep I know they do and that's all it was but he asked because some people do make their babies sick by smoking..it can cause asthma and it's the main cause of cot death, apparantly. Anyway he's fine now ta and his lungs are very healthy as he proved at 3am this morning

[Winsford Soul]

Yep I know they do and that's all it was but he asked because some people do make their babies sick by smoking..it can cause asthma and it's the main cause of cot death, apparantly. Anyway he's fine now ta and his lungs are very healthy as he proved at 3am this morning

Glad to hear it Glad my Lads are grown up. No more less nights yet ! till they have there own kids then i will end up babysitting. Not smoking in the same room though.

Steve

[jonbuck]

Glad to hear it Glad my Lads are grown up. No more less nights yet ! till they have there own kids then i will end up babysitting. Not smoking in the same room though. Steve

What i meant to say is this Thread is a Good subject ???? How much better it comes accross when not hidden behind another subject ????

JB

Edited December 7, 2005 by jonbuck

[Winsford Soul]

Good posting this ?

JB

Very Sarcastic I normally say sorry for going slightly off topic but the thread mentioned Kids and smoking. Whats up have you had your backside slapped

Steve

[Guest ShaneH]

Good posting this ?

JB

very good jon. some very good posts but i dont get yours at all??

Shane

[Guest ShaneH]

Very Sarcastic I normally say sorry for going slightly off topic but the thread mentioned Kids and smoking. Whats up have you had your backside slapped

Steve

dont worry about it steve.

Shane

[Winsford Soul]

dont worry about it steve.

Shane

Cheers Shane

Steve

[jonbuck]

Cheers Shane Steve

Yes Point Taken, but it is nice to se a Thread that sticks to the subject in question & not go all off course then know one know's what the Thread is about Sarcastic or not & no matter who starts it.... Back to Smoking @ Venues it really dosen't seem that long ago when you could smoke on Trains & Buses so who knows the No Smoking Venues could be hear sooner rather than later....

JB

Edited December 7, 2005 by jonbuck

[Winnie :-)]

Sorry, I thought this topic related to smoking in venues? Maybe I should have stated that drinking only affects the individual's health of those that choose to drink, smoking is shared by everyone and everything in the vicinity of the smoker whether they like it or not. As I also stated, I have no problem if someone wants to smoke as long as I don't have to.

With regard to the drink driving statement, I totally agree with anyone's views on this subject and those who choose to do this and cause fatalities or are even caught drink driving should be punished appropriately.

As for drunken behaviour in venues, if someone is "misbehaving" through any form of intoxication then they should be reported to the appropriate people in the venue to get the situation sorted.

Also, maybe this topic should be move to freebasing as it has nothing really to do with soul talk!!

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We're talking about venues, and they have nothing to do with soul talk? Can't see why you feel it should be moved to free-basing, it's possible that attendances may be affected, isn't that relevant? Drinking doesn't only affect an individuals health, not if some of the other instances mentioned are brought into play. I agree smoking affects people through secondary means, but if you asked me not to smoke near you, I'd probably say ok. Do you think I'd get the same reply, if I asked a drunk to stop drinking? Very unlikely IMO, more likely to get abuse, don't you think?

Winnie:)

[Guest ShaneH]

Winnie, you are right. this thread is relevant to this partucular forum. this is soul related without a doubt.

freebasing is for discussing your favourite crisps, speeding fines and cures for gout.

Shane

[Guest]

Smoking was banned here recently, and the vast majority, including most smokers, are very positive about it now that it has been in place for a few months. Attendances has actually gone up in many establishments instead of going down. I used to smoke myself a few years back, now I can't stand it. It will hopefully be banned in England too in the near future.

[Soulof]

Attendances has actually gone up in many establishments

Must be in Malm¶ then Christian. Have def not seen that here in G¶teborg ??

[Guest]

Attendances has actually gone up in many establishments

Must be in Malm¶ then Christian. Have def not seen that here in G¶teborg ??

That is what the statistics say. I have not noticed any decline in attendance that can be linked to smoking at our events for instance. What you realise after the ban is that it was not mainly the alcohol that gave you a headache and made you feel like shit for days after a night out, it was the smoke, whether you smoked yourself or not.

[Bjorn Nilsson]

Smoking was banned here recently, and the vast majority, including most smokers, are very positive about it now that it has been in place for a few months. Attendances has actually gone up in many establishments instead of going down. I used to smoke myself a few years back, now I can't stand it. It will hopefully be banned in England too in the near future.

I agree with you Christian. I smoke a lot when I'm out and was abit sceptical about the ban but now I'm all for it. You can even use your clothes more than one night out (if you keep from dancing) and it has also made me smoke a lot less.

I can' tell if attendances in clubs has gone up but I am pretty shure it has'nt gone down either.

[Soulof]

That is what the statistics say. I have not noticed any decline in attendance that can be linked to smoking at our events for instance. What you realise after the ban is that it was not mainly the alcohol that gave you a headache and made you feel like shit for days after a night out, it was the smoke, whether you smoked yourself or not.

* You might be right that more famillys are going out for dinner after the ban and that club goers is prob as many as before but that doesn´t really help the atmospheres at clubs. I def prefered the way it used to be and not this walking circus as it is now. With good indoor airsystems it wasn´t a problem at all. I got some really sexy thermostats to sell if anyone fancy btw

[jonbuck]

mentioned Kids and smoking. Steve

Yes Seeing A Mother or Father or Both Parents Driving their car with Kids in the Back while Smoking There Should be a Law Against This.... as well as No Smoking @ Venues

JB

Edited December 7, 2005 by jonbuck

[Little-stevie]

Good topic this, could go on for a while!

Anyway, drinking only affects the person who drinks, smoking affects everyone and everything, from passive smoking, skin stinking from all the smoke, clothes stinking of smoke etc. etc. I have no problem with someone who wants to smoke as long as I don't have to suffer any of the "side effects"

Bring on the total ban in public places!!!!!!!!!!

Drinking only affects the person who is drinking..Not if they spill it all over the dancefloor or step out of order when they have had too much..I am a weekend smoker only at soul events,i would choose a smoking venue if i had the choice but its the music that counts...If they go no smoking then its no-problem,i aint a big smoker but many i know are and would be in and out of the venue all night..I was in Dublin last year for a soul event and after a while you get used to the no smoking policy and they do have little rooms that you can use..Now what about no beer like it was in the old days would there be any of you lot there