Ebay - Second Chancers

[Anais nin Carms]

What do you think about these second chance offers ? are they a bit of con ?

I placed a bid on a record , and happened to mention the artist on here , then all of a sudden I see i get outbid ... didn't really bother me because it wasn't something I would generally play out . And I have since managed to get the tracks in MP3 format.

Anyway I get the notice that I didn't win it , I was out bid , and then in a very shot space of time I get a second chance offer from the seller . To me it smacks of there was no real other party wanting this record , if there was they didn't get much chance to pay for it ? the second chance offer came a little too quick.

Edited March 5, 2012 by Carms

[Guest smudgesmith]

Perhaps he had multiple copies Carms!

How are you long time no see?

[Dave Fleming]

I`ve had a few second chance offers,allways at the bid i put in and a 12 or 24 hour window to

decide if i want to take the offer or not,the one`s i have taken i`ve never had any problems,

so i guess it`s all down to the buyer if they want the record or not,and like Andy said in most cases

the seller has multiple copies,in one case i had a second offer and after speaking to the seller

i ended up with another 3 copies to sell on as he had multi copies and i got these one`s at a cheaper price,

Dave f..

[paultp]

With my anorak on ......

Most second chance offers from the states come from sellers with multiple copies - if they deal a lot (i.e. a lot of feedback) that's normally the case. Records used to be a dollar a time in shops in the US not that long ago, so when the sell one for 15, 20, 30 whatever they are happy to let the others go at a similar price.

Occasionally I've had one when the winner hasn't paid but I'm always a bit suspicious of those and have a look at the bidding to see if it looks like I've been bid up. This generally only happens with expensive records.

The recent Jimmy Burns second chance offer was almost certainly probably a con!

Cheers

Paul

[boba]

you also get second chance offers from people that shill bid their auctions. You can see the ID of the high bidder. Search the bidder's bids to see what else they bid on and if it was all with that seller. One thing I noticed about shill bidding is that male dealers often use their wives' IDs to shill bid. if you search the high bidder in this case you'll see they bid on crap like dolls and purses and the only records they bid on are the one seller.

If a seller has multiple copies it's usually (but not always) true that all the copies are mint or clean at least.

Edited March 5, 2012 by boba

[Col Wolfe]

shillers love second-chancing it

in a real life auction, if a winning bidder fails to pay, you get offered the #lot at the price at which your final bid was before you went head-to-head with the timewaster i.e. an item is at £10, you bid £12, waster bids £14 and it keeps going up to, say £20 with waster as winning bidder. Waster pulls out. Item is offered to you at £12.

[phillyDaveG]

What's the problem? Someone offers you a record you want for a given price, giving you have the choice to say yes or no. Sounds like a win win to me

[Guest]

its ok by me...just got a mint copy of bessie banks via a second offer and 37 pounds cheaper than the other copy that ended a day earlier

moldie

[TOAD]

had a fake mexican bidder pulled out (obviously) so i won it :-)

[Col Wolfe]

What's the problem? Someone offers you a record you want for a given price, giving you have the choice to say yes or no. Sounds like a win win to me

well, yes, it is a chance to get something at the maximum price you bid for

but that price would be a lot lower if the shill bidder hadn't put in a bid

[boba]

What's the problem? Someone offers you a record you want for a given price, giving you have the choice to say yes or no. Sounds like a win win to me

I agree at some level and have taken second chance offers when I know I've been shill bid but at the same time it paints the dealer as shady and makes me reluctant about other things like the grading of the records.

NOT that most second chance offers are from shill bidding. Lots of buyers really do flake out. It feels bad though when you've been super high and they have the only other super high bid and the rest of the bidders are very low. If you know your "true max" it's actually a little more than you want to pay, so if someone outbids you by a penny you're like "I didn't want to pay that much anyways" and not "I would have paid that extra penny." So in the case where you're shill bid to your max, it really is a little more than you wanted to pay.

[MrsWoodsrules]

I agree at some level and have taken second chance offers when I know I've been shill bid but at the same time it paints the dealer as shady and makes me reluctant about other things like the grading of the records.

NOT that most second chance offers are from shill bidding. Lots of buyers really do flake out. It feels bad though when you've been super high and they have the only other super high bid and the rest of the bidders are very low. If you know your "true max" it's actually a little more than you want to pay, so if someone outbids you by a penny you're like "I didn't want to pay that much anyways" and not "I would have paid that extra penny." So in the case where you're shill bid to your max, it really is a little more than you wanted to pay.

Although sometimes (well once) it worked the other way for me, I set my max bid far too low when i knew there was a bargain to be had the seller listed the b side & didn't have 'northern soul' in the listing & I lost out on a Chandlers on col soul for the sake of a dollar (although I know the winner could have been a dealer dragging me into a bidding war), but it went for way less than $200, great condition too a vg one went for $400 tonight.

Aid