Mike Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 talk in other thread about million seller gave me a saturday thread idea thread about northern related tracks that have some relation (the stronger the better) to a well known mainstream chart 45 that sold a million ? eg my first thoughts would be major harris -after lovin you the flip of love wont let me wait wikip grab... Love Won't Let Me Wait" is a 1975 single by Major Harris, a former member of R&B/soul group The Delfonics. Written by Vinnie Barrett and Bobby Eli, the single is considered to be a staple of classic soul playlists and was Harris' only entry into the top five on both the soul and pop charts. The single hit number five on the pop chart, giving Harris a Gold record and also hit number one on the soul chart for one week.[1] The Single version is over Three minutes and Forty Six Seconds long, while the album version is over Five minutes and Forty Six Seconds long. The song features the sounds of a woman sobbing, especially during the instrumental portions as well as the long repeated Coda. and here's the flip after loving you any one care to add to the list ..... ?
Pete S Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 A record they always played in Mr. M's was "Something keeps calling me back" by Wayne Fontana - it's A side "Pamela Pamela" reached number 11 in the charts. Probably didn't sell a million but was a huge hit.
Cheltsoulnights Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 human Beinz nobody but me? big hit and also featured in Kill Bill?
Sjclement Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 https://youtu.be/aWFXXI8T7T4 Don't know how relevant this but I've always liked it Flip to Stone in love with you
Guest jerrio Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 SOFT CELL TAINTED LOVE AND WHAT, SIMPLY RED,IF YOU DONT KNOW ME BY NOW DAWN PENN, YOU DONT LOVE ME.
Mike Lofthouse Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 'You're The Best In The World' - Flip of Johnnie Taylor's "Disco Lady" which was the first certified platinum single (two million copies sold) 2
Mike Posted March 3, 2012 Author Posted March 3, 2012 band of gold? human Beinz nobody but me? big hit and also featured in Kill Bill? SOFT CELL TAINTED LOVE AND WHAT, SIMPLY RED,IF YOU DONT KNOW ME BY NOW DAWN PENN, YOU DONT LOVE ME. was thinking more along the lines of flips or other connections to the million sellers rather than the actual million sellers themselve sort of inverse to rarest of the rare if get me
Sjclement Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Bobby Hebb Love, Love,Love. was the B side of Sunny UK only I think
Guest allnightandy Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) . Edited March 3, 2012 by allnightandy
boba Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 I don't understand. Are you asking about northern tracks that are the flip of big hits? Or are you asking about 45s where the b-side is like an answer record to the a-side?
Mike Posted March 3, 2012 Author Posted March 3, 2012 was thinking more along the lines of flips or other connections to the million sellers rather than the actual million sellers themselve sort of inverse to rarest of the rare if get me This must be close ! AND EVERYTHING MOTOWN RELATED ! dont think you "get it" andy idea being a thread that may (or may not) come out with some odd bits of "interesting" trivia etc wasnt really going for a thread full of well known classics chart clips
Pete S Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Bobby Hebb Love, Love,Love. was the B side of Sunny UK only I think Only on a later reissue
boba Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 I don't understand. Are you asking about northern tracks that are the flip of big hits? Or are you asking about 45s where the b-side is like an answer record to the a-side? OK, I think you mean the first one. This is actually easier to know when collecting in the states because there are some records you always find because the a-side was a hit. For example, Soul Brothers Six "some kind of wonderful" has "I'll be loving you" on the flip. Not a massive hit but the Exits "under the streetlamp" charted on the R&B charts and it initially became valuable recently when people started playing the flip.
Guest allnightandy Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) . Edited March 3, 2012 by allnightandy
Citizen P Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 dont think you "get it" andy idea being a thread that may (or may not) come out with some odd bits of "interesting" trivia etc wasnt really going for a thread full of well known classics chart clips But the B side He who picks a Rose-- still the best version Tony
Goldsoul Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Bobby Hebb Love, Love,Love.    was the B side of Sunny UK only I think On the reissue maybe, but the original has A SATISFIED MIND as the A Side
Goldsoul Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 was thinking more along the lines of flips or other connections to the million sellers rather than the actual million sellers themselve sort of inverse to rarest of the rare if get me Dawn Penn......Northern Soul connection...WHEN?
Pete S Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) Dawn Penn......Northern Soul connection...WHEN You Don't Love Me is a cover of Jerry Ganey on MGM Edited March 3, 2012 by Pete S
Soulman Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Really wish I could get my photographic memory working but its all out of film at the mo.... John Anderson at Soul Bowl had countless 45 Gold Discs hanging around (or just stuffed way) and I can't for the life of me remember what they were, needless to say they all related to massive sellers. Actually there was a Mel & Tim track (presume Backfield In Motion) and £Cowboys To Girls" but thats all I can remember at the moment. Jimmy Mack "My World Is On Fire" (Palmer) hit the high end R&B charts in the States. Don't know how many it sold but it must have been a fair few to do that. Best Steve
Goldsoul Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) Really wish I could get my photographic memory working but its all out of film at the mo.... John Anderson at Soul Bowl had countless 45 Gold Discs hanging around (or just stuffed way) and I can't for the life of me remember what they were, needless to say they all related to massive sellers. Actually there was a Mel & Tim track (presume Backfield In Motion) and £Cowboys To Girls" but thats all I can remember at the moment. Jimmy Mack "My World Is On Fire" (Palmer) hit the high end R&B charts in the States. Don't know how many it sold but it must have been a fair few to do that. Best Steve- Disagree strongly. Jimmy Mack sold hardly any. When did it 'hit the high end of the R&B chart? Former label manager Joey Welz told me it sold zilch. Edited March 3, 2012 by The Golden 101
Goldsoul Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Dawn Penn......Northern Soul connection...WHEN You Don't Love Me is a cover of Jerry Ganey on MGM Yeah, I now see it was. Dreadful by Jerry Gainey(IMHO) better by Dawn Penn
Pete Eccles Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) Wasn't 'Harlem' (that was getting some plays a few years back, though I'm not sure why) the flip of a Bill Withers big hit? 'Ain't no sunshine' maybe? Memory's shot at Edited March 3, 2012 by Pete60
AlanB Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 It's a pity it's now a forgotten oldie, but Damita Jo's "I'll Save The Last Dance For You" on Ranwood (answer to the Drifters' massive hit "Save The Last Dance For Me") would have been a good candidate for this thread. Alan.
Soulman Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Heard differently Kev but bow to your superior knowledge if Joey said that. Seems strange though that it should do "so well" by selling nothing. Best Steve
The Yank Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 How about "You Got The Love I Need " by the Undisputed Truth - flip side of "Smiling Faces". ps- Does anyone know why this line is running through everything I type ?? 1
Pete Eccles Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 How about "You Got The Love I Need " by the Undisputed Truth - flip side of "Smiling Faces". ps- Does anyone know why this line is running through everything I type ?? no
Soulman Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) Steve- It didn't do or sell well. Trust me! Kev, I do trust you. Not arguing Like I said originally, I don't know how many it originally sold Steve Edited March 3, 2012 by soulman
paultp Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Isn't there a really good flip side to "Never Can Say Goodbye" that has been played - not sure if its the UK or US (or both)? Maybe I dreamt it
Pete Eccles Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Figured it out ! Sorry for being no help, I saw your first post and instantly thought it was something you had purposely crossed out, for whatever reason, couldn't help but laugh on reading the 2nd line 1
The Yank Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Not sure if this was a million seller but "He's All I Got" is the flip to "Love Is Like An Itching In My Heart" which hit the Top 10 Pop charts in the U.S.
Sutty Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) Isn't there a really good flip side to "Never Can Say Goodbye" that has been played - not sure if its the UK or US (or both)? Maybe I dreamt it Yup, Gloria Gaynor 'we just can't make it' is a fabulous 70's dancer. I don't know where the 'other thread' is on this, but darrell banks 'open the door to your heart' c/w 'our love is in the pocket' sold a million didn't it? Cheers Sutty Edited March 3, 2012 by Sutty
Chalky Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Yup, Gloria Gaynor 'we just can't make it' is a fabulous 70's dancer. I don't know where the 'other thread' is on this, but darrell banks 'open the door to your heart' c/w 'our love is in the pocket' sold a million didn't it? Cheers Sutty It did Sutty. This is from the Michigan Chronicle about his death (from Soulful Detroit) "A bullet fired by an off-duty policeman ended the life of singer Darrell Banks, who made history among his peers in the entertainment field several years ago when scoring a million seller hit with "Open the door".
Pete S Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Heard differently Kev but bow to your superior knowledge if Joey said that. Seems strange though that it should do "so well" by selling nothing. Best Steve Kev's right Steve, it sold bugger all
Soulman Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Kev's right Steve, it sold bugger all Already agreed with what Kev said Pete, just that you get these rumours etc. The reason I said that is that I'm sure when I got my first copy, John Anderson had said that he had spoken to (presumably) Joe Welz and that it was pressed in much more of a multiple run than normal. Maybe I have that totally wrong and I'm willing to be corrected as always. Not taking away from what everyone has said, the fact that there is evidence (which I dont have to hand) that it hit the high end of the R&B chart, does this mean that whatever was at number one sold 1000 copies and Jimmy Mack in all his glory singing about his world being a bit high on the celcius scale sold maybe 300 copies, possibly giving him a number 7 spot on the chart. Was it really that cut-throat back then numbers wise. I don't know so I'm willing to throw the forum open and be shot down in flames. Humbly yours Steve
Pete S Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Already agreed with what Kev said Pete, just that you get these rumours etc. The reason I said that is that I'm sure when I got my first copy, John Anderson had said that he had spoken to (presumably) Joe Welz and that it was pressed in much more of a multiple run than normal. Maybe I have that totally wrong and I'm willing to be corrected as always. Not taking away from what everyone has said, the fact that there is evidence (which I dont have to hand) that it hit the high end of the R&B chart, does this mean that whatever was at number one sold 1000 copies and Jimmy Mack in all his glory singing about his world being a bit high on the celcius scale sold maybe 300 copies, possibly giving him a number 7 spot on the chart. Was it really that cut-throat back then numbers wise. I don't know so I'm willing to throw the forum open and be shot down in flames. Humbly yours Steve Steve I hadn't got down as far as your reply when I replied. The top R&B records would have sold like 50,000 copies I would have thought. Maybe more.
Bo Diddley Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) Porgy & Monarchs - My Heart Cries for You - Musicor. Interesting infor on Wiki... https://en.wikipedia....t_Cries_for_You Also, the Guy Mitchell record did sell a Million. If you love Porgy, you may not want to listen to this!!! Edited March 3, 2012 by bo diddley
Soulman Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Steve I hadn't got down as far as your reply when I replied. The top R&B records would have sold like 50,000 copies I would have thought. Maybe more. On that basis Pete, if it was mid range on the chart and sold 20,000 copies as an example, why the rareity ( and maybe that explains the multiple run in pressing). Not disagreeing with Kev at all in what he says but at what point do you say it sold bugger all. 10 copies, 100 copies, 1000copies or Gold disc standard? Steve
Pete S Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 On that basis Pete, if it was mid range on the chart and sold 20,000 copies as an example, why the rareity ( and maybe that explains the multiple run in pressing). Not disagreeing with Kev at all in what he says but at what point do you say it sold bugger all. 10 copies, 100 copies, 1000copies or Gold disc standard? Steve No, I"m saying that the info was wrong in the first place, the record was a mile away from the R&B charts and probably sold maybe 300 locally in Detroit only.
Guest jerrio Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Dawn Penn you dont love me - Billy Gibson on MGM. But not to worry Mike has already said I hadnt understood the thread lol
Guest jerrio Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Dawn Penn you dont love me - Billy Gibson on MGM. But not to worry Mike has already said I hadnt understood the thread lol Jerry Gainey not Billy Gibson,cheers Pete.
boba Posted March 4, 2012 Posted March 4, 2012 Jimmy Mack "My World Is On Fire" (Palmer) hit the high end R&B charts in the States. Don't know how many it sold but it must have been a fair few to do that. I think you're mistaken about this. Maybe it was at the bottom of a detroit radio station chart or something.
Soulman Posted March 4, 2012 Posted March 4, 2012 Hi Bob & Pete, Not going to drag this out, I accept all you say but somewhere I have a chart where it is listed in the top 20 R&B singles. Without being able to check I cant say whether its an official sales chart or a radio chart. On that basis I'll back down and accept what you say. Thanks for your replies Steve
boba Posted March 4, 2012 Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) Hi Bob & Pete, Not going to drag this out, I accept all you say but somewhere I have a chart where it is listed in the top 20 R&B singles. Without being able to check I cant say whether its an official sales chart or a radio chart. On that basis I'll back down and accept what you say. Thanks for your replies Steve I just checked and it's not in the joel whitburn billboard R&B book. the book basically lists any record that ever charted in the billboard r&b charts (e.g. even if it only got to 90). There are some other charts (like Cashbox) but I think if you saw it at 20 on a chart it was most likely a local detroit weekly radio station chart. Thanks. Edited March 4, 2012 by boba
Mike Posted March 4, 2012 Author Posted March 4, 2012 interesting it (world is on fire) shows in 13 May 1967 billboard as a prediction to hit the top pop 100
boba Posted March 4, 2012 Posted March 4, 2012 interesting it (world is on fire) shows in 13 May 1967 billboard as a prediction to hit the top pop 100 yeah, lots of times the pop charts are more of an indication of hit status than the r&b charts, even for r&b tracks. however, if it was just in a "prediction" section i'm guessing that either a) companies paid for a mention in that column or b) the prediction was written by one person who got the 45 and liked it and thought it could be a hit, and not based on actual play. either way, the record is pretty rare and unlikely to show up outside of detroit.
Mike Posted March 4, 2012 Author Posted March 4, 2012 yep here's a link/post that adds a different slant to it and may explain why it wasn't more of a success https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.php?app=forums&module=forums§ion=findpost&pid=549027 if they dropped cecil w from radio due to riots then maybe did the same ?
Sebastian Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 interesting it (world is on fire) shows in 13 May 1967 billboard as a prediction to hit the top pop 100 Indeed: Obviously didn't reach the chart though.
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